Scotland's Lucky Escape

So with the current price of oil below $50 a barrel i would suggest Scotland and the UK have had a lucky escape. What state would the country be in and what would our option's have been. The timing of the drop in Oil would have been catastrophic for us and of course in Politics timing is everything. We most likely would have to have run to the EU begging for aid. Maybe received one of their blessed bail out's like Greece (Look how well their doing). We would have been stuck with the wonderful Euro just like the Republic of Ireland (Look how well their doing).

I have no doubt that we were meant to be Independent at this point (Why else would NWO shill Murdoch back Salmond). The Union would have been shattered and the rest of Britain, being similarly weakened, would also have had to run to the EU for a helping hand. Cameron and friends were late to come up to Scotland to convince voters to stay in the Union. They had to be seen to be supporting the Union but in reality we know Cameron and friend's are EU supporters. They tried to leave us wide open to an Independence vote via their apathy. But they failed.

We were being played and have won this round. No doubt another round is coming. Supporting the Union, to me, means sticking by my fellow friends around the UK. It's us against the Government, splitting us apart would have weakened us beyond measure. I can't stand the UK Parliament as much as anyone but being divided and running to the EU is not the way for us to go. Like someone once said "If you see a burning building you don't run into it"

As i said, we have had a lucky escape but we need to stay vigilant and prepare for the next attack. The break up of the Union is the EU's wet dream and a disaster for the people of the UK. Take care folk's.

And why would we have needed to go running to the EU for a bail out. any Oil revenue was Bonus Money. We can and could have survived just like any other country without it. unless of course you, like everyone else believes that Scotland doesn't pay taxes like every other part of the UK.

With cost per barrel bellow $50 is Westminster running to the EU for a Bail out. ??

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
So with the current price of oil below $50 a barrel i would suggest Scotland and the UK have had a lucky escape. What state would the country be in and what would our option's have been. The timing of the drop in Oil would have been catastrophic for us and of course in Politics timing is everything. We most likely would have to have run to the EU begging for aid. Maybe received one of their blessed bail out's like Greece (Look how well their doing). We would have been stuck with the wonderful Euro just like the Republic of Ireland (Look how well their doing).

I have no doubt that we were meant to be Independent at this point (Why else would NWO shill Murdoch back Salmond). The Union would have been shattered and the rest of Britain, being similarly weakened, would also have had to run to the EU for a helping hand. Cameron and friends were late to come up to Scotland to convince voters to stay in the Union. They had to be seen to be supporting the Union but in reality we know Cameron and friend's are EU supporters. They tried to leave us wide open to an Independence vote via their apathy. But they failed.

We were being played and have won this round. No doubt another round is coming. Supporting the Union, to me, means sticking by my fellow friends around the UK. It's us against the Government, splitting us apart would have weakened us beyond measure. I can't stand the UK Parliament as much as anyone but being divided and running to the EU is not the way for us to go. Like someone once said "If you see a burning building you don't run into it"

As i said, we have had a lucky escape but we need to stay vigilant and prepare for the next attack. The break up of the Union is the EU's wet dream and a disaster for the people of the UK. Take care folk's.

Please explain to me why people such as yourself feel Scotland is such a weak nation full of losers that they cannot survive on their own despite the success of near-identical population Finland (who have significantly less natural resources).

Ultimately I am split on the outcome because while I know confidently that Scotland would survive and flourish on it's own, unfortunately the foolishly over-socialist leanings of about 60% of the population could betray them disastrously in future immigration and foreign policy.

Being part of the UK, they are now forced to follow along with England in what is becoming a rapid return to conservative ideology.

From what I have seen in the news about Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal, plus southern Ireland, the further away from the Euro the UK is, the better, from news reports, the UK is the only EU country not sinking.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

When you plan to run the country through Oil revenue then it is not bonus money, that's just absurd. Westminster doesn't need to run to the EU because the UK is still together. Split the UK up and you have completely different scenarios.

a reply to: DrunkYogi

I don't see you as having won a lucky escape as you are still subject to the queen and the london parliament - despite a number os Scottish MPs' sitting in london, as well as a scottih one.

Do you honestly think that scotland's wealth is based just on oil, just like the saudis? The Scottish people - and it pains me as an englishman to say this, but being honest, scottish people are among or have fathered some of the cleverest and innovative people in the world. So your security in my eyes is from the scottish people and not the dark smelly stuff from the north sea that will inevitably run out.

Being in the UK, although its power is dwindling thank heavens, means that unfortunately we are allied with some of the most gung-ho and dangerous countries in the world. Our manipulation and virtual destruction of other countrys' is a disgrace and the misery caused to these country's peoples, the contamination of their land, the sly stealing of their resources is something sad, yet you see the british people raise money after money to help others abroad, but it doesn't recompense for our government's actions and the steady flow of wealth into the hands of our elite.

I had hoped that were we to have lost Scotland, our size and lack of scottish revenue - I bet queen danced the jig when she found out her purse was not to be minus the scots dollop of dosh and castles, would have meant the emphasis of our parliament might have turned at least some way towards looking at what's needed for this country's worn our infrastructure and the replacement of our services we are steadily being sgtripped of, not the raping of the world at large for the elite few residing here.

There are so many people out there now ,who hate britain and its duplicity and for belonging and helping other greedy country's we are fast approaching a time when we are not safe on our own streets any more.

Youy are also tied to the deficit for the UK, which we hear is worse from foreign media's than our own and cam and ossborne mouths. Are you sure you are really better off?

a reply to: 8675309jenny

Were did i say Scotland was a weak nation full of loser's? Don't put words in my mouth, that's my job. Salmond wanted the country to run on Oil revenue and it has bombed. What was his back up plan? Were would we be now? What would our option's have been?

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: Soloprotocol

When you plan to run the country through Oil revenue then it is not bonus money, that's just absurd. Westminster doesn't need to run to the EU because the UK is still together. Split the UK up and you have completely different scenarios.

Perhaps someone should share with you that Scots are some of the most clever, resourceful people to walk the earth.

Do you enjoy using the items such as these: ??

Telephone: Alexander Graham Bell (without which the internet woulnd't exist)
Television:John Logie Baird(without which computers wouldn't exist)
Structural steel and the blast furnace: Multiple inventors (without which nearly ever facet of the modern would would not exist)
Steam engine: James Watt (without which the industrial revolution would've never occurred)
The BBC: John Reith (without which the UK politicians wouldn't have been able to scare Scots into voting NO)

And about oh, 500 other inventions that have completely reshaped the modern world ?

a reply to: Shiloh7

Like i said, the UK is not great at the moment but being Independent at this time would have been disastrous. If the World economy was in good working order then of course it is possible that Scotland could go it alone. But it's not, most industries are in trouble with an uncertain future. This allied with the crash in Oil price's would have made Scotland vulnerable to the wolves. Salmond must have known this being such a clever chap. Just what was his back up plan? What were his plan's relating a slump in Oil revenue? Did he even consider it? If not, why not? So many question's with no apparent answers don't you think?

a reply to: DrunkYogi

My understanding was if indeed Scotland departed the United Kingdom she would no longer have been part of the European Union and would have to applied for membership like any other nation, hence no aid would have been forthcoming any time soon. The chance for our independence most lightly will never come again in our lifetime given the percentages, it was simply to close a call. Personally i think many of my fellow Scots simply crapped there breeks over the thought of attaining freedom. Not a trait i ever associated with my fellow Scotsmen, end of the day its our children i feel sorry for, we simply did not have enough conviction or courage to see the job done.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

I don't need to be told about the Scots considering i am one.

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: 8675309jenny

Were did i say Scotland was a weak nation full of loser's? Don't put words in my mouth, that's my job. Salmond wanted the country to run on Oil revenue and it has bombed. What was his back up plan? Were would we be now? What would our option's have been?

See, this is what kills me about modern Scots actually living in Scotland. So many of you have zero confidence in your fellow man and the ability of your nation to survive. You have been brow-beaten and depricated into believing you are weak and can't survive without big mommy the Queen, while Westminster siphons off more money per head from Scotland than anywhere else in the UK.

Would it surprise you to learn that every ex-pat Scot I know believes the exact opposite ?

It's surprising how much you learn about your own nation when you get the chance to see it from the outside and not get caught up in the fear-mongering.

Scots like my great-grandparents had balls and confidence. They believed in themselves and their own abilities enough to strike out and find success, knowing they would live or die by their own making. Well great skill, confidence and knowledge led them to great success in the machine industry in Philadelphia (land of another great Scottish success story; Andrew Carnegie)

a reply to: andy06shake

The way i see it is that more people had common sense than not. It had nothing to do with fear, all of that Braveheart propaganda garbage. Where would we be right now with the Oil price bombing. That's what i want to know. You should be thankful that most of the population never fell for the Utopia, Brigadoon scenario because this is the real World and we would have been stuck right in it.

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: 8675309jenny

I don't need to be told about the Scots considering i am one.

Perhaps, but you do need to learn some damn Patriotism and faith in your own people!! The Scottish are so much stronger than even they realize. Their strength is not in oil, it is their minds. The incredible success of Scots before the age of hyper-liberalism, and the continued success of so many once they emigrate show this to be true.

Have some belief in yourself! When I lived in Scotland (Fife) that was one thin that really struck me; how such a well-achieved people can be so self-depricating.

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: andy06shake

The way i see it is that more people had common sense than not. It had nothing to do with fear, all of that Braveheart propaganda garbage. Where would we be right now with the Oil price bombing. That's what i want to know. You should be thankful that most of the population never fell for the Utopia, Brigadoon scenario because this is the real World and we would have been stuck right in it.

Listen to yourself. Oh where would we be?, where would we beee??


Man up dude.

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: Soloprotocol

When you plan to run the country through Oil revenue then it is not bonus money, that's just absurd. Westminster doesn't need to run to the EU because the UK is still together. Split the UK up and you have completely different scenarios.

And who planned on running a Country on Oil alone...Not the SNP.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

So where would we be right now? I don't care about propaganda speeches from either Politicians or from the Queen and her ilk. I don't need anyone to tell me how to think. I decide on my point of view via observation and the way i see it right now is that Scotland would be in deep trouble. Take away all the propaganda, all the bluster, all the prejudices, all the personalities and that is a fact.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: DrunkYogi

I don't see you as having won a lucky escape as you are still subject to the queen and the london parliament - despite a number os Scottish MPs' sitting in london, as well as a scottih one.

Do you honestly think that scotland's wealth is based just on oil, just like the saudis? The Scottish people - and it pains me as an englishman to say this, but being honest, scottish people are among or have fathered some of the cleverest and innovative people in the world. So your security in my eyes is from the scottish people and not the dark smelly stuff from the north sea that will inevitably run out.

Being in the UK, although its power is dwindling thank heavens, means that unfortunately we are allied with some of the most gung-ho and dangerous countries in the world. Our manipulation and virtual destruction of other countrys' is a disgrace and the misery caused to these country's peoples, the contamination of their land, the sly stealing of their resources is something sad, yet you see the british people raise money after money to help others abroad, but it doesn't recompense for our government's actions and the steady flow of wealth into the hands of our elite.

I had hoped that were we to have lost Scotland, our size and lack of scottish revenue - I bet queen danced the jig when she found out her purse was not to be minus the scots dollop of dosh and castles, would have meant the emphasis of our parliament might have turned at least some way towards looking at what's needed for this country's worn our infrastructure and the replacement of our services we are steadily being sgtripped of, not the raping of the world at large for the elite few residing here.

There are so many people out there now ,who hate britain and its duplicity and for belonging and helping other greedy country's we are fast approaching a time when we are not safe on our own streets any more.

Youy are also tied to the deficit for the UK, which we hear is worse from foreign media's than our own and cam and ossborne mouths. Are you sure you are really better off?

Well spoken and honest!!

I too had hoped the loss of Scotland would temper the UK's foreign policy, and give them pause before blindly going along with the US time after time.

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: 8675309jenny

Salmond wanted the country to run on Oil revenue and it has bombed. What was his back up plan??

No He didn't.

a reply to: DrunkYogi

Brave-heart propaganda or mentality had little to do with the referendum. Most Scots are not that dim witted and recognise with ease Hollywood's penmanship and artistic licence from a distance. Fear was the deciding factor regarding the referendum and i am well aware that this is the real world, and guess what? We are still all stuck right in it!