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Republican Governor learns his tax cuts for the rich didn't work

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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 11:11 PM
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Wow, I thought that this recession proved that tax cuts don't do much for job growth, but four times less job growth than non-tax cutting neighbors is pretty pitiful.

Sam Brownback’s terrible, horrible, no good, very bad 31 hours

www.kansascity.com...



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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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You can't give someone that already has more and expect change. You must give it to those that do not have. Those that will spend it actually and affect the economy. Businesses sell more when people buy more. They don't sell more because someone gave them a break. If they sell more they hire more too. Supply and demand. They used to teach economics in school. I guess that is why they do not now. So the sheep believe the trickle down BS they feed them.


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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 11:24 PM
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so, the rich folks didn't just pour the extra savings back into the economy but instead do as rich folks do, invest/save/nestegg it.

go figure.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: CB328

They should abolish taxes for everyone.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 11:33 PM
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At the end of the day, we are still talking about Kansas... We aren't talking about a state that everyone is dying to move to and that also has a diversity of well paying industries. I'm not sure tax cuts alone can help Kansas. You also need to cut spending. I'd need more facts and details, but if these tax cuts were implemented last year, I can't realistically expect that you would see this major improvement in a year.

The funny thing about liberals is they will argue that they need tax something to discourage it - cigarettes, big gulp drinks, fuel, cars, guns etc. Yet, they can't apply that same logic to economic growth. Taxing all those other things discourages consumption, yet raising taxes on people's income doesn't affect the economy?



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 11:40 PM
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Looks like a lot of school corruption is getting exposed finally.




posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
At the end of the day, we are still talking about Kansas... We aren't talking about a state that everyone is dying to move to and that also has a diversity of well paying industries. I'm not sure tax cuts alone can help Kansas. You also need to cut spending. I'd need more facts and details, but if these tax cuts were implemented last year, I can't realistically expect that you would see this major improvement in a year.

The funny thing about liberals is they will argue that they need tax something to discourage it - cigarettes, big gulp drinks, fuel, cars, guns etc. Yet, they can't apply that same logic to economic growth. Taxing all those other things discourages consumption, yet raising taxes on people's income doesn't affect the economy?


They are not really tax breaks to the wealthy...It is a failure to tax the wealthy at a higher rate which the libs call a tax cut...

They want to tax big business more than they are being taxed now...I can't figure out how they can't get it...Big business won't pay more taxes...They just add the cost of the taxes to their products and the working people pay more to cover the taxes...Taxing big business hurts the working person...



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 02:33 AM
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a reply to: CB328

recessions are good for the rich because its the best time to demand a tax reduction. They do this all the time. I wonder what year will the corporate tax rate will be zero %?

got any bets



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: CB328

Hey
Can you do me a quick favor and change your username to whitehouse.gov?
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posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 06:26 AM
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wealthy people don't keep cash. Cash rots.

Wealthy people invest cash, to put their cash to work for them. when it is invested, it is put back into the economy. sometimes jobs are cretaed, sometimes it is invested beyond your borders.

but a wealty person who sits on their cash won't be wealthy for long.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: roth1
You can't give someone that already has more and expect change. You must give it to those that do not have. Those that will spend it actually and affect the economy. Businesses sell more when people buy more. They don't sell more because someone gave them a break. If they sell more they hire more too. Supply and demand. They used to teach economics in school. I guess that is why they do not now. So the sheep believe the trickle down BS they feed them.


Exactly, why do they alwaus want to give those with too much already more, yet recoil at the mere suggestion of giving those with too little more?

Cant fix stupid I guess...by all means keep starving those actually producing, while those fatcats just keep hoarding all the wealth in the country...it isnt like the hungry masses would boost the economy since they would purchase goods and services with it.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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The Missouri side of Kansas City had 4 times the job growth as the Kansas side!

OMG!!! That proves tax cuts didn't work!!! Republicans bad. Rich people bad.

Then you look at the actual data...

By the numbers:

▪ The Missouri side of the region added 8,400 workers on nonfarm payrolls between November 2013 and November 2014, not seasonally adjusted.

▪ The Kansas side gained only 1,900 employees in that one-year span.

So the Missouri side of Kansas City added 8,400 NONFARM jobs, and the Kansas side added 1,900 NONFARM jobs.

That PROVES the tax cuts didn't work??? Really?

Maybe it's because the Kansas side is predominantly farmland.

Oh... and yeah.... look at the map. The Kansas side of Kansas City is roughly 1/4 the area of the Missouri side.



Deny ignorance, don't promote it.

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posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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The funny thing about liberals is they will argue that they need tax something to discourage it - cigarettes, big gulp drinks, fuel, cars, guns etc. Yet, they can't apply that same logic to economic growth.

Where do you get your information from FOX news? You couldn't be more wrong take California for example perhaps the biggest liberal state in the Union raised taxes and cut spending. They had to do this after that idiot Schwarzenegger a Republican with his plan of cutting taxes and not cutting spending screwed the states economy up.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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That PROVES the tax cuts didn't work??? Really?

No it was known that the taxes cuts enacted in Kansas was going to be nothing but a failure even without bringing Kansas city into the picture.

Sam Brownback's Conservative Kansas Experiment



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Edumakated



The funny thing about liberals is they will argue that they need tax something to discourage it - cigarettes, big gulp drinks, fuel, cars, guns etc. Yet, they can't apply that same logic to economic growth.

Where do you get your information from FOX news? You couldn't be more wrong take California for example perhaps the biggest liberal state in the Union raised taxes and cut spending. They had to do this after that idiot Schwarzenegger a Republican with his plan of cutting taxes and not cutting spending screwed the states economy up.


You sometimes posts insightful and relevant comments. This wasn't one of those times.

The point is true. Liberals raise taxes to punish behaviors, and yet argue against lowering taxes to encourage growth.

You picked a bad example in California. People are moving here because it's an awesome place to live, IN SPITE of the People's Republic of California running things. Part of the reason it's awesome is because the economy is built on low labor costs provided by the millions of immigrants coming in from Mexico.

The wealthiest people are fleeing to live in Nevada, Florida, and Texas, where they pay zero state taxes, instead of the 10% top tax rate here.

So why don't liberals simply admit that lowering taxes will drive behavior just like raising taxes?



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 09:40 AM
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By the way, the title of this thread is false and misleading.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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Liberals raise taxes to punish behaviors, and yet argue against lowering taxes to encourage growth.

No they raise them because unlike the Republicans they realise that states have bills to pay. Also it has been proven just like in Kansas if you cut taxes it won't encourage job growth unless you have something to offset it. Take Texas for example they cut taxes and still had job growth why? Because of a huge oil industry and a missive amount of illegal immigrants willing to work for pocket change not all states have this. Cutting taxes to encourage job growth doesn't work on a national level and on average it doesn't work on a state level.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Jamie1
By the way, the title of this thread is false and misleading.

Sorry but the truth isn't false and misleading.
Kansas’ Ruinous Tax Cuts


“Our new pro-growth tax policy will be like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy,” he wrote in 2012. “It will pave the way to the creation of tens of thousands of new jobs, bring tens of thousands of people to Kansas, and help make our state the best place in America to start and grow a small business.”

But the growth didn’t show up. Kansas, in fact, was one of only five states to lose employment over the last six months, while the rest of the country was improving. It has been below the national average in job gains for the three and half years Mr. Brownback has been in office. Average earnings in the state are down since 2012, and so is net growth in the number of registered businesses.

With less money to spend, Kansas is forced to chop away at its only hope for real economic expansion: investment in public schools and colleges. While most states began restoring education funding after the recession, Kansas has cut K-12 spending by 2 percent over the last two school years, and higher education by 3 percent since 2012.

The evidence of failure is piling up around Mr. Brownback, whose re-election campaign is faltering because of his mistake. Yet he continues to cling to his magical ideology, pleading for more time. “It’s like going through surgery,” he told The Wall Street Journal last month. “It takes a while to heal and get growing afterwards.”

When you have to start cutting money from schools to cover tax cuts then the plan was a failure.
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posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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One of the problems with conclusions like the OP presented is that it assumes we have a simple economy. Our economy at both the local, state, and federal level is a massive and complicated behemoth. While we intuitively know how economic behavior works with a fixed set of variables, it is almost impossible to know how one individual change will affect the overall macro economy because of all the infinite variables; many of which we don't control.

No one can logically argue that taxes don't discourage economic growth. As I pointed out earlier, you can't logically tax cigarettes to stop or discourage cigarette sales but the argue out of the other side of your mouth that raising taxes on individuals and businesses will not negatively affect growth of those industries. It isn't logically consistent. In addition, you can see the affect the taxes have on the market with the growth of black market sales and looseys. Not too mention increased sales across the border where you won't have the same level of taxes.

When it comes to state taxes, you also have to look at the overall economy of said state. Kansas is not a high growth state, nor is it a state that has intangibles which drive people seeking to relocate to that state. To compare Kansas to a state like CA is just retarded. As someone mentioned, people move to CA IN SPITE OF the progressive issues because the put a high value on weather, silicon valley, universities, ocean, etc. All these other factors sometimes can over ride negative economic decisions made by the state. In the case of Kansas, the opposite could be true. Despite the low cost of living and lower taxes, at this point in time, Kansas is simply not a highly desirable state to live. No amount of tax cutting is going to get certain professionals to move there for work.

All things being equal, I'd rather live in a low tax state. However, the problem is all things are never equal and we have to make decisions within the sphere we can control.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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The Koch brothers run the show in Kansas.

They are the men behind the curtain there. Their agenda is everything to benefit the wealthy and this agenda is not good for Kansas as a whole.

The more one researches into the Koch brothers, the more one will see them for what they really are. And its not good.

And for the cheerleaders of the Right, save the Soros comeback stuff, because I cant stand he or the Koch borthers. Nor can I stand Republicans or Democrats who are ALL messing up this country for their OWN GAINS.

The SOLUTION involves siding with what is RIGHT and WRONG not siding with the LEFT or RIGHT. When people realize this, we may achieve something worthy for a change.
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