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Could Money Be The Antichrist & Root Of Evil?

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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 04:22 AM
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Money is no more evil then a gun or a spoon. It's an object, that can be different for the person who holds it. For a homeless person, it's survive another day. For the poor, it's to keep a roof over their heads. For the rich, it's a trophy to show how far they come. For the greedy it's a crutch and addiction. Anyone who says money is evil has never truly spent time with out it.




posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Mammon, One of the seven princess of Hell, represents Money.

(from wikipedia)

Scholars do not agree about its etymology, but it is theorized that Mammon derives from Late Latin mammon, from Greek "μαμμωνάς", Syriac mámóna ("riches"), Aramaic mamon ("riches, money"), a loanword from Mishnaic Hebrew 'ממון (mmôn) meaning money, wealth, or possessions; although it may also have meant "that in which one trusts".

The Revised Standard Version (RSV) of the Bible explains "mammon is a Semitic word for money or riches." The International Children's Bible (ICB) uses the wording "You cannot serve God and money at the same time."

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And in Matthew 6:24, it is said that 'You cannot serve both God and Mammon (Money)'

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so yeah i think you're right on this one.

peace
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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 05:36 AM
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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Miccey
Old... Been know for ages....



Tell us how to get rid of it instead...


We build an advanced society and ban all forms of materialism & just make everything free for everyone. BAM done we evolve beyond the epic stupidity of materialism.

I think communism meaning no money is very good.


Communism, from what has been witnessed through history and to this day, is just as faulty as all the other ism's. As it uses central banking and money, just like capitalism or socialism.

Without money in these systems, they would cease to be those systems.

I do agree though, that as a planet, we would be much better off without monetary economics.

Your idea of using technology to bring everyone to a higher standard of living is a great idea. Though it would not so much do away with materialism as it would ownership. And it would only do that passively. As it would become a (chosen) burden to own anything in a society that uses tech to advance everyone and everything to a max potential.

Have you ever heard of a Resource Based Economy?



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Hmm.

1. Money doesn't come with greed nor virtue.
2. Nowhere does it state *having* money is bad.
3. I find people without money make such claims.
4. If one is broke, it's ok. Just don't stay broke and focus on how.bad you have it and how lucky that person with money is.

1. I was poor.
2. lived in car
3. Went to public.school in Texas just for the free lunch program.
4. Seen rich people be so ugly.
5. Seen rich people.be so kind.
6. Too poor to go to college. Joined Army to pay for college.

I no longer live in a car.
I make exactly what I said I would make at my current age, and I want more. Now change my words from wanting more to *I can't stop thinking big.*
There is no greed, it's with a healthy and positive means, I have awesome plans that require $$$.

I wish people would hold themselves accountable and stop blaming a thing such as paper money.
***
but...but... the money made me lie, cheat, take 2000% profit, money made me shoot.that person, money made me rob. The system is not fair and balanced. I have no bootstraps to grab and pull up. Horse crap!!!



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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 05:59 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Money looks more like leaves to me, not roots.


For me the power pyramid is the root problem. It causes trickle up power and money is just a tool of power. Living in a system that enslaves (make people have no power) you to others who have all the power thru manipulation.

I do think that to have much power in this place you cannot be a true moral person with self reflection. Those who run after mammon and powers do screw themselves karma wise. Many are afraid that the mark of the anti Christ (knowledge of anointment) will come when it has been here for thousands of years and people have marked themselves by action for ages.

I smile at the lack of self reflection when I see some rich people tell others how Christian and good they are while doing everything to maintain an unequal system where they are on top and can control others. Giving lots of money to show of their benevolence that they would not have if the unequal system did not exists and they paid fairly on all levels.

Namaste
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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:11 AM
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originally posted by: Ignatian
"Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is The Christ. Whoever denies The Father and The Son, this is the antiChrist."
(1John2:22)

The LOVE of money is the root of evil. Greed. Idolized, therefore breaking several commandments, starting with the 1st.

Money is necessary, lets stay in reality.

Even Jesus reminded folks to pay their taxes. "Give unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar."


a reply to: FormOfTheLord



From my point of view.
Jesus means all money not just a part of the money so that money will stop being important since no one has any use of it.

Money is not necessary only a creation in society to keep score of things. Resources are necessary and can be allocated where needed and work that is needed can be shared by the society. Intuitive and logical thinking over time and resources to test things are what create technology.
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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord


Large part of it anyway. Wont be able to "buy or sell" without the mark.....yep sounds like money. Will "cause craft to prosper".....yea sounds like more money. He will be an economic wizard whatever else he becomes.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:26 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

If economic collapse and WW3 happen on Obama's watch, he is the AntiChristy

If it happens when pre Ordained JEB BUSH comes to power, than he is the AntiChristy

Just wait and find out.

I promise you, you will find out.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: Sparkymedic

"The Communism" that have been created in USSR and Cuba is state capitalism with social reforms to keep the unequality to a lower level in the power pyramid. For me Communism means removing the power pyramid all together and I have not seen Cuba, China, USSR or any other "communist" country do that.

Resource based economy where all resources is equally distributed and all contribute in their own way might work and might be non power pyramidic and be for the people by the people.


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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: LittleByLittle

No greater pabulum for the masses was every dreamed up probably quite like what has passed for communism during the industrial age. Its some thing for the masses to chew on while the party apparatchiks fatten themselves. It has been the great and deadly comedy of the last century.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:51 AM
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originally posted by: syrinx2112
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Hmm.

1. Money doesn't come with greed nor virtue.
2. Nowhere does it state *having* money is bad.
3. I find people without money make such claims.
4. If one is broke, it's ok. Just don't stay broke and focus on how.bad you have it and how lucky that person with money is.

1. I was poor.
2. lived in car
3. Went to public.school in Texas just for the free lunch program.
4. Seen rich people be so ugly.
5. Seen rich people.be so kind.
6. Too poor to go to college. Joined Army to pay for college.

I no longer live in a car.
I make exactly what I said I would make at my current age, and I want more. Now change my words from wanting more to *I can't stop thinking big.*
There is no greed, it's with a healthy and positive means, I have awesome plans that require $$$.

I wish people would hold themselves accountable and stop blaming a thing such as paper money.
***
but...but... the money made me lie, cheat, take 2000% profit, money made me shoot.that person, money made me rob. Horse crap!!!



Money doesn't harbor greed? So where oh where does greed come from? Let alone crime, corruption, hunger, poverty, war, etc. Where do these abhorrent social behaviors come from? What is the common denominator here? Based on what your saying (and unless you forgot to state that you are being sarcastic) you believe that these behaviors are inherent in everyone and will surface no matter the environment one comes from - be it affluence, war zone, ghetto or suburbia.

By what standard are you not poor anymore? Your a billionaire? Or do you now have a vehicle, house and access to food/drink? Both are rich by the worlds standards, but they sure do differ none the less.

You do realize that poverty in and of itself is a requirement to have a functioning capitalist, socialist or comminist economy, right? You need islands of rich with oceans of poor at the very least in capitalism. That's how it works. Which means it doesn't work for everyone, just a very small few who have either found a way to manipulate the system in their favor and stepping on others teeth on their climb up the ladder or were born into it and reap the benefits of nepotism.

Good for you for pulling up your boot straps and not letting money or the lack there of (social divide) drive you to the bottom rungs of the survival ladder/pyramid scheme. But seeing as money is only a form of measurement (purchasing power = economic freedom) you are OK with society being socially stratified on such an illusion? Money is no different then inches or Celsius - it is man made. Part of a collective imagination if you will. So to what end do we keep imagining it as a requirement to achieve civilization? Who's really gaining in a monetary economy? Unless you own the money which everyone uses, then certainly not you or I, or anyone else I know.




posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: Sparkymedic
1. Money doesn't *come* with greed nor virtue.
You the human give that measuring tool substance. Good or bad, all up to you.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 08:29 AM
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So, your pointing out that money is an inert object that does nothing until put into the hands of humans? A bit of an over simplification don't ya think?

Indeed money is nothing without the collective psychology believing in it. But it isn't as black and white as "here is some money, now either choose good or bad to do with it."

Humans are products of our environments. If you are raised in affluence, you will likely take on traits of that corner of society, while also benefiting from a likely superior level of education. If you are raised in a ghetto, you will also likely take on those traits of that society. Yes, there are anomalies, but they are just that and nothing more.

So how does that have anything to do with a human being "bad" or "good"? Monkey see, monkey do. If you grow up and all you know is the thug life, then that is how you will be influenced. Money plays the part of the provider of positive actions and events. However, as money is the path to individual freedom through purchasing power in this society, there will be more people who will not have such positive influences as opposed to negative ones. Hence the downfall with the divide of rich and poor. The same goes the other way as I have already explained. And you will likely take steps to preserve or grow the sum of your wealth for your stratified social survival. Greed and virtue are quite subjective when placed in certain circumstances concerning quality of life. If you don't have a lot to give, chances are you still give, cuz you know what its like not to have. However if all you know is to have, then chances are you will not give. Its been proven in psychological tests.

The issue is not the people per se. The issue is the medium in which the peoples issues/ behaviors are born. Which is money in the case of our global society.

If we are not socially stratified through monetary means (materialism) how will we be socially stratified to them give us these behaviors? Because based on what you are saying, no matter if there is money or not, society will still be faced with equal amounts of abhorrent behavior.

I clearly beg to differ. If you can please provide reasons and examples of how and why you feel this way, pleas do so we can keep a good debate going.

Don't get me wrong, people will be people and in no way would doing away with money do away with all abhorrent behaviors. But it sure would help, a lot!



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord


So some believe that money is evil or is the very form of the Anti-Christ.

The thought that money may be what is hindering our society to progress foward and use the abundance.

Whats holding back solar technology. . . Money
Whats holding back all technologies. . . Money
What is holding back the end of world hunger. . . Money
What are the causes of wars. . . Money
What divides society causing haves and have nots. . . Money
What is the very form of materialism which divides human beings. . . Money
What do people sell thier souls for. . . Money
What do people kill for. . . Money
What is holding back all progressive advancemt of our world. . . Money


No. Money is just a medium of exchange, nothing more, nothing less.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: syrinx2112

So, your pointing out that money is an inert object that does nothing until put into the hands of humans? A bit of an over simplification don't ya think?

Indeed money is nothing without the collective psychology believing in it. But it isn't as black and white as "here is some money, now either choose good or bad to do with it."

Humans are products of our environments. If you are raised in affluence, you will likely take on traits of that corner of society, while also benefiting from a likely superior level of education. If you are raised in a ghetto, you will also likely take on those traits of that society. Yes, there are anomalies, but they are just that and nothing more.

So how does that have anything to do with a human being "bad" or "good"? Monkey see, monkey do. If you grow up and all you know is the thug life, then that is how you will be influenced. Money plays the part of the provider of positive actions and events. However, as money is the path to individual freedom through purchasing power in this society, there will be more people who will not have such positive influences as opposed to negative ones. Hence the downfall with the divide of rich and poor. The same goes the other way as I have already explained. And you will likely take steps to preserve or grow the sum of your wealth for your stratified social survival. Greed and virtue are quite subjective when placed in certain circumstances concerning quality of life. If you don't have a lot to give, chances are you still give, cuz you know what its like not to have. However if all you know is to have, then chances are you will not give. Its been proven in psychological tests.

The issue is not the people per se. The issue is the medium in which the peoples issues/ behaviors are born. Which is money in the case of our global society.

If we are not socially stratified through monetary means (materialism) how will we be socially stratified to them give us these behaviors? Because based on what you are saying, no matter if there is money or not, society will still be faced with equal amounts of abhorrent behavior.

I clearly beg to differ. If you can please provide reasons and examples of how and why you feel this way, pleas do so we can keep a good debate going.

Don't get me wrong, people will be people and in no way would doing away with money do away with all abhorrent behaviors. But it sure would help, a lot!


And people had all of the above faults long before money existed. They wanted more land or women or power or whatever. It does not matter what the medium of exchange was be it bales of tobacco or cotton, shiny rocks, or barter.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 08:57 AM
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What is your point? That we are the same as before money? Socially and psychologically, yes. Your right. It's called social stratification. And now it isn't brawn which divides us, its money.

I think, for those of you who feel that a removal of monetary economics would just bring is back to the dark ages are missing the point.

The removal of monetary economics would not leave a void that couldn't be filled. You would need to replace it with something. My suggestion is a resource based economy. At this stage in the game, we no longer need money to keep society to this level, if not bring it further in development. Without money and with the proper management of finite resources, everyone on earth could live a high standard of living.

Never before has humanity had the internet, let alone claims by scinetists that fully functional AI will exist in less than a decade (it will happen), along with all the other awesome tech/ tech potential we have. Those points alone will never allow humanity to revert back to the dark ages, unless we do it ourselves with nukes or unplug the internet.

Do you really think bankers and politicians know how to solve crime, corruption, greed, poverty, war, hunger? No, if anything they are the ones fermenting these issues we all share as burdens in society. Clearly they have something invested in keeping the status quo. Why give it all to them? Why disempower ourselves like this?




posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: Sparkymedic
Yes, it's that simple.

I refuse to have outward pointing arrows that blame and complain.

How is what one does with money not the start of a healthy or unhealthy transaction.

Also to be clear.
I believe in a capitalist society, just NOT corporatism. The % 2000 mandatory profit at all moral costs. These that eff up their transactions are what I despise.

How did these corporatist's get to this point? Thinking wrong. Moral foundation is shot. And these do happen alot. On the same token, there are the ones who flourish with an adequate profit (God forbid to use the word profit as something good, snark.) And who do right by their profits, no matter their environment.

Nah man, I hold myself accountable for how I start my money transactions.

Even if you had society to raise and grow just necessities, everybody farms and raises and shares.
1. Who gets the best choice product?
2. Who controls the divy.
3. Why do I have to grow lettuce, that's not what I want to do with my life. Dan do I feel empty.

I'd rather pay (whatever is used as currency) you for your product (you created)or services (you love your craft so you profit from it)a fair price.
1. You feel wholesome.
2. You're doing what you love.
3. You are putting food on your table.
4. You give to charities that touch your heart.
5. You buy the feed the hungry grocery bags at your local super market to help my fellow hungry neighbors.
6. You build financial security so you can take sick/vacation days to donate your time to feed the hungry at the mission.

Now I can bullet out opposites of the above, but most have done that already and stay stuck on the ugly.





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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: NavyDoc

What is your point? That we are the same as before money? Socially and psychologically, yes. Your right. It's called social stratification. And now it isn't brawn which divides us, its money.

I think, for those of you who feel that a removal of monetary economics would just bring is back to the dark ages are missing the point.

The removal of monetary economics would not leave a void that couldn't be filled. You would need to replace it with something. My suggestion is a resource based economy. At this stage in the game, we no longer need money to keep society to this level, if not bring it further in development. Without money and with the proper management of finite resources, everyone on earth could live a high standard of living.

Never before has humanity had the internet, let alone claims by scinetists that fully functional AI will exist in less than a decade (it will happen), along with all the other awesome tech/ tech potential we have. Those points alone will never allow humanity to revert back to the dark ages, unless we do it ourselves with nukes or unplug the internet.

Do you really think bankers and politicians know how to solve crime, corruption, greed, poverty, war, hunger? No, if anything they are the ones fermenting these issues we all share as burdens in society. Clearly they have something invested in keeping the status quo. Why give it all to them? Why disempower ourselves like this?



I don't think they can solve these problems--no system is perfect and you will never solve these problems. Utopia is, by definition, unobtainable and those who think, "if only we have the right system, these things will go away" is guilty of Utopian thinking.

Money is simply a medium of exchange that made commerce easier and thus did bring a lot of benefit to people. Instead of trading your tobacco to get some wood to trade to the blacksmith to get a pot that the cobbler wants for his shoes, one could sell his wood, get some money, give it to the cobbler for the shoes and the cobbler could then buy a pot at his leisure.

Will technology somehow replace money someday as we know it? Most likely. Will all of these problems go away? Nope.

There will always be someone who wants more than his share. There will always be someone who likes power. There will always be someone who thinks it's unfair that the other guy has a better looking woman. There will always be jealousy, greed, envy, anger, and all sorts of crappy things that people are notorious for.

I definitely want politicians to have as little power as possible, which is why centralized "utopias" are a bad thing.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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What I speak of is the farthest thing from a utopia. I never claimed it would be a one time-fix all. However, over time I think you would see a significant diminishment of abhorrent social behaviors, due to a lack of competition in society. And you are correct about history. However, I never said that wasn't how it was. We certainly needed money as a medium for exchange to get us to where we are today. I just don't believe we need to perpetuate it much further.

I refuse to take the defeatest attitude that society can't make the step away from monetary economics beacause "nothing is gonna change".

I think people are underestimating the levels of technology that currently do exist which could free humanity from its current level of despotism/slavery if budgets were non existent.

As per NASA engineers, the Space Shuttle was by far the most dangerous vehicle ever made, and was so due to a BUDGET. Not a lack of resources!

This is the mentality of our current system. This is how the world is run. With the illusions of dollars and cents dividing and conquering the masses and decisions being made rather than arrived at through logical and scientific reasoning. All for power and control through monetary means and social stratification.




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