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Something From Nothing? The Origin And Subsequent Inflation Of The Singularity.

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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: Woodcarver
There are several competing theories for how the particles that make up the physical world interact. These theories are generally worked up by the professors and students at different universities or teams made up from combinations of the above.

None of these theories are complete. That is, they do not offer a complete explanation, and are full of unexplained processes. But they are all generally valid in the claims that they do make. In another decade these theories will be added upon and they will give a slightly better explanation of what we observe. Progress is slow because of the limited amount of properly trained scientists. Not to mention all of the garbage that unproperly trained scientists come up with. Progress is always a battle on many fronts.


a reply to: MissSmartypants

So in other words they and you don't know either. Even we nonscientists feel the need to ponder such things. I just wish I had more math. And again, if it always existed in some other form...when did always start and what caused it to start?
. It would be an honest assertion to say that we don't know everything. It would not be fair to say that we know very little. We have a massive amount of actual knowledge. This knowledge will not change over time. It will only be added to, understood more completely. We will not make a discovery that disproves our understanding of math or the formulas that we use to describe and understand our environment. We have a large part of the puzzle. But it is not yet complete.




posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: the2ofusr1

The idea is that it existed in a different form before the expansion of space. So the beginning of our universe would not really be the beginning of everything.
a reply to: Woodcarver
I have heard it said that the scientist can only account for 4% of the universe and that the other 96% is made up of dark matter ,black holes ,and things we cant prove but know that are there .


This number is generally thrown around as accurate but most folks understand that it is not really accepted as an accurate model. We know that there are variables that we do not understand. Basically the data set, the amount of information we have, is not large enough to get an accurate depiction of how much matter exists. So the formula we would use to come to this conclusion is incomplete.



Imagine only having a small percentage of that 4% of matter in which to draw conclusions on the other 96+% of the universe .

This in not an acurate comparison. There are plenty of things that we do know. Particle physics is well understood. That includes everything on the periodic table plus many theoretical particles which were predicted before we ever simulated them in the many particle accelerators that are currently operational.



That is a very small sample of data .You say everything but we know so little about our own planet in which we find new species on land and have a fraction of knowledge of the deep oceans . Surly we humans cannot give ourselves a passing grade with such small amount of knowledge .


You act like we dont know anything. We know plenty.


Most of the scientific literature holds words like could be , maybe ,suppose and other such none empirical terms .

That is theoretical physics. Basically when you hear words like that, they are predicting what the math says we should/could see.

There is plenty of science that is no longer theoretical.



Yes we do have a lot to learn but 10 years is too short a time frame to even consider scratching the surface of what may be . ETA ..something that science should really take serious and then work on one theory at a time instead of several at once .Surely they can use math to reduce it down to the most probable .



It makes no sense to work on only one at a time. There are different teams that have separate paths of experimentation. It is important to come at these problems from different angles. Then these teams come together and discuss their findings. That is good science.
We don't know how much or little we don't know yet.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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Surly if something as small as a atom or as big as a universe can be measured in different directions one could or should be able to find a center .Even a best guess might be appropriate one would think .
a reply to: stormcell



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 08:48 PM
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Most bodies of science's are compartmentalized and when and if some get together ,not all have equal time or status .One of the reoccurring themes in science is that if your not going to toe the line then you will not get the funding and will be relegated to the cheap seats .Like some scientist in the past that made new discoveries but were rejected by the scientific community ,only to be considered 40 or 50 years after the fact .It's a hard place to get recognized if you go against the status quo .Well that is the nature of the beast we call science . a reply to: Woodcarver



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Most bodies of science's are compartmentalized and when and if some get together ,not all have equal time or status .One of the reoccurring themes in science is that if your not going to toe the line then you will not get the funding and will be relegated to the cheap seats .Like some scientist in the past that made new discoveries but were rejected by the scientific community ,only to be considered 40 or 50 years after the fact .It's a hard place to get recognized if you go against the status quo .Well that is the nature of the beast we call science . a reply to: Woodcarver

The only people who ive seen repeat this meme are pseudoscientists, or just people with no idea how things are handled in academia. There are a lot of pretenders out there. The only way to separate the wheat from the chaff, is to educate yourself as much as possible. Youtube videos don't count. Science is very straight forward in it's process. All claims should be heavily scrutinized. Even mine. But wild speculation by uneducated people is rampant. And just because we dont know everything does not mean that anything is possible. We do have a lot of the model understood. It is only at the fringes of our knowledge that things are unclear. Math and formulas are the light that guide the way. Many mathematical predictions have turned out to be true.


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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 03:46 AM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants


Why didn't the singularity remain in that state forever?
It did.

What acted upon it to cause it to begin to expand/ inflate if there was nothing else?
Nothing.

The true state of all things is no thingness - light is not a thing. There is just one image of light.
There is only PRESENCE.

There is only the present and out of it and in it arises all dreamt concepts - all things are dreamt now (by Presence).

Basically NOW is all there is and there may seem to be an individual that is separate from NOW - the separate person is an illusion. When the illusion of you being separate from all that is lifts away it will be realized that THIS IS the singularity.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 04:34 AM
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Image seeing a tv with patterns and colours moving on it - the moving patterns and colours are made of little pixels of light.
If the tv is off there is no light seen on the screen.
However, the screen is still present but it is empty.

You are the empty screen - you are the emptiness. In deep sleep you are like the tv screen with nothing appearing on it - you are nothing.
When the tv is switched on the screen is filled with pixels of light, just the same as when the light appears in the waking state you become full of light - notice though that it is all contained on that one screen.

You are the emptiness (empty screen, always here) which becomes full of moving light.
You are still, seeing movement.

Where are separate things when this is realized?


A few posts back the vacuum with virtual particles experiment was mentioned...........You are the vacuum with virtual particles appearing and disappearing - the virtual particles are never apart from you. The vacuum is like the ocean and the virtual particles are just you waving.
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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 06:47 AM
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You don't get something from nothing unless you write all the rules like I do when i run a computer program.

Then you can have any rules you like just like our laws of physics and have little avatars running around that have DNA computer code in their design.

To our creator we are little more than simple nano-bots building a super machine that is something like the internet we are building today and we ourselves are starting to look more and more like machines as parts of our body get replaced as we get old.

In my program the world turns upside down each night but no one falls off!



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

In my program the world turns upside down each night but no one falls off!

Each night when you enter deep sleep the world and the universe and all things disappear.
Deep sleep is the space in which the light seems to make separate things - just like the space in the computer that the programs run in.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: VirusGuard

In my program the world turns upside down each night but no one falls off!

Each night when you enter deep sleep the world and the universe and all things disappear.
Deep sleep is the space in which the light seems to make separate things - just like the space in the computer that the programs run in.

Garbage like this is what i am referring to when i mentioned there are many pretenders. These types of posts are wild speculation from uneducated people. All this does is muddy the water and keeps people from understanding what reality is.

He has no work to back up these claims and obviously just thought this crap up on the spot. It is anti science and it will possibly be repeated later on by someone who thinks it is actual science.

This is the main reason why people dont understand the difference between what real scientists actually claim and what regular dolts say that science claims.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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The web is a great tool that produces the variety of inquire for all . YT is such a one that has alternative News that can be much better at getting to the truth of a matter then MSM . Climate Audit climateaudit.org... is a great site that looks at scientific work and finds the flaws and frauds of ,not pseudo scientist but the supposedly real ones . TED talks is a great place to listen to different people except for maybe a scientist of academic that offers a very controversial subject that might change the status quo .Rupert Sheldrake - The Science Delusion BANNED TED TALK is a good example of censorship. The case between Mark Sterne and Micheal Mann is another case working it's way through the system that deals with corruption collusion as well as censorship or to keep opposing science away from the public's eye .

There is and has been concerted efforts to hide the truth and give the public Myth just like it was done back in the days of the Pharaoh's of Egypt ,back then the called them the god of this or that .Today we call some of them a climate scientist ,with predictions ,or projections or forecasts and with the cure to appease the weather god and defeat the evil co2 deamon ...
I often wonder who decides what a real scientist is and what is a valid subject of study . Questions like ,does a real scientist have to have a lab coat ? Does a scientist even need a lab ? I guess you can be a armature scientist and even make real discoveries . You can be a professional scientist and make no discoveries .Maybe that is why the need for the lab coat .Give a sense of real belonging . a reply to: Woodcarver



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: the2ofusr1

Material space my be finite but the force behind it is not. Matter decays, the force behind it does not. Matter derives from energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed. The particular form that energy takes may change but the energy itself does not.

If energy is eternal (conservation of energy) then so is the universe because the universe is energy.
Quantum physicists say that in a quantum vacuum, which is a space containing no energy, quantum particles pop in and out of existence continually which would seem to contradict conservation of energy...unless there is some other dimension that these quantum particles are coming from.


Well if there is a multiverse with infinate dimentions, and various higher and lower manifestations of other dimentions other than what we know of perhaps one leads to another. For example a simulated universe would be made by another higher dimention.

We could have infinate simulations within infinate simulations, one within another and another as more advanced universes or worlds simulate the universe as they wish to see it.

Now on to the singularity it has always been one and will always be one, meaning it has always conatined all space and time and always will.

The singularity is also the size of a particle, has always been that size and will always be that size, and so is the infinate universe we see as massive. The universe is made of particles which are themselves the singularity in its totality.

Using superpostition we see that the BIG BANG is everywhere and everytime, however due to our perception of it with our linear tools and point of view it appears to have happened 13 billion years ago.

CERN has found black holes within particles not just some particles, but all particles.

From a black hole comes the BIG BANG at the other end, meaning within every particle there is a singularity/black hole and a BIG BANG at the other side.

Dark energy and dark matter expand the universe and everything in it including us in our physical forms infinatly.

So to summarize everything is infinate and this universe has simply come from another ad infinitum.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Woodcarver
Does one need to be educated to notice that there seems to be nothing appearing in deep sleep? When one 'enters' deep sleep one does not experience anything - one might say there is nothing but darkness. I am not trying to convince you and you can ask a scientist if you wish but only direct looking will show whether what I say is true or not. It is not something that can be believed or not - check it out yourself.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Woodcarver



Garbage like this is what i am referring to when i mentioned there are many pretenders. These types of posts are wild speculation from uneducated people. All this does is muddy the water and keeps people from understanding what reality is.


At a guess i would say that i know more about physics and DNA than you would ever know and I have leters after my name in two fields of technology so STFU when calling me "uneducated" will you and try to debunk what ik said, point by point if you like.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:12 AM
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Does one need to be educated to notice that there seems to be nothing appearing in deep sleep?


Being so called educated just means that you can spit things out like a parrot and you become enslaved to what others have told you, hard to escape.

Thinking for ones self puts you well ahead of anyone even with an high IQ if you put your mind to it.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard
It is ok - Woodcarver was not replying/referring to your post when he/she said it was 'garbage'.
Look again



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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

a reply to: VirusGuard


In my program the world turns upside down each night but no one falls off!


Each night when you enter deep sleep the world and the universe and all things disappear.

Deep sleep is the space in which the light seems to make separate things - just like the space in the computer that the programs run in.



Garbage like this is what i am referring to when i mentioned there are many pretenders. These types of posts are wild speculation from uneducated people. All this does is muddy the water and keeps people from understanding what reality is.



He has no work to back up these claims and obviously just thought this crap up on the spot. It is anti science and it will possibly be repeated later on by someone who thinks it is actual science.



This is the main reason why people dont understand the difference between what real scientists actually claim and what regular dolts say that science claims.




Oh care to illumine us to your qualifications on defining everyones reality?
Just for you because your cherry picking negatives, and looking for the bad.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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I noticed you didnt ask anyone else about their qualifications. So lets all offer a bit of full disclosure.

I hold several degrees in physics, i am a materials specialist and i run an engineering firm here in the states.

What are your qualifications?

a reply to: FormOfTheLord


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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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CERN has found black holes within particles not just some particles, but all particles.


They often talk about "particles" when they don't know what they are talking about but i take it you are talking about Ups, Downs, Glingons and quarks that they get by smashing atoms togeather and they decay in a tenth of a micro second ?

All our tools are made from Atoms so just how do we measure or see something in a microscope that is smaller than the size of the attoms in the glass making up the microscope and what can we learn for something we can only study for a 0.00000000000001 seconds

I don't think we can say that we know what created life or made the earth 14bn years or so ago by watching pool balls crash into eachother on a table do you ? Sounds like some Rastaman shaking some bones and saying that he can see the future.



From a black hole comes the BIG BANG at the other end, meaning within every particle there is a singularity/black hole and a BIG BANG at the other side.


Black holes are just a theory and the best we have seen so far is just 6 pixels of something at the center of the milkyway using gama radiation because optical light gets blocked by all the gas and looking at staic on an old black and white TV won't give you a picture of the universe or much else but thats about all they have about the left over of the big bang.

Tell me should i be looking north or south to look back at the big bang or are we anywhere near the center ? Facts are they don't know and are filling the holes with the best theory they can come up with.

Something from nothing just does not cut it for me



Dark energy and dark matter expand the universe and everything in it including us in our physical forms infinatly.


Both Dark energy and dark matter were dreamed up to make the numbers balance but its OK because Quatum physics says that trying to measure anything changes the state anyway.

I've got this black hat, its got nothing in it and if you are wondering why its so heavy then thats because of my magical dark matter inside the hat. Now all watch this attomic flash as i pull a rabbit out of the hat and for my next trick I will show you spooky action at a distance.
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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:55 AM
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Here is how "science and scientist have failed . So two particle physicist are cutting and chopping up particles until one day they cut the smallest thing they had and it disappeared . They looked at each other wondering where the thing went . So one said ,maybe we should get ahold of the Metaphysics Dept . Oh wait, we dont have that dept. Well maybe we should start one they thought . So they take it up with the head honchos but are told , No we will not because THERE IS NO GOD < THERE IS NO GOD




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