Pussy Riot Protest Video Over Alexei Navalny sentencing

a reply to: Aleister

Maybe I'm the only one who has a problem with Pussy Riot. I've watched the documentary and followed things a bit and to me, they lost all credibility as artists and activists when they tried to talk their way out of sentencing by saying it was all a joke and for entertainment and "Pleaseeee don't send me away".

Look, Putin sucks...Russia is oppressive...that is apparent to anybody with eyes and ears and a brain. My problem with Pussy Riot specifically is that they knowingly break laws and talk the talk, but when it's time to pay the piper they cower and want people to come and save them because they are just cute young girls and it's all just punk music. Don't Martyr yourselves and then expect Mom and Dad to come save you.

Maybe it's just because I'm not 25 anymore and I own a home and work, but people who are 25 typically haven't lived enough life to offer much of an opinion on anything...at least not one that goes beyond a snap emotional judgement and attaching it to some idea they heard somewhere and pretending like they understand it and mean it.

Sorry Pussy Riot, unless you were willing to pull a MLK or a Mandela your credibility is zero in my book. As oppressive as the laws in Russia are, you broke them knowingly and then cried your way out of things like children. Social change happens when people put causes ABOVE themselves...you aren't there yet and your music is actually REALLY REALLY bad.

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

That was as usually a quick deflecting the points made by the author and he included other sources within his own article but i guess you didn't take the time to read it.

I still await your evidence that NGOs are behind Pussy Riot.

During the attention when the MSM gave the attention to these punkers they were waving a flag simiarl to the Serbian otpor movement and that really says alot about whose funding them.

Oh I read it. And I saw where you and he make the same connection between a serbian protest logo and PR's logo. They do look a little similar. Trouble is, people have used the "Single fist in the air" as a symbol of protest for quite some time so that proves only that the symbol of a fist in the air is used by lots of different groups. If that's all it takes for you to think there's a connection to NGOs and Pussy Riot, you're reaching for a conclusion. If NGOs are behind Pussy Riot, where's the money trail? Where's the communication between them and NGOs? Surely there would be SOME evidence. No? Just a picture of a fist in the air? Okay.

a reply to: Aleister
Here you go you wanted sources.

Pussy Riot connections to Soros
Nothing like supporting the Soros right?

Source

Were you actually having sex, or just pretending? It was the full deal. We wanted to liken the physical act of love with porno­graphy and the way democracy compares to the imitation of democracy in Russia.

Nothing like doing sex in order to spread democracy right

I was a bit of a hooligan growing up in Russia—very into girls and brawls. My parents sent me to live with my relatives in Toronto to cool me down.

a reply to: Nowyouseeme

If I recall from the documentary (please correct me if I'm wrong) only one semi-apologized and received a reduced sentence, while two of them didn't and accepted their full sentence.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You seem to still not get it yet. The meaning of that logo.

They do look a little similar. Trouble is, people have used the "Single fist in the air" as a symbol of protest for quite some time so that proves only that the symbol of a fist in the air is used by lots of different groups.

Quite wrong, the symbol first had appeared during the Serbian protests which then that logo has being resigned and reused even during the Libyan protest and Egyptian, Syria.

The logo shows whom supports them.

If NGOs are behind Pussy Riot, where's the money trail? Where's the communication between them and NGOs? Surely there would be SOME evidence. No? Just a picture of a fist in the air? Okay.

The money trails starts with Soros and few others, and since the punkers had a nice bonus with hillary well that says it all really.

Remember Occupy protest? that didn't last long yet Soros had money to support the protests,

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

The fact these little ladies are being supported by Hillary and the American Government that says alot and the way some here defended them its just comical.

You keep making this claim but have yet to provide any evidence to support it. Is this simply your own supposition or is there any actual data to support this? Is so, please post it. Otherwise, tell us it is only your assertion so we know.

Oh you mean the same how there is no evidence that America's wanted to start a protest in Cuba using rap to then?

NGO Lies, US Government Ties, and Pu**y Riot: Who Are the Real Monsters?

Are you going to claim that the protests are genie?

As long as it is in AmeriKKKan interest, anything goes. Sorry for the "KKK" spelling, but I am getting fed up with the hypocrisy of the uSSa. The moment someone decides not to play ball with them they are vilified to no end. And I agree with you. Pussy Riot is detested by most Russians no matter where they reside. But welcome to 2015 where things with heat up a bit more than last year.

a reply to: Nowyouseeme

At least your making sense thank you.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Nah, a single fist in the air was used way back in the 1960s, most memorably at the 1968 Olympics by two Afro-American track medal winners.

a reply to: Aleister

I would say thats an deflection.

most memorably at the 1968 Olympics by two Afro-American track medal winners.

I am sure it was.

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You seem to still not get it yet. The meaning of that logo.

They do look a little similar. Trouble is, people have used the "Single fist in the air" as a symbol of protest for quite some time so that proves only that the symbol of a fist in the air is used by lots of different groups.

Quite wrong, the symbol first had appeared during the Serbian protests which then that logo has being resigned and reused even during the Libyan protest and Egyptian, Syria.

The logo shows whom supports them.

If NGOs are behind Pussy Riot, where's the money trail? Where's the communication between them and NGOs? Surely there would be SOME evidence. No? Just a picture of a fist in the air? Okay.

The money trails starts with Soros and few others, and since the punkers had a nice bonus with hillary well that says it all really.

Remember Occupy protest? that didn't last long yet Soros had money to support the protests,

According to your source above, they state the following:

Specifically GOLOS, which in turn funds numerous organisations within Russia including Pussy Riot. In my article Russian Spring cancelled NYET to NGO’s I examined new legislation that Russia has just introduced to curb the influence of foreign NGO’s in Russia.

That's all well and good, but they didn't provide any links or sources to prove a connection between PR and GOLOS.

And Hilary having a photo op with PR only proves that Hilary is willing to take any publicity boost she can get, and nothing more.

Still not seeing any imperical evidence, aside from "The logos are similar! It MUST be an NGO!" Which is nothing but hearsay and speculation.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

No, not a deflection. You said it's a recent symbol, and it isn't. Just the facts, ma'am. I remember a cover of a college newspaper from that same era with a full-page picture of a Santa Claus statue with his arm and black-gloved fist raised.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

No. It's fact:

The 1968 Olympics Black Power salute was an act of protest by the African-American athletes Tommie Smith and John Carlos during their medal ceremony at the 1968 Summer Olympics in the Olympic Stadium in Mexico City.

en.wikipedia.org...

Video is not really that provocative. Not compared to the average American Music Video.

P Riot are strong women who speak out for what they believe in, even under the threat of Russian Prison sentences. How many of you would be brave enough to voice your opinions if you had that hanging over your head?

Kudos to Clinton for posing with them and praising them. If you are a believer in the right to free speech and freedom in general then you should support p riot. If you do not support them, then it's pretty telling that you don't support free speech. You may find it offensive or the way they deliver their messages inappropriate but you should defend their right to do it and you should look in the mirror. most of us would not dare to speak out against Putin if we lived in Russia.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Hell Pussy Riot aren't even the first punk band to use the raised fist as their logo.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

NGO Lies, US Government Ties, and Pu**y Riot: Who Are the Real Monsters?

Great source you have there...

The daily news and opinion site LewRockwell.com was founded in 1999 by anarcho-capitalists Lew Rockwell

www.lewrockwell.com...

Anarcho-capitalism...

A term coined by Austrian-school economist Murray Rothbard to describe a market-based society with no government. Instead of government, all goods and services would be provided by private businesses. Politics and taxes would not exist in an anarcho-capitalist society, nor would services like public education, police protection and law enforcement that are normally provided by government agencies.

www.investopedia.com...

Surely you can do better than that?

a reply to: intrepid

Sure it is. Thats why the NGOs decided to use it in both Serbian and Arab Spring protests through a redesigned process of the same fist logo.

And what was the result of the Arab Spring? a chaotic mess.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Attacking the source thats what you did which is rather ironic.

Great source you have there...

Apparently to you FOX News, CNN, Westren News outlets and kiev post are the only sources you would rather trust.

Surely you can do better than that?

Why would i even bother? your probably going to either deflect or attack the source as you just did, unless you find worthy to your agenda that is.


This place sadly reminds me of when i was on the Gurdian forum section during the Syrian protests to, you are an shill for Assad if you dare to speak out agaisnt the rebels.

The users whom were supporting the rebels would only trust sources that were western or Saudi just as i seen here on the Ukrankian matter you already you decided on the side even if i or anyone else do post source you will probably just attack it as always.

a reply to: Nowyouseeme

they lost all credibility as artists and activists when they tried to talk their way out of sentencing by saying it was all a joke and for entertainment and "Pleaseeee don't send me away".

Do you know much about female prisons in RUssia, because I see why they tried to keep from going.

The inmates were all housed in two big army-style barracks - there were anywhere between 50 and 100 people in each one.

The barracks were built in the Soviet times - I guess in the 1920s.

All you've got inside are rows of bunkbeds, a night stand and a stool.

There is also a toilet but you cannot use it as there is no central sewage system. We used to go outside to the so-called 'hole', sometimes when it was -20C in the winter.

In general, the climate in that remote swampy place surrounded by forest was just awful - cold winters and midges in the summer. In addition, there was a nuclear facility about 70km [44 miles] away from our camps.

www.bbc.com...

a reply to: amazing

Kudos to Clinton for posing with them and praising them. If you are a believer in the right to free speech and freedom

Indeed Kudos to Clinton the same Clinton keeps lying.

P Riot are strong women who speak out for what they believe in, even under the threat of Russian Prison sentences. How many of you would be brave enough to voice your opinions if you had that hanging over your head?

The majority of Americans dont even support these women anymore for a reason and strong women? thats rather comical.


. If you are a believer in the right to free speech and freedom in general then you should support p riot. If you do not support them

This is hilarious, so now if i want to support and if i an a believer in the right to free speech and freedom in general then you should support p riot?

This is why i cant take you seriously.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Oh yes the BBC very reablie. You might as well just post a source from al jazeera while your at it.