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Question About God and Revelations

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posted on Jan, 1 2015 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: cj6

Those are great questions you've asked and I think you already know the answer. If God is all loving then doom porn is not from God.

The book of revelation is not plural btw. Its not revelations but a single revelation. That word Revelation means unveiling. Unveiling of what? The veil of death that lies over all minds (Isa 25, 2 Cor 3, Hebrews 10). This revelation was given in signs, or symbols. It was given this way just like Jesus spoke in parables. To confuse the religious mind. "The wise".

The whole book of Revelation (and the entire bible for that matter) is one thing; the testimony of Jesus (that is the Spirit of prophecy). And it isn't speaking of some future event when God comes and destroys the world. It is speaking of the unveiling of Christ IN YOU "Christ in you is the hope of glory". The stories of the resurrection and the tomb, are symbolic of you "you whitewashed tombs". The religious mind (scribes and pharisees) kills the Spirit man. He lays in dead, and then is raised. "if a grain does not fall to the ground and die it won't bear much fruit". The ground that he died in is you and me (adam=man of dirt 1 Cor 15). When he is raised up, that is speaking of the birth of Christ in you.

Just as Christ is so are you in the world





posted on Jan, 1 2015 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: cj6
First off I have to say I am not religious but I do believe that there is a God in some way or another. I was raised by a single mother who is a devout Christian so naturally any questions I have about God or religion are met with vague, extremely illogical answers.


What are you saying about your mother here? That because she is devout, she can't give you an answer? Because she is single, she can't give you a good enough answer?


Lately I've been really curious about Gods plans for mankind as it pertains to the Bible, more specifically the part about revelations. I'm confused as to why God would create mankind and the earth if he only ever intended to destroy everything at a predetermined date and time.


God can't do what He wants? Think about it, if you believe in evolution as a random process that has no feeling or emotion and you simply came into random being, then you die without the universe to care. So what's the point of that?


What would be the point of our existence if it's already been determined that we're all gonna be killed off in one way or another or taken to heaven if that's what you believe. How important can our lives be here on earth if the bible says God will soon rain down fire and chaos upon all of us?


You really think that your life is pointless? Do something today to make it meaningful. Stop thinking selfishly and think about the legacy you can leave for the future.


If people who are so dedicated to the teachings of the bible are aware of this event then why not question Gods reasons for creating us in the first place? Why put us here if you're just gonna destroy us? I don't know but it makes my life seem that much more meaningless assuming it's all true and will happen at some point. Another problem I have is if God is supposed to be "all-loving" then why would he choose to destroy us and everything we've built? That doesn't sound like an "all-loving" God to me. Is there anyone that can make sense of this or at least have an intelligent thought about it?


Then you need to read the Bible, it is all in there if you just take the time to really read it. But hey, if you aren't going to take what your mother says, then why should we expect you to listen to us. You've already disrespected the woman who gave you life.
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posted on Jan, 1 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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I'm confused as to why God would create mankind and the earth if he only ever intended to destroy everything at a predetermined date and time. What would be the point of our existence if it's already been determined that we're all gonna be killed off in one way or another or taken to heaven if that's what you believe. How


The point of our existence. Thats a good one


Our creation was a response to Satan's rebellion. We were created to demonstrate to Satan and his angels God's mercy and love, to replace Satan and his angels, and to bring glory to God.

Mercy and Love
When Satan rebelled he already knew that he could not overpower God, but he did believe that He could out think Him. Satan's appeal to his followers rested on his assurance that God would be unable to effect any reconciliation between Himself and His rebellious creatures. Satan reasoned that God's righteousness would keep him from being able to extend His mercy and thus make forgiveness impossible. God would be "put in a pickle", unable to act in mercy without impending on his righteousness. God's answer to this problem was Christ.

Replacements
God created angels for specific functions. Satan and his angels left some functions undone. Now of course God could just create more angels to fill those spots, but God created a new creature in order to demonstrate the above even better. How? Man a new creature could choose between following God and Satan, and it was no accident that God plopped us right in Satan's territory, Earth.

Glory to God
By making us and saving us through Christ God exposes Satan's lies and brings glory to God.

Everyone who is called by my Name, for My glory I have created him, I have formed him, indeed, I have made him.
Isaiah 43:7




How important can our lives be here on earth if the bible says God will soon rain down fire and chaos upon all of us?


Well the truth is friend your life here isn't important regardless of your out take on the world. From the Atheistic world view humans have no intrinsic value and everything is pretty much a clock just ticking down; from the theistic world view humans have intrinsic value, but our lives here and the materialistic things we gain in this world mean absolutely nothing. They are temporary. What is important is what comes next, and things you do here will effect what comes next.




Another problem I have is if God is supposed to be "all-loving" then why would he choose to destroy us and everything we've built? That doesn't sound like an "all-loving" God to me


Satan is attempting to put his jaws in you and make you his puppet and you don't even see it because your not clothed with the armor of God. You are making the same accusation at God that Satan does. Its also one of the more subtle accusation Satan makes of God in the Garden. That he doesn't love you, and friend thats not true at all. He wants you to be with Him and he wants you to know Him and He loves you more than either of us could ever imagine.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:08 AM
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I think the point of my existence is to annoy people. Really, I think I can do that quite well.

The other thing is this, we were all allowed to be on this planet and were given the opportunity to do good things. I don't know why some were born to great families while some were born to not so good families, but I'm not the architect of humanity. All I can do is live in this world and hope that I have done some good.

The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. The Bible asks that question "What is man that thou art mindful of him?" What is man? But God is mindful of every man, even if every man does not consider God. We can't help what we were born into, but we can help what we do in it.

I think the worst saying though is, "I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my destiny". I learned a long time ago that my limited wisdom and knowledge are not enough, I am humble enough to accept that I don't know it all and never will. There are things I simply do not understand.

I find the Bible the most unique book ever written, because it not only tells us about God, but God and man and the cooperative relationship between God and man. It is highly intellectual, too bad there are fewer intellectual people today. Not a single other book in history has the narrative of God dealing directly with mankind. All others had gods that interacted with other gods, but always with the morality tale. I am afraid that young people today will not understand the stories of Aesop either.

Deadilus and Icarus, the moral of the story is "Don't try to fly too high in your pride if you are too stupid to realize the wax will melt in the sun".


cj6

posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Kinda harsh to say Satan has his jaws on me. Do I not have free will to question Gods motives? If questioning God was Satans downfall then maybe that whole scenario is just a little twisted up. I don't oppose God at all but if he is my creator then all I ask is for simple answers to my complicated questions. Honestly it all sounds a bit tyrannical to me but I won't get into that. Don't give us a brain and expect us not to use it.


cj6

posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
I think the worst saying though is, "I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my destiny". I learned a long time ago that my limited wisdom and knowledge are not enough, I am humble enough to accept that I don't know it all and never will. There are things I simply do not understand.


You don't have to know it all but some of us just wanna know the things that are most important to us. I, for one, feel a little lost without the answers to my questions. Maybe part of my own destiny is to continue on my journey to enlightenment, that is at least finding the answers that I feel like I must know. If we're not masters of our own destiny then what are we? Are you satisfied letting someone else steer your ship? I'm not and that's ok we're all different.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:10 AM
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originally posted by: cj6

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
I think the worst saying though is, "I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my destiny". I learned a long time ago that my limited wisdom and knowledge are not enough, I am humble enough to accept that I don't know it all and never will. There are things I simply do not understand.


You don't have to know it all but some of us just wanna know the things that are most important to us. I, for one, feel a little lost without the answers to my questions. Maybe part of my own destiny is to continue on my journey to enlightenment, that is at least finding the answers that I feel like I must know. If we're not masters of our own destiny then what are we? Are you satisfied letting someone else steer your ship? I'm not and that's ok we're all different.


Yep, I sure am satisfied, because the One that steers my ship knows where to take me.

Do you know with 100% certainty that you can steer your ship in uncharted waters?



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:33 AM
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I was raised by a single mother who is a devout Christian so naturally any questions I have about God or religion are met with vague, extremely illogical answers.


Well, there are MUCH better apologists out there than your mother, no offense.

Check out Ravi Zacharias.


cj6

posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:57 AM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy
Do you know with 100% certainty that you can steer your ship in uncharted waters?


How can you steer clear of any obstacles in those uncharted waters if someone else is in control? Then it's not your ship, you're just a spectator watching your journey unfold without making any decisions where to go. There's only one captain and if you're not it then what's the point?



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 03:19 AM
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Some believe the story of 7 seals are representing the 7 chakras in eastern mythology and that revelations is about the light/spirit/chi interaction in a human body.

The story might be multi-meaning and have several layers of understanding.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 03:26 AM
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originally posted by: cj6
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Kinda harsh to say Satan has his jaws on me. Do I not have free will to question Gods motives? If questioning God was Satans downfall then maybe that whole scenario is just a little twisted up. I don't oppose God at all but if he is my creator then all I ask is for simple answers to my complicated questions. Honestly it all sounds a bit tyrannical to me but I won't get into that. Don't give us a brain and expect us not to use it.


Questioning is sometimes called seeking. I do agree with this part of the bible. It is true on all levels from my point of view.

Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Questioning things brings answers and awareness. The more awareness the more answers and less ambiguity.

Namaste
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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 05:34 AM
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You have absolutely ZERO to worry about what is written in the book of Revelation (the unveiling).It is not about past,present or future historical events .It says very clearly in the 2nd verse it is written in signs (metaphors) and then proceeds with 22 chapters filled with metaphors of an allegory of sorts.John is only documenting his “dream” of what he “saw” not very different from people chronicling their dreams

The carnal religious mind(satan) of man has turned it into a nightmare and a false indictment of the nature and character (the name) of the creator God making them into the most heinous monster imaginable.

John is told in his dream blessed (joyful) are those that “hear”(understand/perceive)what it is he will write of his dream.If a person is joyful at the destruction of the majority of mankind and the planet earth at the hand of an angry revengeful God it is highly doubtful they are perceiving what John wrote.

The fact is life has immense purpose however this “life in the physical realm is not THE Life(spirit).All of creation (including mankind) are only in a stage of conception.No one except Yahoshua has been born into the realm of the Kingdom of the creator God.Yahoshuas purpose was to sow the “seed” of LIFE into the physical realm. Yahoshua is literally the “seed/son of the creator God the Father.

Mankind is not being “told”(or could understand) how that complete process works anymore than man 2,000 years ago could understood what conception really entailed.They only understood a man sows his seed into a women and conception of a new life can occur.It was the miracle of creation and it still is to this day.The new life will follow the same process.A person cannot “cause” their own conception.It was caused by an act of their mother and father through bios(physical life).

The fact is mankind has not even been born yet into Life.John’s dream was a metaphor of how that new life is conceived and formed.Just as there is chaos in the birth of a physical realm universe so is there is chaos in the new birth of Life.However it is all Good News and the creator God is causing ALL of it.


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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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In Exodus 19:5 & 6, the LORD promises the children of Israel (all of them - irrespective of age, gender or tribe) that if they are obedient to His Covenant (of the Ten Commandments) and to His Voice, He will make them a nation of holy priests.

In Revelation 5:9 & 10, the 24 Elders laud the Son/Lamb of God, for having, by his blood sacrifice, made them (the Israelites) a kingdom of holy priests. [Note: some Bibles say 'us' and 'we', but the oldest texts say 'them' and 'they'.] So this was the whole purpose of the crucifixion. Read Revelation 20:4-6 & 11-15 for more background.

Anyone who holds to the Covenant of the Ten Commandments and is obedient to God's instructions - His Voice being His written words, His Son's words and the words of Moses - becomes an Israelite.

The rest of the people are 'perishing', which means they are useless, much like rubber which perishes and so can't be used for its original purpose.

Hope this helps...


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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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Making it safely to shore. THAT is the point.

In ourselves, we cannot attain the perfection/holiness to get ourselves into heaven. THAT is only able to be done through Christ Jesus - and only possible even then when you die to this world (ie: basically make a trade, the things in this world you might love too much, for heaven)

If you are willing to give the stuff you love the most up, which for some is going to be wealth, another pride, another their smokes etc, then HE will take the burden off you that those things cause and you can then walk away from the things you personally place before God.

No, you will then and at that point be living more for HIM than for self... but it is how we get into heaven. Otherwise, we will never see heaven.

This life, is such a short time, and heaven is for all eternity. Would you trade a few years of this, for eternity of that, with HIM?

I would, now that I have HIM and know HIM, I promise you it is worth sleeping in a park and being a bum to keep! Yet, God is so great, HE doesn't ask that, only asks you to live a life of moderation. Love God before anything and everything else, and Love your neighbor as yourself.

In moderation you can do all things. But you cannot place anything before HIM. But.. you must let HIM do the driving, because if you try and drive, you wont see heaven.

Think of it like having a chauffeur now that you have a wealthy Father. Most would love a ride in a limo... Jesus is offering you one. You may think driving the car is cool, but you don't get to enjoy any of the scenery that way, and are always under such stress concerning where other drivers are on the road, concerning if you may get into an accident etc.

I used to visit my mother, and used to drive the trip regularly. Then I found out that I could take the train for cheaper. I began the taking the train to see her, and fell in love with not driving, because I could take a nap, see the sights, read a book, listen to my music on my headphone.. have a snack.. just generally enjoy the trip!

Up to you, but HE is offering you this wonderful thing! Its a much better thing than what you have now.
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cj6

posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 09:34 AM
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That makes sense



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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You need to know something also. Once you have given up this world, and died the spiritual death to this world. He comes to you and speaks to you. You can ask HIM questions, and HE will explain all things you would like to know, to you. He does it in many different ways this explaining, but HE does make sure you get all your questions about Him and HIS Book answered.

Its really cool.


Its only after you have died the spiritual death though, because until then, there is a barrier between you and God and makes it harder to hear HIM. But once that barrier is nullified, you begin to hear HIM.

That is the part I enjoy most. Being able to talk to God in real time.
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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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Kinda harsh to say Satan has his jaws on me.


How is that harsh?




If questioning God was Satans downfall then maybe that whole scenario is just a little twisted up.


How out of my post do you get that questioning God was Satan's downfall? Pride was Satan's downfall.
Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.




I don't oppose God at all but if he is my creator then all I ask is for simple answers to my complicated questions.


I mean there is a whole 66 books that might have your answers in there....



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy
Do you know with 100% certainty that you can steer your ship in uncharted waters?


How can you steer clear of any obstacles in those uncharted waters if someone else is in control? Then it's not your ship, you're just a spectator watching your journey unfold without making any decisions where to go. There's only one captain and if you're not it then what's the point?


Oh, but if I'm not steering....that's the point.

Is my life really my own? Is your life really your own? No, because our lives are lived with others. You did not steer yourself into this life, you didn't give yourself breath and movement. You might think you control your life but you know as well as I do that life isn't 100%, now is it?

You don't even have a promise of tomorrow, none of us do.



posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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We're like puppets living on borrowed time. The Bible makes my head hurt
There is a doom and gloom industry out there that on-purpose misinterprets the Bible for the sake of hype for their product.
The actual biblical teaching is the restoration of the River and the Tree of Life.


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posted on Jan, 3 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: NOTurTypical
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I was raised by a single mother who is a devout Christian so naturally any questions I have about God or religion are met with vague, extremely illogical answers.


Well, there are MUCH better apologists out there than your mother, no offense.

Check out Ravi Zacharias.



I like Ravi, he is very intelligent.




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