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posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by faddinglight
Well, we know for sure that they DID exist, we just aren't completely sure if they still do. I'd bet that there's an 85% chance that they do. The world is a messed up place right now, someone has to take the blunt of it all, and I blame the illuminate, despite what others believe.


This is an interesting comment, and is worthy of elaboration because I posted a message concerning this type of viewpoint recently here. I'm not trying to pick on you because you believe that, but I think it's important to comment.

This post seems to show the tendency of people to cast blame on scapegoats in order to avoid personal responsibility. It's easy to say, "Well, the world stinks, so it has to be the Illuminati's fault." If not the Illuminati, we could say it was the Jews' fault, or the blacks, or the whites, or the Communists, or the Democrats, or the Republicans, or (insert your favorite scapegoat here).

But the fact of the matter is that, if there are truly problems in the world (and there seem to be many), then we ourselves must bear the same responsibility as everyone else.

I have previously shown on the Secret Societies forum that the Illuminati no longer exists, and when it did exist, it was a good thing, and was only demonized by its power-hungry opponents. But even if some secret cabal did exist that was hell-bent on world domination, it wouldn't change this argument in the least. We have the power and ability to make the world better or make it worse; we can elect whomever we want to lead us, and that effects the world. We can buy domestic goods which support our homegrown industries and workers, or we can elect to save a few bucks by shopping at corporate retailers that receive goods by enslaving children workers in China and South America.

All of our own personal choices have an effect on the whole, and real world change starts at home. We don't need to look into the shadows trying to discover some sort of conspiratorial enemy: we need only look in the mirror, and ask ourselves what we are doing.

If we are not doing our part to transform this world into a better place, then shame on us. It doesn't take a secret cabal to make the world unholy, it only takes our own selfishness, apathy, and refusal to accept responsibility for our selves and actions.




posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 03:55 PM
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Masonic Light what is your problem man? You must have an agenda to ignore the all the evidence about the conspiracy. The Illuminati controls all the money system, governments everything,everything the proof is so overwhelming I dare you to take me on about anything and I will easily prove you wrong. Im sorry but people like you make me so angry.



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by JesusistheonlywaytoGod
Masonic Light what is your problem man? You must have an agenda to ignore the all the evidence about the conspiracy. The Illuminati controls all the money system, governments everything,everything the proof is so overwhelming I dare you to take me on about anything and I will easily prove you wrong. Im sorry but people like you make me so angry.


what evidence??
there is no hardcore evidence



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 04:26 PM
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Well first off lets look at some corporate logos, a lame way to start I admit but they show off Illuminati symbology quite well and its a good way to see how people can dispute this ill keep proving more untill you have no doubts but this should do for now.

CBS-Eye
TIME WARNER-Eye with triple 6 spiral(really obvious)
AOL- Pyramid and eye
Shell-Sun Rays
NBC-Sun Rays
Bristol Myers Squibb-6 triangles with three sections(3+3=6.3+3=6,3+3=6)
Ameritrade-Pyramid and sun rays
Fidelity Investments-Great Seal
Target-Eye
HBO-O is eye
Citgo-Pyramid
Ram Trucks-Goat
Dole-Sun
Days Inn-Sun
Deny them how you will but what do you have to say of Ted Turner?????



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 04:37 PM
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so that proves they exists then does it?? logos mean nothing, most members will say that, even the ones who are true believers in the illuminati



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 04:42 PM
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Here's a quote that I just love by Masonic Light about the Illuminati. In realtion to other references I have on the topic this sums it up rather well.

ML, I hope you don't mind.


The Illuminati was originally a society of freethinkers and liberals called the Society of Perfectibilis, founded in 1774 at the University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria by Adam Weishaupt, a professor of Natural Philosophy. Both the college and the Bavarian government were under Jesuit control, and, in 1776, Weishaupt was fired for teaching "anti-Christian doctrines", i.e., Deist doctrines, separation of church and state, and secular education.

The Society was re-organized after this incident, and they changed their names to "Illuminati", indicating their allegiance to the "Age of Enlightenment" over what is known as the "dark ages", i.e., the period where all European life was strictly controlled by the Church and its dogma.

Influenced by the American Revolution, Weishaupt re-structured the Illuminati to be similar to Freemasonry and the American secret society called Sons of Liberty who were responsible for launching the Revolution against England (and most probably the Boston Tea Party).

The Jesuit Electorate soon infiltrated the Illuminati with secret agents, and many of their members were arrested for participating in revolutionary activities. Weishaupt fled to Prussia, where he wrote his memoires "In Defense of Illuminism", in exile.

Because the Roman Church wished to completely suppress freethinking societies, they launched a propaganda campaign distorting their agenda. For example, when the Illuminati called for separation of church and state, the Church called this "destruction of Christianity." When the Illuminati called for free, popular democratic elections, the Church called this "anarchy". When the Illuminati called for equal rights between men and women, the Church called this "destruction of the family."

Modern conspiracy theory concerning the Illuminati is a direct descendent of this Jesuit disinformation campaign. In reality, the Illuminati was short-lived, and was always poplulated by government spies who kept tabs on the order's leaders and their agendas.

Famous members of the Illuminati include Weishaupt, Baron Adolph von Knigge, the poet Johannes von Goethe, the alchemist and physician Comte de St. Germaine, and composer Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Mozart dedicated his final opera, "Die Zauberflote" ("The Magic Flute") to the Illuminati, and to Freemasonry, of which he was also a member.



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 04:44 PM
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Ok who was responsible for 911? Im asking infinite I just want to talk to him cause the rest of you are letting Masonic Light brainwash you.
Theres so much evidence I cant possibly get to all of it but we`ll take it one at a time.
[edit on 22-12-2004 by JesusistheonlywaytoGod]

[edit on 22-12-2004 by JesusistheonlywaytoGod]



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by JesusistheonlywaytoGod
Ok who was responsible for 911? Im asking infinite I just want to talk to him cause the rest of you are letting Masonic Light brainwash you.



The CIA allowed Islamic Terrorists, which it funded and setup, so America can start a war in the middle east. Masonic Ligh is not "brainwashing" no one. He is trying to put some sense, so that people dont start believing everything they read on the internet.

I have only seen one thing that has made me think about the illuminati still existing, that was a membership card that was photocopied on a documentry that did seem real on first impression. None of the insiders or ex members stories are believeable, as a member once said, if you was a member of the illuminati and was leaving to show the world their actions, you would grab a lot of evidence to back up your claims. None of them did. If David Icke says that the former member stories are too "bizzare" to believe.



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 05:00 PM
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Islamic Terrorists???? No one was in those airplanes man are you nuts? The aerial maneuvers that were performed would put an unbearable amount of G-force on the pilot and hijackers.
What about the Federal Reserve? The action of the traitor Woodrow Wilson that went against the constitution and gave the international bankers the right to print our money and LOAN it to us with interest? Do you deny that the bankers are ultimately behind the Illuminati?



posted on Dec, 22 2004 @ 05:59 PM
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I assume we can get back to a sensible conversation now?



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 06:46 AM
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Quote: "Because the Roman Church wished to completely suppress Freethinking Societies, they launched a Propaganda Campaign distorting their agenda. For example, when the Illuminati called for separation of church and state, the Church called this "destruction of Christianity." When the Illuminati called for free, popular democratic elections, the Church called this "anarchy". When the Illuminati called for equal rights between men and women, the Church called this "destruction of the family."

Modern Conspiracy Theory concerning the Illuminati is a direct descendent of this Jesuit Disinformation Campaign.

In reality, the Illuminati was short-lived, and was always populated by government spies who kept tabs on the order's leaders and their agendas."

And the Roman Catholic Church Jesuit Mafia STILL has their Spies Penetrating into the Business of the Order! DANM THEM!
What do they have against FREE THINKING? Separation of CHURCH & STATE NOW!!!

-Give me LIBERTY or give me DEATH!!!


[edit on 23-12-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]



posted on Dec, 23 2004 @ 04:35 PM
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Another theory that is being overlooked. Ill share brief statement. It surrounds 13 bloodlines that are believed to be traced back to atlantis (i think). All the world leaders are believed to be selected based on bloodline. You can read more about this on the interet, search "illuminati 13 bloodlines2 or get a book by David Icke called "Children of the Matrix".



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 02:04 AM
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Infinite, who is this "JesusistheonlywaytoGod" cat? I see that you've quoted him, but I don't see any of his posts.

It looks like he may be involved in a conspiracy against me!



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Infinite, who is this "JesusistheonlywaytoGod" cat? I see that you've quoted him, but I don't see any of his posts.

It looks like he may be involved in a conspiracy against me!




I dont see his posts either

i think he is on global ignore



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by npareed
What is/are the Illuminati? I have heard about them, but I don't know where they came from, who they are, or what their agenda is. If you have more info please let me know or point me to a previous post about the subject.


Thanks,
Patrick


there's lots of subjective opinions with lots of supporting evidence which
point to NWO, Communists, Nazis, Masons, Catholics, Crowley, Crusaders, Rennaissance men, Inquisitions, Bankers, Nobility....etc etc
IMO, the 'illuminati' is a condition of social-mind, civilization.

recall the two sayings or adages, uttered by Jesus;
'Do not be troubled' & 'the poor will always be with you'

in my consideration, the philosophical Jesus laid it out
very simple...the poor (always with us), are poor in spirit because
of lack in conviction of spirit / faith...and not joining the proto-communistic community of 'believers'
Also, the poor (always with us) are poor in material wealth....
as a result of the 'system' which generates & venerates; dominant personnages, &/or predatory practices by that group of 'rich/ wealthy' which feed off the poor

So, the always with us 'poor'...have to have a reason for their condition,
and one of the boogy-men is 'Illuminati'.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On a more esoteric level. the theme of 'Illuminati' probably goes back to antiquity...someones reply said Atlantian roots?....I suggest that the Genesis story, in the era before the flood is one of the basis for 'Illuminati'
- - for the scholars in here, i agree that the Sumerian myths predated the Genesis Story....and the Nephilim/Raphia were latterday manifestations of the Annenukki of Sumer-Babylonian origins.
All these names for 'fallen angels' were/are the root cause of Illuminati=
enlightened ones....

keep searching, the answers in the 'journey'



posted on Dec, 24 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio
On a more esoteric level. the theme of 'Illuminati' probably goes back to antiquity...someones reply said Atlantian roots?....I suggest that the Genesis story, in the era before the flood is one of the basis for 'Illuminati'
- - for the scholars in here, i agree that the Sumerian myths predated the Genesis Story....and the Nephilim/Raphia were latterday manifestations of the Annenukki of Sumer-Babylonian origins.
All these names for 'fallen angels' were/are the root cause of Illuminati=
enlightened ones....

keep searching, the answers in the 'journey'


Thank you St Udio for that post
i totally agree what you have stated


Most will agree, that with the illuminati, everyone has a different story to add to the debate. I have heard so many different theories over the years that i could probably become the next David Icke



posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 08:25 PM
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I also believe that you can trace them back through history to pre date Jesus, much more than just a few centuries, with evidence/research to back it u. I would recommend looking up David Icke for his research, also for the huge number of sources he has used himself. I do find the most ridiculous thing i have read on this thread about them is there being a "membership form".



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by paranoia
I would recommend looking up David Icke for his research, also for the huge number of sources he has used himself.


Thats what i have been doing very lately,
his book, Children of the Matrix, i am currently looking up all his sources



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by Indigo_Child


Nobody knows who or what is at the top of the pyramid, but what is at the top, is the real Illumanti, and it's very evil.


top of illluminati pyramid = ananukia! (spelling?) Woo!



posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 05:09 AM
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We need an research project on the illuminati here at ATS, one which is going to run different. I still need to speak to SkepticOverlord and SimonGray.



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