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Prince Andrew named in Pedophile case....Royal Family becoming EXPOSED!!!

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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat

If the girl in question said ok its not rape. Morally its still wrong, but with her "consent" its not rape. Depending or course on the age of consent in that country.




posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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Its interesting to see on a website like ATS that trial by media happens.

That and trial by hatred (of the Royal Family)

And that logical thinking (simply naming isn't proof) also goes out of the window.

And I'm not defending anyone here - I am pointing out that at present, this is 9+ pages of total, absolute abject speculation with no detail whatsoever apart from someones allegation.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: neformore
that's nothing unusual




posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: stumason

What do you mean embarrassing? It isnt just sex.....it is rape...sex slave. This was without consent and is a crime. Anyone else would be in custody. I am sure alot more is going to come to light. I also remember that epstein had tried to hide his links to the Prince, now i see why.
Also Epstein has been linked to abusing children and thus by association Prince Andrew will be too. Thats why to attempt to cut ties and hide all.

Thank god someone finally speaking sense. Quite shocked at the blasé attitudes of MOST commenters on here.

This isn't a party where a girl had 1 too many drinks. She was used abused raped and tossed around parties as a sex slave by some of the most powerful men in the country.

Speaking out about these crimes is incredibly difficult and attitudes like the people on here are the reason why these victims stay quiet.

This is happening.

The truth is coming to the surface.

Please respect victims of rape and human trafficking sex slaves. It is rife and goes right up to the elite highest ranking powerful people.

Dismissing it in this way is utterly shocking and not what i thought I'd see on ATS.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Ridhya

As I thought I had made clear, I am in no way defending the Prince's honour here, because clearly even if he is not a child abuser by the standard of the nation of his birth, he is a lecherous scumbag, with no personal honour or sense of chivalry what so ever, and his conduct is unbecoming of his station.

However, I still maintain that a)

Unless a case is bought against him, the allegations where they specifically refer to him breaking the law are at the very least questionable, and that any case based on what we know at the moment, would be circumstantial in its entirety.

b)

That Prince Andrew is not a child abuser, and I will not believe that he is unless I hear of a case involving his person, where the victim was considered by British law, to be a minor.

c)

That a persons name should not be bought up publicly in a court document or in evidence, unless they are a material part of any proceedings and more specifically in this case, unless they are actually being accused and warrants issued for their arrest based on evidence beyond witness testimony alone.


Some things to think about....

1: How did the girl know Epstein?
2: How was the girl available to Epstein?

No one has said yet how she met Epstein. If she were a prostitute and she went willingly with Epstein, then that's a different story than just meeting some random 17 year-old in the mall.

I am sure that the truth will eventually come out, but it doesn't seem too strange to me that there are many women and teenage girls in England right now who would want to have sex with one of the royal family. Right now, if William wanted to, a million teenage girls in England would be jumping on that chance.

But to say it is rape, that is going to be hard to prove because it is simply right now "he said, she said". She didn't go to the police that evening.

This lawsuit was filed in the US, in Florida. She might not be able to do anything, there may be a statute of limitations. But if she was 17 in 1999, she definitely was 20 in 2002.

Firstpost

The events allegedly took place between 1999 and 2002. The woman is said to have been 17 at the time. Prince Andrew has not had any opportunity to respond to the allegations in the legal claim. A Buckingham Palace spokesperson said that they would never comment on an ongoing legal matter.


That's going to be a tough one, because it happened so long ago. He said, she said.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: gortex

Like most other normal people, then?

Jeebus, I could be guilty of "historic offences" - I remember a party at my friends house when we were 19, we had some girls round who we thought we 16+ but turns out some were slightly under.. Thankfully, the one I chose was 16, but my mate woke up in the morning with a 15 year old and she started claiming she was raped (she was more than willing the night before though)..

Thankfully for my mate, her friends sorted her out, but my point is crap like this happens the world over...

You go to a mates house, you're single (or not, it happens), the drink flows and he (like many, many other blokes would) said "lets get some girls"...

It's not like they went out kidnapping children, but instead we have a sexually mature and for all intents and purposes a "willing" participant being brought back to somewhere. How many underage girls do something they regret after a Friday night out on the town in the UK - a lot, I can tell you. It was a minefield when I was a lad as you couldn't tell if a girl was 14 or 21, once they have the makeup on, the clothing etc.

Just what the level of coercion was, or in fact if there was any at all, is a mystery and many here are assuming total guilt without even so much as hearing the victims testimony, much less any defence. I also still think it stinks that no criminal charges have been sought - it's part of a private lawsuit.

God forbid any of you get given Jury duty.


Why has this moron comment got so many stars? Sorry but have you raped a girl and used her a sex slave to be then raped by your high powered friend? Either you are extremely dense or haven't read up on this correctly.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

If true, the key word some seem to be missing is "slave"

Which isn't about age or prostitution done willing, but slavery and no choice what so ever



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Just found the law for Florida Statute of Limitations


Criminal Cases For criminal cases, a prosecutor may file a charge of aggravated rape at any time, regardless of the age of the victim, and with no limitation on time. This is unique to criminal law, as murder is typically the only offense that does not a time limitation. It may be due largely to the nature of aggravated rape, which generally involves a weapon, more than one person, or seriously physically injures the victim. Prosecution for sexual assault or abuse has a statute of limitations of four years. However, there is an exception made for DNA analysis, which allows for the prosecution of a rapist anytime within one year of the discovery of DNA evidence, even if it is discovered after the ordinary statute of limitations period ran out. Several years ago, the Supreme court ruled that retroactively changing the statute of limitations in order to prosecute crimes from long ago was unconstitutional. Notwithstanding, Florida's current statute of limitations for sexual battery on a minor is also unlimited, a drastic change from it's previous limit of 4 years.


Legally, she can't get him for sexual battery, that limitation has passed, the only thing she can charge him with is rape. That is going to be hard to prove.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I think it's worth pointing out this story has nothing to do with the alleged paedophile ring in the upper echelons of the British establishment. That's another matter completely.


And your supporting evidence for this comment is..?



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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and I have posted this in other threads

sex trafficking is on rise around the world

Human trafficking and slavery are on the rise
www.examiner.com...



Nearly 30 million people are estimated to be in some form of slavery in the world today - more than at any point in human history. Human trafficking is a major issue, and it shows no signs of slowing down. It is an over $30 billion industry worldwide, and is one of the fastest growing areas of international crime. It is now illegal in every country on earth, with Mauritania being the most recent country to criminalize the practice in 2007. Despite this change, human trafficking is still a common practice in that country, with around 4 percent of the population estimated to be slaves. Modern slavery comes in many forms. Sex trafficking, child and other types of forced labor, organ harvesting, and forced marriages are the main sources of the issue. In the United States alone there are thousands of slaves, though exact numbers are difficult to come by. It has even become a major rallying cry against the Islamic State, according to The Daily Beast today.




Sex trafficking is the type that comes to most peoples’ mind when they think of modern slavery. Women and children are kidnapped and forced to work as prostitutes or porn workers against their will. This type of slavery makes up about 21 million, or two thirds, of the slaves in the world today. This often happens when people are attempting to migrate or immigrate and others coerce them into sexual acts as a sort of trade for facilitating the process for them.

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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 01:02 PM
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And that logical thinking (simply naming isn't proof) also goes out of the.


lol, you cant just say naming isn't proof. Its not proof of guilt, but its certainly proof of an allegation that a crime may have been comitted, this would then warrant further investigation.
If i made a statement to the police about a crime, and you were named in that statement as the perpertrator of a crime, the next move would obviously be for the police to speak to you.

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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: WarminIndy

If true, the key word some seem to be missing is "slave"

Which isn't about age or prostitution done willing, but slavery and no choice what so ever



Well, it seems me to be like this, for her to be a slave, then that means that she was kept against her will, which she doesn't seem to indicate, because Prince Andrew would have to be in the US all those times. And here is why that makes no sense...

Prince Andrew in 2011

He has only known Epstein since 2000, which means the 1999 allegation is false and if this is the same girl from the 2011 story, then it is old news.


Prince Andrew, who has known Epstein since 2000, attended a party to celebrate Epstein's release from prison and house arrest, spent time in Epstein's Florida home and was photographed with his arm around the waist of a 17-year-old who claims that Epstein abused her. The minor says she was hired as an erotic masseuse by Epstein.


If Andrew didn't know Epstein until a year later, then that is a baseless accusation.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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Pretty incomprehensible that people think this story can't be true, considering THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: HumanPLC

Anyone can make an allegation. It happens all the time.

It is not proof of anything other than someone knows someone elses name.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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Anyone can make an allegation. It happens all the time.

It is not proof of anything other than someone knows someone elses name.


What you say is true ... However not all things that are true make it to Crown Court
I think the British public are well aware that elite and their cronies are protected from prosecution ... look at Saville and his connections to Royalty and how the police protected him ... Finally becoming a scapegoat for those he served

Do the British public have faith in the judicial system ... yes as much faith as they have in bankers and politicians

Maybe Andrew is innocent who knows ... I make no judgement yet common sense tells me he will be protected whatever his transgressions or not



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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Even if there is not any conclusive proof, evidence or conviction as yet against Andrew, it certainly confirms once again that the hideous, heinous self-proclaimed overlords of our world have some very close relationships with convicted pedophiles and sex offenders and have in some cases awarded them Knighthoods, OBE’s, MBE’s and CBE’s. To keep such company would send shivers down the spine of most beings, not so much the Royals and their apologist masonic minions if you’re aware of their true nature, family and ancestors.

As a reminder of their pedo pals there is.

Jimmy Saville: Had a Knighthood - given after being questioned by the police and subsequently known by HM’s plod and M15 as a potential sexual predator, OBE, Papal Knighthood. BBC children’s T.V. presenter and friend of the Royals and elite, invited by Thatcher and went to 10 Downing Street for Christmas dinner 10 times and Buckingham Palace for various events. He also ‘joked’ on T.V. that he ‘smuggled a teenage girl in the boot of his Rolls Royce into Buckingham Palace and introduced her to Prince Philip - Andrews’s dad’ and was good friends with Prince Charles. The majority of sex crimes that this potential ‘procurer for the princes’ has committed and been accused of are beyond the pale and goes some way in showing the true nature of the mind parasite that had infected him.

Rolf Harris: Awarded and honoured at the palace in the late 1960s with an MBE, followed by an OBE a decade later, and a CBE in 2006. Some received directly from Her Royal Hideousness and he also painted her portrait – Now in the slammer for sex crimes.

Stuart Hall: Awarded MBE and hosted the BBC show ‘It’s a Royal knock out’ where Queen Elizabeth’s children, Prince Edward, Prince Andrew and Princess Anne pranced about with convicted pedophile and serial child abuser Stuart Hall. Admitted indecently assaulting 13 girls, one as young as 9.

Paul Kidd: A serial child abuser who molested a string of boys over a 30 year period was described by the police as ‘a very accomplished groomer of children’ was senior footman to Queen Elizabeth from 1979 to 1984 and previously worked as a royal butler to the Queen from 1977. It is also recorded that he took at least one of his victims for tea with the Queen Mother.

Jeffrey Epstein: Friend of Prince Andrew, who’s been aware of his activity for some time, jailed in 2008 for soliciting under-age girls for prostitution. Hordes of alleged victims and reports of soliciting girls as young 12.

Freemasonry: Keith Gregory, a victim of pedophilia and councillor, and Bill Brereton the former Welsh Deputy Police Commissioner are interviewed regarding an enquiry into pedophilia at Welsh care home.

‘Nearly everyone on UK pedophile ring list is a Freemason says abuse victim’





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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: daftpink

originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: stumason

What do you mean embarrassing? It isnt just sex.....it is rape...sex slave. This was without consent and is a crime. Anyone else would be in custody. I am sure alot more is going to come to light. I also remember that epstein had tried to hide his links to the Prince, now i see why.
Also Epstein has been linked to abusing children and thus by association Prince Andrew will be too. Thats why to attempt to cut ties and hide all.

Thank god someone finally speaking sense. Quite shocked at the blasé attitudes of MOST commenters on here.

This isn't a party where a girl had 1 too many drinks. She was used abused raped and tossed around parties as a sex slave by some of the most powerful men in the country.

Speaking out about these crimes is incredibly difficult and attitudes like the people on here are the reason why these victims stay quiet.

This is happening.

The truth is coming to the surface.

Please respect victims of rape and human trafficking sex slaves. It is rife and goes right up to the elite highest ranking powerful people.

Dismissing it in this way is utterly shocking and not what i thought I'd see on ATS.


No, she SAID that happened. It has not yet been proven to be true. Or would you prefer that we go directly from accusation to conviction and skip the hard evidence part?



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
Its interesting to see on a website like ATS that trial by media happens.

That and trial by hatred (of the Royal Family)

And that logical thinking (simply naming isn't proof) also goes out of the window.

And I'm not defending anyone here - I am pointing out that at present, this is 9+ pages of total, absolute abject speculation with no detail whatsoever apart from someones allegation.


That's a definite trend here at ATS and it's shameful. There's no discussion of possibilities and evidence. It goes from claim to lynching.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: humanityrising
Pretty incomprehensible that people think this story can't be true, considering THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.


Who said it can't be true? Name the poster who said that.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 04:44 PM
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How is it shocking Lol? This site is filled with people that scream for evidence. There usually never is credible evidence when power players are faced with jail time. Not only is it completely stupid to think powerful people are stupid enough to leave evidence, but it is down right disgusting when people treat victims like criminals.




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