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posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 07:30 AM
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originally posted by: CB328
If low wages are so great for creating jobs why not pay everyone 2 cents an hour like Republicans want?!

You all ignore the reality that when workers get raises they spend more money which grows the economy, hence why Washington has a strong economy.


I agree, when people have more, they spend more. More goods and services means more revenue across the board.

I guess in an economy where less than half the workers can afford more than basic necessities, they expect those hoarding wealth to prop up their small businesses......foolish imo but they can believe what they want.

On a side note, in the 60s a single parent working minimum wage could buy a home and a new car, today 2 parents working minimum wage cant buy a home, or a new car.....but there is nothing wrong here...




posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: Jamie1

You're complaining the system isn't fair while you've made 2,768 posts on ATS.

Maybe if you spent your time actually adding value to others instead of wasting it whining you could see some positive financial results.


Cute, i saw you make the same remark about another poster in a thread about banker's bonuses. I dont think i need to take the advice of a poster who clearly got schooled in another thread. Claiming that it was Obama who bailed out all the big banks? You lost all credibility there with me.

Nice talking to you.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 07:32 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: CB328
If low wages are so great for creating jobs why not pay everyone 2 cents an hour like Republicans want?!

You all ignore the reality that when workers get raises they spend more money which grows the economy, hence why Washington has a strong economy.


Thanks for demonstrating your complete and utter economic ignorance. Even if there were no minimum wage, it doesn't mean people would work for zero. There is something called supply and demand that sets wages in the real world.


Um that all went out the window when they allowed tens on millions of illegals to come in.

Your fantasy economy has been gone for close to 30 years now.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 07:40 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: bigx001

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

People will suffer for those idiotic "feel good commies" own desires to level the playing field. No one should work at McD's if they don't like the pay. Do as i did when i was a high school aged mechanic. I was studying chemistry to change my destiny. I now have the job the decent education gave me the preparation to do. But as a teenage student, working in poor conditions that mechanics face to repair auto's, i realized i needed to want to do better for myself. I was able to see how far a buck went and where it came from. The ease of it was never obvious to me so I went for the science degree I craved. I don't see how one can do it without desire to find something you can actually do and enjoy that people wanted to pay for like being a Scientist. But certainly working for a pittance while people where bringing my shop fancy cars, surely made me see the situation for what it was. It boils down to those that go get it and those that want it on a silver platter. Pink Floyd said it well. "But if you ask for a rise, it's no surprise their givin none away".


and what year was this? because if it was in the 70's then your purchasing power was much greater than it is for today's minimum wage


This isn't necessarily true. What people often forget is that productivity gains have also made a lot of other items much cheaper. The poor live better than the middle and upper classes did 30 or 40 years ago. Air conditioning. Cars. Clothing. Technology - phones, computers, ipads, televisions. Even travel is a lot cheaper.


actually it is true. but if you want to stick your head in the sand then do so. but you cannot even survive on minimum wage without government assistance, unlike 50 years ago.

investmentwatchblog.com...

so don't even try and tell people they are better off today than they were 50 years ago



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: bigx001
minimum wage has not kept up with inflation, if it had it would be much higher than $15 an hour.

but for any increase in minimum wage to be worthwhile there needs to be hard rent control or at least sensible landlords, otherwise any increase will be consumed by greedy landlords.


Why should it be much higher...

Here is a fact... In 1966 the minimum wage was the highest compared to inflation, so if we raised minimum wage up to that standard it would be $10.90. Right now Washington is at $9.47, so a $1.50 per hour more would put it higher compared to inflation than any other time in our history, so where does your much higher than $15 come from?



and today that would be over $15 an hour to give you the same buying power, rethink your logic



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

No i dont believe that two people in the same company should have a pay difference of 300x. What i believe is that a cleaner should make enough money to make ends meet and have a small amount of disposable income for savings & investments. We've had a society successfully run with that in mind. By paying the CEO a ridiculous amount of money you're indirectly having an negative effect on society as a whole.
When you have a society full of poor people crime rockets. They find other ways to make money which again in turn has a negative effect on society. It makes much more sense to pay a basic wage that people can live on, no?


It's easy to take a stab at CEOs, but a good CEO may save his company more money than he earns. This in turn may result in lowered prices for consumers or raise pay for employees. Isn't that a good thing?
And in the states, most people are paid more than minimum wage.



Well, enough politicians have been paid very well to redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich over the past 50 years. We can easily reverse that with high taxation of the wealthy. Build more social housing, remove university fee's and provide incentives for people to gain skill's in needed in future technologies. They are only a few ways we can move forward positively.


Er, for the past fifty years we have been engaged on large-scale "social justice" programs to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor. The wealthy *are* taxed at very high rates, and anyone who has a public library card can go to college for free (all you need is to earn a full ride scholarship by acing the SAT, which is not hard if you study.)



Indeed, but i see that capitalism on a nation by nation basis can take humanity no further. I suppose in some way i am proposing that countries give up their economic sovereignty and work together - That's a scary and almost crazy idea i know, but if it worked... technological advancement would go through the roof if done correctly.

Obviously we cant have this cooperative system in place if the main focus is making money.

As long as we ensure that making money is the ONLY reason for business then really were shooting all 7 billion members of the human race in the foot. That's a lot of feet lol.


We don't have capitalism on a nation by nation basis. In the states, we are dealing with fascism and soft socialism. Most other nations are in various stages of soft socialism, various forms of state managed economies, or oligarchy. Bashing capitalism is irrelevant right now, because so few nations are actually interested in doing capitalism without having the government interfere to the point that it is no longer a free market.

What's the point of a cooperative system if it's not making money?



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: bigx001

and today that would be over $15 an hour to give you the same buying power, rethink your logic


Show me the freaking numbers, if you want me to rethink my logic...lol geez To use "buying power" as your calculations is pure speculation, so what logic are you using at all?

In 1968 minimum wage was 1.60 and that is the best it has every been. If we convert that 1.60 to today's inflation rate it would be 10.90, so you are wrong in the buying power of today should be 15+ to match 1968. I'm also talking about the best case not the average that would put it closer to 9 bucks or less.

What you want to do is to almost double minimum wage over night, so the question to you is do you think inflation has doubled in the last few years?




edit on 4-1-2015 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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Here lies the problem with the whole living wage thing. There hasn't been enough jobs out there thanks to a lot of missteps from our Government. A recession that should have only gone on for 1/1/2 years went on for 6 plus. This created a situation where people who should be earning a living wage due to their skills and experience were forced into jobs that required zero experience/education (a job that a typical 16 year old would work for extra money) since that is all they could get. Six years later they are still way under employed, so everyone now is screaming that minimum wage is not a living wage...well no sh@t...it never has been. It is the lowest of the lows that is meant to be a starting point.

Making minimum wage 15 drives the true 15 per hour jobs to 25 to 30 and so on. This would explode a company's 36% cost in employee income to 50% or more, that would drive them to greatly raise prices to get income expense back to 36%. So you want to talk inflation?

Maybe instead of focusing on minimum wage as a living wage we need to focus on the Government for doing such a poor job and replace those that has taken big roles in our last 6 years of failures.

One thing in common with the presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama is they all walked into office under a recession, three of them had their recessions over within 1 1/2 years, but one of them has taken 6 plus years, guess which one.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: StalkerSolent
It's easy to take a stab at CEOs, but a good CEO may save his company more money than he earns. This in turn may result in lowered prices for consumers or raise pay for employees. Isn't that a good thing?
And in the states, most people are paid more than minimum wage.


The main company I work for is Boeing and the CEO makes about 15 to 20 million. Being the top boss if he can keep Boeing a viable company for the next 20 years, keeping me in a job for that time with raises and promotions, I have no issue with him making whatever to do that. People put a lot of focus on 300x etc, but lets convert his whole income to an employee raise to really show the impact. If the CEO of Boeing took zero income and gave it all out as a raise to his employees each and every employee would get whopping 5 cents per hour raise.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: StalkerSolent
It's easy to take a stab at CEOs, but a good CEO may save his company more money than he earns. This in turn may result in lowered prices for consumers or raise pay for employees. Isn't that a good thing?
And in the states, most people are paid more than minimum wage.


The main company I work for is Boeing and the CEO makes about 15 to 20 million. Being the top boss if he can keep Boeing a viable company for the next 20 years, keeping me in a job for that time with raises and promotions, I have no issue with him making whatever to do that. People put a lot of focus on 300x etc, but lets convert his whole income to an employee raise to really show the impact. If the CEO of Boeing took zero income and gave it all out as a raise to his employees each and every employee would get whopping 5 cents per hour raise.


And yet, as you point out, you might not have a job if the company is not managed properly.

Nice analysis.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: Jamie1
This is really simple.

A small business sells products or services. They have a market for say, $1,000,000 in sales

Say they have 20 workers, and their labor expense is $400,000. If the cost per unit of labor is increased, they can keep their labor expense fixed at $400,000 by firing one of the 20 workers and getting by with 19 workers.


Except each American employee nowadays is already doing the work of several employees so that is not plausible.


And/or they can pass on the expense to customers by raising prices.


Or the owners along with their family members who work there all can take a bit of a cut in their generous paychecks and bonuses so that they dont have to pass the cost onto the customers.


Small business will never be able to compete with larger businesses in this scenario.


They all did just fine in the past decades when a decent wage was paid to all keeping up with inflation. Times were good for small and large businesses PLUS employees in America.


Oh... and have you seen this? It's the chart of minimum wage in terms of real, inflated adjusted dollars. There is NO increase in real wages.





Right, it looks like proof right there that its time for American wages to ALL be increased across the board.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: CB328
I think its not such a big deal and its only in some companies, the area were the whole thing started as the airport they still get paid the same or last I checked, I know a few people who work there and ya last i seen then no bump in pay. But funny thing is most of the jobs outside the airport did go up, and a lot of them are a lot easier to do. I know a guy who quit and started working at the parking around there, from what he says its a lot easier and pays much better. So who knows how this would effect anything.

Just joking, more people with money to spend generally means a better local economy and more people and goods moving in and out the area. So ya, I do not think this will be anywere near the downfall of the economy. Its not rocket science here.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71
Ya exactly this is nothing big. In fact most companies around the area all have ways of not paying 15$ minimum wage. So the whole thing really is not even a drop in the bucket.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


Do you not see that the only people that are goign to be able to survive are huge corporations while mom and pop go under?

There are no such thing as mom and pop operations. Or if they are they are in a niche corner were this will not effect them, even if they exist there like 5% of things and even those just cater to a big bussines or corp. This whole mom and pop businesses thing is pretty much a myth.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: onequestion
Its been like that ever since the internet was invented. So is TV and all other media out there, its all just a form of brainwashing. Its like Joseph Goebbels said, if your repeat something over and over, for years or even generations people will believe it. And they have implemented that on mass ever since they took operations and procedures over from the nazis after ww2. The game is set, and your playing against the house, always been that way.



posted on Jan, 4 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

YA something has been proven. 1500 people now have more money to do with as they wish. And even that number is likely fake and exaggerated.



posted on Jan, 5 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
The majority of those small business you imply are merely caterers of big bussiness, another branch of the coporate machine, one that they dont have to spend any of there $$ supporting. Because they got plenty of others willing to play the slipy slide hill while it lasts. And mom and pop business do not really exist, there so in the minority that its silly to even mention them.



posted on Jan, 5 2015 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: MarkJS
Thats what people dont understand not only is that article pure propaganda. But they all are, they have thousands of people all over the place making sure the illusion stays up, part of the obama crew or any presidents job is that. To maintain the illusion, while things shift.



posted on Jan, 5 2015 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: DenyTreason

originally posted by: Jamie1
This is really simple.

A small business sells products or services. They have a market for say, $1,000,000 in sales

Say they have 20 workers, and their labor expense is $400,000. If the cost per unit of labor is increased, they can keep their labor expense fixed at $400,000 by firing one of the 20 workers and getting by with 19 workers.


Except each American employee nowadays is already doing the work of several employees so that is not plausible.


And/or they can pass on the expense to customers by raising prices.


Or the owners along with their family members who work there all can take a bit of a cut in their generous paychecks and bonuses so that they dont have to pass the cost onto the customers.


Small business will never be able to compete with larger businesses in this scenario.


They all did just fine in the past decades when a decent wage was paid to all keeping up with inflation. Times were good for small and large businesses PLUS employees in America.


Oh... and have you seen this? It's the chart of minimum wage in terms of real, inflated adjusted dollars. There is NO increase in real wages.





Right, it looks like proof right there that its time for American wages to ALL be increased across the board.


If you value beliefs and unrealistic demagoguery over reality there's nothing that going to convince you otherwise.

The graph clearly shows the minimum wage has been consistently raised, and that inflation has gone up at a higher rate.

Do you not believe raising the cost of labor is going to a) decrease jobs and b) increase prices?

There's some online business simulation games you can play. Try to win. When labor costs go up figure out what you have to do to win.

You with hire less people or raise prices. Larger companies have a huge advantage over small companies. If you want to destroy smaller companies the fastest way is to keep increasing labor costs and taxes. It's almost like that's the agenda and people are too foolish or naive to see it.

I don't get it....



posted on Jan, 5 2015 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: Jamie1

Your graph is bunk. The premise of your graph is based on years of calculated bunk, in fact the whole things is merely propaganda reaching across timelines and generation. So ya! Its true to you because that is the only way your are capable of thinking and being.



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