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Ok so again for the third time you continue to avoid the questions in the OP...why?
If you have faith in things backed up by evidence lets take each of those questions and see if that is true of your world view.
Is there a Supreme being? You have answered No. So what is the reality then? No God and simply Matter? What evidence do you have to support this? Or do you put complete trust in that idea?
Again blind faith is silly. Who would want to believe in something with no evidence? So whenever you discuss faith with me its imperative you read it as complete trust when I write it otherwise you will misinterpret the meaning of my sentences.
I am trying to determine if you have faith in things only backed up by evidence, but you refuse to respond to the questions in the OP because I think you know they will quickly show you either put your complete faith in yourself or other ideas that cannot be backed up by evidence.
Now as I have said I put my faith in Christ. I think that is the most reliable person to put my faith in based on evidence not because I believe that blindly and its arrogant of you to assume that I blindly believe those things.
I have not decided that you blindly believe whatever it is that you believe without first having a conversation with you, so why don't you extend me the same courtesy ?
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: TheArrow
So basically you are telling me I cannot imagine a "creator of the universe" but thats entirely untrue. I can relate an external Supreme being to a Master Simulator and His Simulation. A being outside the system. That is not unfathomable and therefore is a legitimate philosophical concept. You have taken a very lazy approach and just like everyone else ignored the questions in the OP so that your own world view cannot be intellectually analyzed by other.
For something to be a simulation, there needs to be a model. What is the model being simulated? Is that also outside of the Master, or a part of Him? If either, it doesn't matter, because it is circular.
Science fits the definition of religion.
I will not bother posting the definition here because the definitions of a religion are always changing. As a matter of fact the definitions have even changed a bit in the last couple weeks since i last looked but all in all the bottom line is that being a religion does not mean you have to have a central diety. Check out a couple of the definitions and see if science could be defined by any of those definitions.
That is not to sat that one can not better define science in other terms but that science does fit in the definition of religion. They are all matters of faith and science has changed and contridicted too much in the past to be considered complete.
[ri-lij-uh n] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
[bih-leef] Spell Syllables
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something believed; an opinion or conviction:
a belief that the earth is flat.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:
a statement unworthy of belief.
confidence; faith; trust:
a child's belief in his parents.
a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith:
the Christian belief.
a formal declaration that someone is guilty of a criminal offense, made by the verdict of a jury or the decision of a judge in a court of law.
"she had a previous conviction for a similar offense"
synonyms: declaration of guilt, sentence, judgment
"his conviction for murder"
a firmly held belief or opinion.
"his conviction that the death was no accident"
synonyms: belief, opinion, view, thought, persuasion, idea, position, stance, article of faith
"his political convictions"
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
You see you attaching meaning to your life but if there is no God life is ultimately meaningless, but that again contradicts my experiences in reality.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: TheArrow
First it was an analogy. It was meant to portray a concept of a being outside the system. In no way is tha a circular concept.
The theological noncognitivist presents one of the very few true arguments from incredulity. They say because they can imagine a unicorn it is an actual philosophical concept but because they cannot imagine a Supreme creator of the system we find ourselves in they are not even actual concepts which is bologna, and lazy. Why dont you answer the questions in the OP?
I don't know if you missed it but I said I am not entirely sure what you questions are I then asked if you could rephrase them with numbers.
What evidence do you have to support this: I have no evidence for or against one. There is a lack of evidence= No evidence no belief.
Seems I only believe in myself and my ability to take in and interpret data which is fine with me.
When you put it that way then NO. I do not completely trust anything except maybe that I think therefore I am. What that "i am" maybe I can not be certain of because I cannot completely trust my perception of reality.
Where do you come up with this stuff?
This is playing with words.
IMO life without a god, afterlife...yada yada means life has more meaning it is the most meaningful thing. Life.