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originally posted by: jonnywhite
originally posted by: Annee
The main reason she killed herself was because she didn't want to look like a man in a dress. To her she would have been disfigured and undesirable to anyone.
Her parents denied her the medical treatment of hormone blockers.
Instead they removed her from school, took away her laptop and phone because she was researching "undesirable content".
They made her a prisoner at home and forced her into Christian counseling.
The mother claims she loved her children unconditionally. Obviously she didn't.
And the younger they receive hormones the better the results.
But if you were a woman inside wouldn't it be better to be a imperfect woman on the outside than to be a man on the outside? Lots of people live in adverse situations. She/he could have made it work.
He/she may have had some depression, not just transgender issues. And yet I think being so young, he/she had no perspective.
originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Jamie1
Ya true. But in all your talking about a 15yr old.
In general it takes even those with no such issues, even if they have everything in there lives going good, well even for them it takes practically a whole lifetime to find out that happiness comes from them and there emotions are products of themselfs.
Besides humans are just part and parcel merely responsive and products of there society. Very few kids are that grown up about it, and even very few grown ups are that grown up about it as they can literally control there emotions and happiness at a drop of a hat.
Obviously is this person felt strong enough to kill herself over it, then there needs to be a more easier transition in society were they can do as they do without all the drama....After all free will and all. And for all anybody knows they may at one point come to regret there choice, but that is there choice to make and regret if it so comes to it. So ya she may have need to be thought to control her emotions. Well good luck with that because those emotions were so strong for this individual that she killed herself over them.
originally posted by: Dr1Akula
a reply to: Jamie1
Happiness is not a choice. By ‘choosing’ to be happy when in reality something’s not right, you suppress all your negative emotions. leading to an even more severe depression.
Happiness is a luxury. The luxury to be able to live in harmony with yourself and your surroundings, and to be capable to achieve fulfillment.
As others posted before we are not all the same, we didn't all have the same opportunities, the same circumstances,
and the same feelings, likings, taste, temper, needs etc. Everyone who is different than the mass
should be respected for what he is, and not being bullied around for being different.
originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Jamie1
Happiness is a choice. But circumstances do differ, how many comatose and and people missing half there face do you think are happy, or take for instance this case of charlie no face. link. I do believe happiness while for two different people in the same situation and same life may differ, but how many people do you know like that? I personally have never seen any, not even twins are that similar.
So ya, circumstances and differences do exist. I would wonder how far this happiness thing would last for you if you were in this kids shoes, or how about charlie no face. The guy continued on even after all that up to his death at age 74. So ya! How happy would you be if you somebody fried your face off with chemicals? I mean, what definition of happiness are we talking about here.
If your talking about a normal person with very few issues and pretty normal circumstance. Well by your own account you said even they and depending on the person end up depressed and kill themselfs and over smaller stuff then this kid was going through. In all, I suppose maybe in another lifetime you will have the chance to see just how far your happiness will go if you are set to the same circumstances. We shall see I suppose.
But I still agree with you, happiness for the most part happiness is something that comes from oneself and not so much from outside influences. But like I said, it depends on just what your definition of happiness is and for the most part circumstances.
You didn't answer any of my questions. Neither did your link. In fact, your link just proves that being 'transgender' is nothing more than a personal belief formed and influenced by society.
The androgen receptor (AR), also known as NR3C4, is activated by the binding of testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, where it plays a critical role in the forming of primary and secondary male sex characteristics. Hare et al. found that male-to-female transsexuals were found to have longer repetitions of the gene, which reduced its effectiveness at binding testosterone. A variant genotype for a gene called CYP17, which acts on the sex hormones pregnenolone and progesterone, has been found to be linked to female-to-male transsexualism but not MTF transsexualism. Most notably, the FTM subjects not only had the variant genotype more frequently, but had an allele distribution equivalent to male controls, unlike the female controls. The paper concluded that the loss of a female-specific CYP17 T -34C allele distribution pattern is associated with FtM transsexualism.
In a first-of-its-kind study, Zhou et al. (1995) found that in a region of the brain called the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc), a region known for sex and anxiety responses, MTF transsexuals have a female-normal size while FTM transsexuals have a male-normal size. While the transsexuals studied had taken hormones, this was accounted for by including non-transsexual male and female controls who, for a variety of medical reasons, had experienced hormone reversal. The controls still retained sizes typical for their gender. No relationship to sexual orientation was found.
In a follow-up study, Kruijver et al. (2000) looked at the number of neurons in BSTc instead of volumes. They found the same results as Zhou et al. (1995), but with even more dramatic differences. One MTF subject who had never gone on hormones was also included, and who matched up with the female neuron counts nonetheless.
Genetic variation, hormones, and differences in brain functioning and brain structures provide evidence for the biological etiology of the symptoms associated with GID. Twin studies indicate that GID is 62% heritable, evidencing the genetic influence in its development. In male-to-female transsexuals, GID is associated with variations in an individual's genes that make the individual less sensitive to androgens. Zhou et al. (1995) found that in one area of the brain, male-to-female transsexuals have a typically female structure, and female-to-male transsexuals have a typically male structure. Zhou et al. (1995) had a sample size of only six male-to-female transgender individuals. There may, for example, be some non-transgender heterosexual men with some brain structures that would be expected in a female, as the sample size in Zhou et al. (1995) is too small to exclude such possibilities. In addition, some aspects of trans women's hypothalamus functioning resemble that typical of cisgender women. The presence of typically female patterns of white matter and neuron patterns has also been observed in the brains of male-to-female transsexuals and overall longer instances of the androgen receptor gene. (Also see Causes of transsexualism.) However, these markers do not identify every individual who undergoes transition. Similar brain structure differences have, however, been noted between gay and heterosexual men, and between lesbian and heterosexual women. More recent studies have found that circumstance and repeated activities such as meditation modify brain structures in a process called brain plasticity or neuroplasticity. In May 2014, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reported that for fathers, parenting "rewires the male brain".
It's not about controlling emotions or even thoughts. It's simply about being AWARE it's our thoughts that are causing the emotions. It's about being aware of the difference between stories and facts.
Everything she said about her future in her suicide note was a story -not fact. It was those stories she was telling herself that led her to walk in front of a truck.
There is no need for this. There is no need to change the infinite variations in 7 billion people's behavior, hoping those changes in behavior will somehow fit like a puzzle piece into every person's perception of the way the world should be.
All that is needed is for children (and adults) to be shown how it's their thoughts, their perceptions, that lead to emotions like sadness and helplessness. It's the perception of the facts, not the facts.
If we could honor her last words, it would be to show people this one distinction. Judgment and ridicule turns to compassion and gratitude when we realize it's the stories that cause the emotional suffering, not the facts.
And we can choose what stories we tell ourselves. We can choose our beliefs.
Otherwise we might as well be mindless machines. Dissolving negative emotions does not make us robots. Mindlessly reacting with negative emotions is more robotic than consciously choosing our emotions.
we certainly shouldn't ever glorify the decision to kill oneself - at 17 there is still plenty of time to get help, escape the abusive(because that's what they are) family and live the way you want. This person is going to end up being a martyr for the cause which will have plenty of ramifications both good and bad on the trans community as a whole.
Being 17 she had other options, certainly, but she was right that it included a lifetime of pain. Everybody, cares way too much about what other people do and think; if everyone just f'd off and let people do what they want that they do no harm, we'd all be better off for it: but when even your family would ostracize you for something out of your control? It hurts. It hurts bad.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Why do you insist on calling her a boy?
originally posted by: WeAre0ne
HE had a mental issue which caused HIM to believe he was a girl. He was not a girl. It also caused him to be depressed and suicidal.
Just become aware of when you're feeling any "negative" emotional state to know that emotion is being caused by a story you're telling yourself, not the facts. Start by just asking yourself, "Is that a story or a fact?" when you become aware of how you're perceiving things.
There was no reason at all for him to 'feel' like a female other than influence by society and mental illness.