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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Yes I've been there, so to speak. That's why I linked the Untersberg threat here somewhere "little grey people coming out of the mounain..." But that doesn't necessarily mean it is true. We would have certainly found them by now, right? We pretty much crawl into every hole we can find and climbed every mountain, so if they were underground we would have found some debris of civilisation.
But I like the McKenna saying and am paraphrasing "If you are having contact with them in your mind, this is a real experience to you, more than if you hear the news they landed on the white house." That's a pretty smart statement, if you think about it, but is leads to people claiming imagination is real and everything else is an illusion, so maybe this is the line of maturity you have to pass, because after all, it is just a play of thoughts. To accept it as reality we need to know what or whom we are really dealing with and this is basically why we would need a worldwide agreement on how to approach and classify this topic. Share information and establish what is real and what is uneducated folk-thought-spinning.
The thing is just, it is only the USofA where these grey abduction cases seem to take place, so... I am not so sure if we can count on them to disclose
In preparation for this conference I re-read Carl Jung's book, published in 1954, called "Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen In the Sky". And to my mind, no one has really gone beyond Jung. He understood very clearly that saying that something is a denizen of the psychic realm no way precludes it's also having efficacious force in the physical realm through the phenomenon he called synchronicity.
The first thing somebody said to me was "I want you to know that this Jungian thing is bull####."
Okay, that's fine. However, this is like beating a dead horse. Has the news from quantum physics not reached the UFO community? Is it not now thoroughly assimilated that an observer is necessary for reality to exist at all? It's all psychological! There's no distinction. So these people that have such enthusiasm for beryllium ships from Arturus or wherever should be informed, you know - same same! That's important news. And where is it coming from? Let's not rush past this here.
Physics has always been the paradigmatic science. All sciences have physics-envy. Why is that? Because it's not unlikely in a physics experiment to be able to predict an experimental result to three decimal points of accuracy. That's science! You don't get that in sociology, you don't get that in psychology, you don't even get that in biology. And physics is the most mathematical of all the sciences. So around the towering edifice of physics, the more frightened and uncertain of the sciences had gathered near her skirts. So what is physics telling us? It's saying "Folks, hold your horses here. It turns out the cheerful world of billiard ball-like atoms, winging their way through Newtonian space, is in for serious revision. It turns out that these particles aren't even particles - they're waves. Well no, not exactly - they're both. Well what I actually meant to say was..."
And you discover the babble of mad people. Science has collapsed. Its' core has given way to contradiction. The cheerful exploration of matter that begins with the Greeks is destroyed by Werner Heisenberg and all his evil grandchildren, who now show that 1) It's incomprehensible. 2) It's self-contradictory. 3) You can't conceptualize it except in some enormously complicated mathematical phase-space anyway.
So this concern for the materiality of the saucers is a completely anachronistic issue. Carried far enough the analysis of this stage will show you that it has no "reality" to it.
Just between you and me i am a war victim from this war, i am from the Balkans i am a kid that had two near deaths in the conflict,Serbs were only defending their people from both the Muslims and Croatians.
Negative time does exist and is used in advanced physical theories. Dirac predicted an electron traveling backward in time, which would be observed in positive time as a positive charge traveling forward in time.
The application of negative time to philosophy also allows the solution to the problem of good and evil. In positive time we may consider an act as evil—say the act of a hungry wolf seizing a hapless rabbit and devouring it. In positive time, we might say that to the rabbit the act was evil, and to the hungry wolf the act was good, noticing in the process that good and evil are relative terms, not absolutes. Examining the situation now in negative time, a very strange thing occurs. The remains of the consumed rabbit are regurgitated from the wolf's belly, again creating a living breathing rabbit, and reintroducing hunger into the wolf. Thus the act now is beneficial to the rabbit and detrimental to the wolf.
The point is that Allness or Godness is both sides of every coin, not one side only. Omega Godness exists both backward and forward in time; it must do so if it is to be unlimited, even by time itself.
Thus to such unlimited allness, every act is both good and evil simultaneously. Thus we can understand how a perfect creator could establish and ordain good and evil, for there is a sense in which the two are synonymous.
However, such insight is a very strong dose of medicine, too strong for the average stomach. Most persons never seek the Unlimited Godness; instead, they seek a good facet of Godness that itself moves forward only positively in time. Thus they find a partial image which is limited in and by the flow of time. By such an assumption the biblical phrase "I am Alpha and Omega" is unconsciously translated into "I was Alpha and I will be Omega." Thus orthodox Christianity long ago lost much of the God-insight originally given by the avatar Jesus. Only those few cloistered individuals who still struggle with exegesis grapple with the problem of good and evil. The problem indeed has a solution, but the solution involves negative time, the fourth law of logic, and an unlimited creator.
"Well the explain all the demon #, abductions and torturing and stuff!": Well psychology is a very new science, the more so human science and psycholgy is just recently invented. We didn't even know you had personalities, we just thought you guys are hot and funny.