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Know how Freemasons works - A Shiite Case !

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posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 02:40 AM
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Salam ,

I saw that this topic belongs here and not in "Conspiracies in Religions" because I smell a political conspiracy behind this .

www.matthewrooney.com...




This site is pure masonic and it doesn't hide it !
They have their stories about how Muhammad (pbuh) was an inspired prophet and how the 12 imams are great magicians .

www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...

This is to trick shia to enter freemasonry under the false pretext that the masons respects their prophets and imams .

Of course masons don't respect Jesus (pbuh) nor Muhammad (pbuh) and they consider them as frauds .
Neither they care about any other prophets in the old testaments .

They care only about worhipping Lucifer .


For all you guys that don't believe in conspiracy , this is one straight your eyes !

For all of you freemasons , give explanations about this , if you were so innocents angels ... ?




posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by XLEGIONS
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This site is pure masonic and it doesn't hide it !
...

They care only about worhipping Lucifer .


There's nothing Masonic about the site, nothing at all.

I'm not sure what "worhipping" is, but Freemasons don't do it. Your reference to Lucifer further demonstrates your ignorance, I suggest you do a search of ATS in regards to the "Light Bringer," there is an abundance of information on the subject.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:08 AM
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I think 12 minutes aren't enough to give a judge about a site . Especially if it is conspiracy related .

About Lucifer , the high-ranking freemasons worship it . As I Know from what I read .
If you have another opinion , excuse my ignorance , and give them to me .





These are some evidences that the site is freemason oriented .
(at the end , they will not put a banner and say : We are Freemasons .)


www.matthewrooney.com...



Islam



These are Moorish Science symbols, indicating a strong connection to Masonry.





Moorish Symbols


Circle 7

Here are more Moorish Science symbols. Noble Drew Ali, founder of The Moorish Science Temple, also wrote the "Circle 7 Koran." The 7 in the circle symbolizes the seven angels, or Elohim, and appeared in that book. Elohim is one of god's names in the Jewish Torah and also means god in hebrew.


Document

Order of Secret Chiefs




posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:14 AM
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Looking at the site for signs of Masonry....



Oh, there's one.


Edit: I'm not well versed in Islam. Do they believe in Lucifer too?

[edit on 12-14-2004 by ShadowHasNoSource]



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:38 AM
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It's obvious that the site is freemasonic .
It is not only about one evidence inspite that sometimes one is enough .
A useful comment will be better than sarcasm .


Judaism , christianity and islam have similar views about "God and Satan" .



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by XLEGIONS
It's obvious that the site is freemasonic .
It is not only about one evidence inspite that sometimes one is enough .
A useful comment will be better than sarcasm .


Judaism , christianity and islam have similar views about "God and Satan" .



But sarcasm works too. I guess not as well huh. Anyway, I was backing up your claim that the site contained masonic symbolism.

Have you studied christianity? I would be interested to know the similarities and differences concerning Satan/Lucifer between the religions. I'm already fairly certain all 3 religions were works of Satan/Lucifer to divide humanity so as to win the war. But being able to compare the religions would probably bring more light to the subject. God/Allah/YHWH forbid we compared notes and figured this out. Sorry, more sarcasm.

How bout this? If the religions were created by one force to obscure the truth and divide humanity and Freemasonry attempts to bring those together under some other hierarchy under the guise of acceptance then maybe all of them were created by the same force. The religious wars could also have been used to get humanity tired of fighting one another so we gladly accept another hierarchy (that accepts all religions). And for those non-religious folks we have political wars against words to get people tired of fighting so they accept a political hierarchy (that accepts all cultures).

Ending post before more general (not directed towards anyone in particular) sarcasm comes out.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by XLEGIONS
I think 12 minutes aren't enough to give a judge about a site . Especially if it is conspiracy related .

About Lucifer , the high-ranking freemasons worship it . As I Know from what I read .
If you have another opinion , excuse my ignorance , and give them to me .


The revolving door of ignorance...

12 minutes is more than enough if you are a Freemason... I assure you, the site is not Masonic, usurping the Square and Compasses does not confer the mantle of Freemasonry.

Who, or what do you think Lucifer is? Satan? Time to hit the books if you do.

There are no "High Ranking Masons." A Master Mason is the highest Degree that you can ascend to, and is the pinnacle of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor does it endorse or encourage any particular religion. In my belief system there is no deification of evil, no Devil if you will.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:56 PM
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I am not a Mason, although I know a few.
This site you mention does not look in the least Masonic to me. It looks more like a website for some group of, perhaps, musicians. I can see that they are selling thier music.

If it is so obvious to you, please, point out an instance



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource

But sarcasm works too. I guess not as well huh. Anyway, I was backing up your claim that the site contained masonic symbolism.

Have you studied christianity? I would be interested to know the similarities and differences concerning Satan/Lucifer between the religions. I'm already fairly certain all 3 religions were works of Satan/Lucifer to divide humanity so as to win the war. But being able to compare the religions would probably bring more light to the subject. God/Allah/YHWH forbid we compared notes and figured this out. Sorry, more sarcasm.



About the similarities in the religions :

Jesus (pbuh) honored the laws of the Old Testament, and ordered his followers to follow the laws of the Old Testament:

Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (of the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Also the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sent by God as a messenger to fulfill the ancient laws and doctrines .
His message was the last religion sent by God .

So those 3 religions have big similarities .Inspite their big differences .
But the important is that they worship the same God , but each one on his way .


About that Satan maked these relgions :

A bad work is generated basicly from two players :
-The humans who care only about their desires , or who are ignorants .
-Satan who decorates the bad works and who deceive the humans .

Satan have no power on humans . At the end , Satan didn't use the hand of the killer .


Evil Satan's and Human Satan's role is the division .They did divide the humanity , but not by making the religions , but by giving false interpretations to the religions for serving their own goals .




Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource

How bout this? If the religions were created by one force to obscure the truth and divide humanity and Freemasonry attempts to bring those together under some other hierarchy under the guise of acceptance then maybe all of them were created by the same force. The religious wars could also have been used to get humanity tired of fighting one another so we gladly accept another hierarchy (that accepts all religions). And for those non-religious folks we have political wars against words to get people tired of fighting so they accept a political hierarchy (that accepts all cultures).

Ending post before more general (not directed towards anyone in particular) sarcasm comes out.



I prefer to stick with the touched evidence that we see .
I see conspiracy from a political view and not from mysterty/occult views .

The conspiracies in religions for political aims had been frequent in the mideast region and other areas since the last 3 centuries .

These some groups that are clear examples of how the invadors created or backed up different cults for their own benefits.

The Ahmadiyyah or Qadiyania Cult : alhafeez.org...

The Baha'i Cult : Founded with the help of a Russian agent who brainwashed Muhammad Ali al Shirazi , a hash smoker , that he is the promised Mahdi (pbuh) . Bahais now are zionists allies .

The Wahabi Cult : The british backed up the wahabis and used them to fight the ottomans . The wahabi's are a group who see that every muslim is a "kafir" infidel and they must fight them , but they say that the people of the books still "kafirs" but islam doesn't allow to fight them except if they are fighting muslims .This is a big benifit for british as Harry St. John Philby said : "We have get Ibn Sa'ud's hate for the non-wahabi muslims deeper , every increase in this hate it would be better for our benifits " .

www.jewish-history.com...



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:59 PM
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What do you have against Lucifer, how is he so wrong? Do you even know Lucifer?
Its not proper etiquette to gossip about people behind their backs.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 10:01 PM
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"Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (of the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

They had pens back then??????



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by TheBigD
"Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (of the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

They had pens back then??????


www.ringpen.com... Around 3000 BC

inventors.about.com...



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 11:46 PM
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12 minutes is more than enough if you are a Freemason.

and even if you are not 12 Min. is more that enough infact to much to see
it has nothing to do with Masonry. that is if you have even the slightest bit of knowledge of Masonry.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me

The revolving door of ignorance...

12 minutes is more than enough if you are a Freemason... I assure you, the site is not Masonic, usurping the Square and Compasses does not confer the mantle of Freemasonry.


Ok ... ,

Pro-Freemason . Whatever .




Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Who, or what do you think Lucifer is? Satan? Time to hit the books if you do.


Apparently , he is Satan .

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If the magician still refuses, realizing that the demon will make it impossible for him to fulfil his contract, other terms will be discussed, until at last a pact is agreed upon. It may read as follows: "I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifuge, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as it may please him, and in return Lucifuge promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed . . . . . . . . . . . . . " [Invocant signs pact with his own blood.]

The Secret Teaching Of All Ages by Manly Palmer

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STANZA III. -- Continued. (6. THE ROOT OF LIFE WAS ... )

.... The devil is now called Darkness by the Church, whereas, in the Bible he is called the "Son of God" (see Job), the bright star of the early morning, Lucifer (see Isaiah). There is a whole philosophy of dogmatic craft in the reason why the first Archangel, who sprang from the depths of Chaos, was called Lux (Lucifer), the "Luminous Son of the Morning," or man-vantaric Dawn. He was transformed by the Church into Lucifer or Satan, because he is higher and older than Jehovah, and had to be sacrificed to the new dogma.

The Secret Doctrine by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky


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Apparently the text means that Lucifer was transformed by the church to Satan .

What is the inner meaning of these texts , why creating the similarity between Lucifer and the Satan of the church ?

What is your view for Lucifer .







Originally posted by Mirthful Me
There are no "High Ranking Masons." A Master Mason is the highest Degree that you can ascend to, and is the pinnacle of Freemasonry.



When you say the highest degrees , then you admet that there is lower degrees .
Some teachings are not given to the lowest degrees .

In the teaching for low-ranking mason , Jesus (pbuh) is extolled , but to the higher ranking mason , Jesus (pbuh) is condemned , also the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is even called Baphomet .






Originally posted by Mirthful Me

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor does it endorse or encourage any particular religion. In my belief system there is no deification of evil, no Devil if you will.


I know ...

"Masonry is not a religion.
He who makes of it a religious belief, falsifies and denaturalizes it."
Albert Pike , "Morals and Dogma" p. 161




[edit on 15-12-2004 by XLEGIONS]



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 09:27 PM
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Uh, MY view of Lucifer is that the Romans (the culture from which Lucifer arose) had: the light-bringer.

1)Free-masonry is not a religion. You're just pissed because you can't get into the "cool little club."

2) The nice little link that began this argument has nothing to do with Masonry; it looks Islamic, to me.



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 02:27 AM
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I was joking about Lucifer, I wasn't expecting a serious response. So, Jesus called writing utencils "pens" back then?
Don't you people realize that religion is a tool? It is a tool, don't get obsessed over religion. It is a tool that governments, preachers, politicians, etc. use on the weak minded individuals to get their agenda accomplished. WAKE UP!!



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by TheBigD
I was joking about Lucifer, I wasn't expecting a serious response. So, Jesus called writing utencils "pens" back then?
Don't you people realize that religion is a tool? It is a tool, don't get obsessed over religion. It is a tool that governments, preachers, politicians, etc. use on the weak minded individuals to get their agenda accomplished. WAKE UP!!



Must you spew your rational thoughts when we are having an irrational discussion about fake beings? Bad poster.

Just for that I'm going to post a rational thought too. Just try to stop me.

Anyone can usurp masonic symbols and it doesn't mean they are masons or have any affiliation whatsoever with masons.



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by XLEGIONS
Salam ,

I saw that this topic belongs here and not in "Conspiracies in Religions" because I smell a political conspiracy behind this .

www.matthewrooney.com...




This site is pure masonic and it doesn't hide it !
They have their stories about how Muhammad (pbuh) was an inspired prophet and how the 12 imams are great magicians .

www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...
www.matthewrooney.com...

This is to trick shia to enter freemasonry under the false pretext that the masons respects their prophets and imams .

Of course masons don't respect Jesus (pbuh) nor Muhammad (pbuh) and they consider them as frauds .
Neither they care about any other prophets in the old testaments .

They care only about worhipping Lucifer .


For all you guys that don't believe in conspiracy , this is one straight your eyes !

For all of you freemasons , give explanations about this , if you were so innocents angels ... ?




Just to toss something in there for you. I know for a fact...that at least the vast majority of Free Mason's are Christian, and do not worship satan. I wonder about lunatics sometimes. Try not to fit the category.

if there are freemason's that worship satan, that is the exception, and not the rule.



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 10:06 AM
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Wait. I'm a freemason and worship the devil, all the other mason do to. It is the rule, there is no exception. Lucifer has told us many great things. I love Lucifer, he is my homie. Lucifer-->



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 12:48 PM
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maybe folklore and urban legends?



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