US sanctions North Korea over Sony cyberattack

I guess the WH didn't get the message that NK wasn't proven to have attacked SONY.

Here's a question for you...What usually happens as a result of sanctions by the US? Did you guess war? Yes the US has imposed sanctions on NK before over their Nuke program but I have a feeling this is a setup of a different sort.

www.cnn.com...

This is what makes me curious:

The White House says this is just the first part of the U.S. response to the Sony incident.

The first part? What does that mean? And where's the proof of NK being guilty of these accusations other than the WH saying "Because we say so" and just moving ahead?

Also, what is the GOVT. doing in this mess anyways? SONY is a corporation...wait. I just answered that question.

Peace

a reply to: jude11

Gotta keep up making wars- how else can you keep increasing the number of post-service police officers on the streets?

Gonna need that military mentality when it all goes to #.

a reply to: jude11

Obama said he had determined North Korea was behind the Sony hack and that the country poses a "continuing threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States."
Among the agencies targeted by the new sanctions Friday was the Reconnaissance General Bureau, an intelligence agency the U.S. said was responsible for "major cyber operations" in North Korea.
The new sanctions also target officials at North Korea's Mining Development Trading Corporation, which the U.S. says is responsible for the country's arms dealing and weapons export business.
Seven officials who represent North Korea's arms dealing trade in Africa, Iran, Russia and Syria were designated by the U.S. Treasury as subject to the new economic sanctions.

So let's understand what just happened.

According to Obama, it took the N. Koreans hacking Sony to figure out they were up to no good, and to justify sanctions against the Reconnaissance General Bureau and their Mining Development Trading Corporation, which the U.S. says is responsible for the country's arms dealing and weapons export business.

WTF?

Is this what the U.S. leadership has come to? We "sanction" N. Korea because they exposed some embarrassing emails about our entertainment industry and we wouldn't have figured out they're dealing arms to our enemies otherwise?

originally posted by: Jamie1
a reply to: jude11

Obama said he had determined North Korea was behind the Sony hack and that the country poses a "continuing threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States."
Among the agencies targeted by the new sanctions Friday was the Reconnaissance General Bureau, an intelligence agency the U.S. said was responsible for "major cyber operations" in North Korea.
The new sanctions also target officials at North Korea's Mining Development Trading Corporation, which the U.S. says is responsible for the country's arms dealing and weapons export business.
Seven officials who represent North Korea's arms dealing trade in Africa, Iran, Russia and Syria were designated by the U.S. Treasury as subject to the new economic sanctions.

So let's understand what just happened.

According to Obama, it took the N. Koreans hacking Sony to figure out they were up to no good, and to justify sanctions against the Reconnaissance General Bureau and their Mining Development Trading Corporation, which the U.S. says is responsible for the country's arms dealing and weapons export business.

WTF?

Is this what the U.S. leadership has come to? We "sanction" N. Korea because they exposed some embarrassing emails about our entertainment industry and we wouldn't have figured out they're dealing arms to our enemies otherwise?

Nicely summed up.

Peace

originally posted by: jude11

The White House says this is just the first part of the U.S. response to the Sony incident.

The first part? What does that mean? And where's the proof of NK being guilty of these accusations other than the WH saying "Because we say so" and just moving ahead?

Peace

Yeah, my thinking as well, who says it has been proven that the NK did the deed? And can we even trust someone who says they proved it?

The funniest thing is now the WH are policemen for the entertainment industry re the ex statement above? WTF is up with that? Especially since Sony is not even US based, their head office is at 1-7-1 Konan, Minato-ku, Tokyo 108-0075, Japan

Brings to mind that the WH is "Team America, World Police" and then I remembered the SCAT part of that movie LOL.

Cheers - Dave

Why aren't people out on the street demanding evidence that it was NK?

The ramifications of another lie being told to U.S people are potentially massive. This could lead to conflict, because once you have nothing, you have nothing to lose.

The U.S Government should provide proof to the U.N that it was definitely NK, before any sanctions are applied to them. Everyone demands evidence on ATS, yet you appear to be rather reticent about the whole thing. Demand evidence to support allegations, especially when it comes to potentially hitting the common folk the most. They are devoted to their leader and how many of you can say that about Obama?

Rob ford for president !
At least he wouldn't make a mess like the rest have , he'd be too high .
On a serious note , it's funny watching the American government lol .
Capitol Hill more like benny hill

a reply to: jude11

Also, what is the GOVT. doing in this mess anyways? SONY is a corporation...

If Sony was a US corporation, it might make some sense.

If anything, Japan should be doing the sanctions.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: jude11

Also, what is the GOVT. doing in this mess anyways? SONY is a corporation...

If Sony was a US corporation, it might make some sense.

If anything, Japan should be doing the sanctions.

SONY was founded by the Rockerfellas and stands for Standard Oil New York, didn't you know this?

a reply to: jude11

CNN link sends us to the homepage of CNN Jude, just thought you might like to know.



As for sanctions...

I didn't know DPRK had trade relations with anyone who the U.S can influence to cause a problem for Pyongyang...

China won't stop trade relations with them because of U.S sanctions...


Iran are being sanctioned by the U.S as well so they won't stop being partners with DPRK.
Same goes for Russia...



I thought sanctions were all about Allies withholding trade for another Allies sake...


Doesn't seem that any of DPRK's trade links are Allies of the U.S.





Aside from all of that, as Jude said, where is the proof?

The only reason they suspected NK was on the basis of South Korean testimony because of the Seoul Hacks last year...
& the DPRK denied that as well.


Strange decision to be honest.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
The US is using false pretenses to attack liberties and set up regime changes?

Shocking and unexpected..

I feel some serious deja vu.

When we look at actions like this in a historical context, things become more clear. It'll be a little different, but the overall goal (and general method) remains pretty consistent.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: jude11

Also, what is the GOVT. doing in this mess anyways? SONY is a corporation...

If Sony was a US corporation, it might make some sense.

If anything, Japan should be doing the sanctions.

SONY was founded by the Rockerfellas and stands for Standard Oil New York, didn't you know this?

What I know is that Sony was founded in Japan in 1946 by Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita, and SONY was from a combination of the words Sonus and Sonny.
It is accessible on the Internet.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: jude11

CNN link sends us to the homepage of CNN Jude, just thought you might like to know.



As for sanctions...

I didn't know DPRK had trade relations with anyone who the U.S can influence to cause a problem for Pyongyang...

China won't stop trade relations with them because of U.S sanctions...


Iran are being sanctioned by the U.S as well so they won't stop being partners with DPRK.
Same goes for Russia...



I thought sanctions were all about Allies withholding trade for another Allies sake...


Doesn't seem that any of DPRK's trade links are Allies of the U.S.





Aside from all of that, as Jude said, where is the proof?

The only reason they suspected NK was on the basis of South Korean testimony because of the Seoul Hacks last year...
& the DPRK denied that as well.


Strange decision to be honest.

My bad. I'll edit if I still have time.

It truly seems that the US wants to sanction the World doesn't it?

Peace

a reply to: butcherguy

I agree .made up charges by amreica
they sure do try hard to fool us
Iran hasnt started a war in 200 years but they
still sanction them
If you are not playing the game with amreica
you better watch out or youl be next
for the bully boy treatmeant .

They didn't hack Sony, they hacked Sony Pictures Entertainment. An American company, originally founded as Columbia Pictures. It was eventually merged with TriStar Pictures, another American company, after Coca Cola sold off their shares. Eventually, Columbia TriStar Pictures was purchased by Sony. However, is still based, operated, etc... in the United States.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

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Tbh I don't want to see the evidence North Korea committed the attack neither do I care if they didn't ...use any excuse they want to reap more punishments on them IMO

I want to see more punishment on North Korea for being such an insane backwards nation and making threats to kill millions of civilians with nuclear weapons

People/country's who behave in such ways should not be aloud to socialise with the rest of the modern civilisation/world and any means they use to make these threats should be cut off

So sanctions is the perfect answer

You guys can all carry on licking Kimmys bum and feeling sorry for him all you like. You also should up your dosage of meds

originally posted by: mivec
a reply to: butcherguy

I agree .made up charges by amreica
they sure do try hard to fool us
Iran hasnt started a war in 200 years but they
still sanction them
If you are not playing the game with amreica
you better watch out or youl be next
for the bully boy treatmeant .

Your right...

GIVE EVERYBODY NUKES and turn a blind eye, I'm feeling pretty irresponsible tonight

It's all over Scandinavian news too, and the reporters gather behind the lame story that North Korea was behind this, which imho is CLEARLY debunked.

Are they still new years eve drunk in the white house ?

This is almost as laughable as the passport on 9/11 - sadly the masses will gobble it up

Why arent all the people who have been so ardent that Obamas foreign policy is good, on here commenting on this?

Where are his supporters to defend these actions?

Honestly how can anyone look at this president and say he has their interests in mind.......

This guy is a zealot of the highest order.......