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The elephant is a metaphoric device
An accidental collection of atoms like the Sun, the Solar System or the Galaxies? I beg to differ.
Technically, that wager was resolved by Job.
Why not? Those are pleasant emotions to experience and promote a quality life. Do you believe love and joy can only come from the worship of your God?
"Christ" is the divine spark that resides in every living thing.
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I'm not sure free will exists. After my recent stay in hospital, a chap in the opposite room, had 4 prison guards with him. He was suffering from a brain tumour. The prison officers were there because the guy had been arrested for armed robbery. The guy had always been involved in petty crime, but it's believed his behaviour changed after the brain tumour had grown and was pressing on an area that controls behaviour and emotions. It's argued that the tumour had changed the mans behaviour turning him more violent. Maybe the tumour which was not his choice turned a petty criminal into a violent one. No free will involved. There must be countless cases like this
tangerine:"I see human free will as being an impossibility when the creator, as believers claim, is all-knowing and all-powerful. Can you explain how an all-knowing creator could not know exactly what his creations would do before he created them? Can you explain how an all-powerful creator could not create his creations to do exactly that which he wanted them to do?"
akushla99: 1. All-knowing and all-powerful 'as believers claim'...these words may be understood - but don't equate to helicopter parenting/meddlesome despot...move away from this idea...
2. All-knowing creator does know (as splinters of itself) everything that is possible and probable, but allows all freedom to (itself, essentially) experience all probabilities and possibilities - giving IT/US total free will to do this (i.e. reason for free will)
3. What would be the point of this?
ontological existence and logic and reason are not mutually inclusive; as a matter of fact, they differ quite a bit
I do not need to 'justify' anything as I am not the one making statements about anything philosophical
You are trying to justify unverifiable things simply through you personal belief system.
I would start with Philosophy and Logical Syntax as a base and attempt to use mathematics as a tool for that justification.
Ask yourself this: If there never was any religion passed down for the last 2000 years, would people inherently lose all morals and become savages or would peace work its way out?
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
Why would I ask myself this question? This question has nothing to do with reality. Reality is God has been a part of Man since we have been on Earth. ....
A commonly held marker for the dawn of religious belief and practice is the advent of intentional burial marks
223,000–100,000 BCE The earliest evidence of Hominids, such as Neanderthals and even Homo heidelbergensis, deliberately disposing of deceased individuals usually in funerary caches. The graves, located throughout Eurasia (e.g. the Pontnewydd Cave (Wales), Atapuerca Mountains (Spain), Qafzeh, Es Skhul, Krapina (Croatia), are believed to represent the beginnings of ceremonial rites, although there is some debate about this. Neanderthals placed their deceased in simple graves with little or no concern for grave goods or markers; however, their graves occasionally appeared with limestone blocks in or on them, possibly an archaic form of grave marking. These practices were possibly the result of empathetic feelings towards fellow tribespeople, for example: an infant buried in the Dederiyeh Cave after its joints had disarticulated was placed with concern for the correct anatomical arrangement of its body parts
No I don't, but my question to you is why love and joy instead theft and murder? Without some form of God you only have your subjective basis, there is no objective basis for you to argue that love and joy is better than living for theft and murder.
Why should one assume this is true? Actually Why should one assume that there is divine spark in humans at all?
Yes, subjective. That's my point. There is no objective moral standard. Love and joy are preferable to me, however, there's plenty of God ordered theft and murder in the Bible.
Jesus was a historical person, and I believe the historical evidence points to his Resurrection as something that actually occurred in history.
I agree if God doesn't exist morals are subjective, but I have never once had a subjective moral experience.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
My world view presumes that the Biblical God is not the creator of the universe or lord over anything, including me. I believe that I am a part of God just as much as Jesus was, if he existed at all.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: windword
Yes and that line of though is based on your world view, which presupposes their is no God, which is a philosophical bias when it comes to interpreting history.