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The system (universe) is the Master's (God's) creation.
What is the number 4? The number 4 in and of itself is meaningless unless it is modifying something.
Life is short .. its also the most valuable thing a person has .. its not to be wasted or thrown away lightly .. theres already enough misery in the world .. dont need to add more to it .. better to do what can to make it better while here and help those who see that truly need help ..
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Life is short and the most valuable thing a person has. Friend those are subjective opinions without God. Who are you to tell me life is not something to be wasted? What standard are you going to appeal to in order to produce evidence for that belief? If you truly believe there is no God then what evidence do you have that Human life has intrinsic value.
If human life has no intrinsic value then ultimately if you choose a life of compassion and love BRAVO or if you choose a life of murder and rape BRAVO there is ultimately no difference in you world view.
Growing as a human being? What does that mean?
Why should I care that I helped someone who needed it?
You are talking of all these things as though they are something that I should care for, but your not telling me why living for compassion joy and love are better than living for say murder theft and rape .
Life is short .. its also the most valuable thing a person has .. its not to be wasted or thrown away lightly .. theres already enough misery in the world .. dont need to add more to it .. better to do what can to make it better while here and help those who see that truly need help ..
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Life is short and the most valuable thing a person has. Friend those are subjective opinions without God. Who are you to tell me life is not something to be wasted? What standard are you going to appeal to in order to produce evidence for that belief? If you truly believe there is no God then what evidence do you have that Human life has intrinsic value.
If human life has no intrinsic value then ultimately if you choose a life of compassion and love BRAVO or if you choose a life of murder and rape BRAVO there is ultimately no difference in you world view.
Growing as a human being? What does that mean?
Why should I care that I helped someone who needed it?
You are talking of all these things as though they are something that I should care for, but your not telling me why living for compassion joy and love are better than living for say murder theft and rape .
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: TheArrow
What is God? I'll do you one better Jesus of Nazareth was God. There I told who and what God is. He is an eternal, perfect being that is transcendent but imminent within this world. There is evidence of a rational mind behind the external universe, and God is that transcendent mind.
When talking about world views this actually means a lot on a philosophical level. The idea of a rational mind behind the universe means we should expect to see evidence of such in reality. As I have said your merely presenting a logical fallacy known as an argument from incredulity. I cannot imagine the concept of God therefore it cannot be. That is a logical fallacy no way around it.
On the contrary the number 4 is an abstract concept that has meaning. I don't need to apply the number 4 to anything in order to understand the concept of 4.
God has to modify something? Why is that so? I see no reason for a rational mind to have to modify something in order to exist.
So, your idea of an eternal, perfect being is reduced to a mortal form, described by various, conflicting accounts
No. Not that I cannot imagine the concept, you can't imagine the concept. If you could imagine the concept, you could describe it to me in a meaningful and precise way.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: TheArrow
Ok apparently you missed the fact that I said He was imminent. Meaning he is involved with the creation. He is eternal and transcendent as well. Now you said you wanted to know what God was. I told you God is Jesus Christ. That is as precise as I can get. Now you called the Gospels conflicting accounts. You completely incorrect. The Gospels are internally consistent. Do you get different perspectives on the same scenarios? Yes. Do you get hard contradictions? No.
Now your just getting offensive. Who are you to tell me what concepts I can and cannot fathom. In order to tell me that you would have to know more about myself than I do. Guess what you don't. So why don't you act a little more respectful. You willingly admit to being unable to fathom the concept of God, I do not.
Again you keep saying that these words have no meaning but that is obviously not true based on my personal experiences with people. If I ask a person if they believe in God I don't have to explain to that person what I mean by God when i ask that question normally people know what I mean because the word has a meaning just like the color red has a meaning. This conversation is a waste of time as it is not intellectually appealing at all...
Like I said, your conflicted book isn't all that compelling. If that's what you are using to define your god, then there isn't a point in "disproving" it, as the framework for disproving the existence of Jesus has already been laid, and you aren't interested in hearing it.
So then, you can fathom the concept of god, but you are merely unwilling to share what that concept is. Doesn't sound like you are all that interested in any sort of rational discourse at all, frankly.
I told you God is Jesus Christ.
All of the questions in the OP are already listed. They are just as sweet and short as Is there a supreme being do I really need to rephrase? Go read the OP, as I am starting to wonder if you read it at all. There is a list of questions in the OP.
Well simply put if you have no evidence for or against and I produce one piece of evidence for the existence of a God wouldn't it automatically become more reliable as you have no evidence to the contrary.
The Big Bang Model is a broadly accepted theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit. We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.map.gsfc.nasa.gov...
And lets clarify here that I am asking for evidence that God does not exist not proof that God does exist
So what I am hearing is that ultimately all of your faith is in yourself and your minds ability to interpret sensory data. This is a faith that you are telling me is reliable.
What evidence do you have that living this way will bring you to the best objective understanding of reality?
Now you have made a faith claim here. "I cannot trust my perception of reality." I respect your intellectual consistency. If God is not real you are absolutely right, we cannot trust our own perception. Now is that world view consistent with how you live your life? Do you distrust your own perception of reality on a daily basis?
I personally do not. So that world view would contradict the experiences i've observed.
Although I believe Jesus existed, he was given superpowers. I have never seen anyone else walk on water.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: TheArrow
And I hear speculation and no facts. If you are seriously suggesting Jesus of Nazareth wasn't a real person well then I don't really think we have much more to talk about until you have done a little more historical research.
I have already given you the concept of God I hold to. An eternal, perfect, transcendent, rational mind that is also imminent.
Just because you don't want to accept that as a philosophical concept doesn't mean it is not one lol.
I mean I could just say well the laws of logic cannot be rationally justified therefore they aren't actual philosophical concepts and I have no need for them, but that would just be silly.
In no way is the concept of God I have presented circular.
I haven't defined God in a way that is circular at all.
I still don't see how the Simulator and Simulation analogy is circular. If I say God created the universe that is not circular. You start with God and move to a universe. If I said the universe created the universe that would be circular. Or if I said God exist because God exist that would be circular. Or if I said God is God because he is God. That would be circular but at no point in time have I done anything of that nature. I have said God is an eternal, perfect, transcendent, rational mind that is also imminent with his creation. Thats not circular at all.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Grimpachi
IMO life without a god, afterlife...yada yada means life has more meaning it is the most meaningful thing. Life.
Ok but with out God I could just as easily say I think its more meaningful to end life and try and bring about the destruction of all that is as quick as possible and objectively you cannot tell me otherwise. Therefore ultimately life has no objective meaning but only a false subjective illusion of our mind.
Its blind faith to believe that Jesus walked on water and resurrected. Where in reality have you seen that happen?
I said it depends on the definition of faith. Your premise is based on everyone having faith in some world view so as I tried telling you I don't have faith as you define it in such which means your premise has been falsified. Maybe you should have said "almost" everyone has faith. As for your questions they would be dependent on your premise holding up to scrutiny which it hasn't.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: danielsil18
Its blind faith to believe that Jesus walked on water and resurrected. Where in reality have you seen that happen?
Do you have some historical evidence suggesting Jesus wasn't resurrected ?
Because Matthew Mark Luke and John are all 1st century documents written as historical narrative
1.) God: Is there a Supreme Being?
If it exist, is it personal or not?
If it doesn't, is matter and energy all that exist?
2.)Universe: Where did the universe come from?
What sustains the uniform nature of the universe?
Is there a spiritual part of reality?
3.)Humans: Do humans have intrinsic value?
Does life have a purpose?
4.)Moral order: Who makes the rules?
Do some rules apply to everyone?
You have faith in your mother, I am willing to bet you dont chemically analyze the food you get from her or other people when you get it.
I am willing to be you have faith that love exist.
1.) God: Is there a Supreme Being?
If it doesn't, is matter and energy all that exist?
2.)Universe: Where did the universe come from?
What sustains the uniform nature of the universe?
Is there a spiritual part of reality?
3.)Humans: Do humans have intrinsic value?
4.)4.)Moral order: Who makes the rules?
Do some rules apply to everyone?
A snake that could speak, people who could live more than 900 years, giants, world flood, all animals in a wooden ship, Jonah living inside a big fish for 3 days, Samson losing his strength after losing his hair, a talking donkey, the splitting of the sea, walking on water, etc, etc.
1) I dont know I dont believe in one. Is it all matter and energy? I dont know.
2) I dont know. My opinion is mostly chemical reactions and physics.
Spiritual part of reality? I dont know. I dont believe in it.
3) I dont like to put any "value" on humans.
Life having a purpose? I think we all give our lives purposes.
4) What rules?
You don't know my mother. She has dementia it is to a point now that we unplugged the stove.
Not 100% as you define faith. I have had some crap relationships before.
No one knows for sure.
What uniformity? Do you mean how entire galaxies are colliding, stars are going supernova, black holes are swallowing things up, rogue asteroids are spiraling about just to name a few? I don't think anyone has ever implied uniform in that way to me before..
The community or culture.
In some communities or cultures possibly but cross cultures worldwide no.