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I think the idea is more like if you do not forgive, do not expect forgiveness.
I don't believe in empirical "good and evil". I don't believe that God is, and thus are we, at war with factions that rebelled against God in "heaven" and now have it out for us.
God forgave man from the start, why do you think Adam was allowed to live? The fact that Jesus was sent as the "Lamb of God who removes the sin of the world", was God's justification for forgiving us. He is now justified in forgiving us because our sins are removed by the blood of the Lamb.
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Grimpachi
Trying to confuse and mislead?
The two apostles might not have been together every single second when Jesus was walking up the hill to be crucified. Maybe Mark had to take a piss and did not hear when Jesus spoke or maybe he was praying and crying out loud. There are millions of reasons.
Trying to show contradiction based upon the story from two different men aspects is ridiculous. That is the beauty of the Gospels - seeing the story told from an apostle and what he saw and experienced - not what others saw and heard.
Its not like they compared notes before turning in their work.
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Klassified
no need to research it myself anymore , decades of catholic private schooling covered it😏
originally posted by: windword
According to one of the most basic of the teachings of Jesus, our sins are forgiven upon the "act" of forgiving the sins we perceive people are committing against us.
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Jesus reaffirms this promise in "The Lord's Prayer":
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
There is a certain Christian teaching that disregards this mandate, and claims that Jesus had to die in order for you to be forgiven. And even then, they add that you must BELIEVE that your sins are ONLY forgiven through Jesus' death and blood shed, or your sins won't be forgiven at all, even though Jesus went through all that trouble, FOR "YOU"! (Ungrateful Heathen)
More contradictory teachings from the doctrine of these Christians goes on to claim that if your sins are not forgiven, you will be sorted like wheat from chaff, and your worthless essence will be burned away. Some insist that even that's not the end, and that God will award your soul to Satan to torture for eternity. All this because God, supposedly, can't be in the presence of your "sin" of non-belief.
Jesus teaches us something different in his Sermon on the Mount:
And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Who could be poorer in spirit than those who have no faith and do not believe?
The "True" message of salvation that Jesus' teachings impart is that our "sin" is forgiven by "God" ONLY when others' sin is forgiven by us. It's really simple.
Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.
originally posted by: TryAndStopTheFuture555
a reply to: windword
The question I would pose to you is this:
Are we unconditionally loved in the afterlife or not ?