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'Fix Society': Transgender Teen Posted Plea Before Suicide

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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Yeah, Killing yourself is the answer...How Selfish.


I don't agree with suicide but I've always felt sorry for those who are driven to it. It's often not their fault.

Selfish is a harsh term though - It seems anyone who this would closely affect had already abandoned him/her. They have to live with the consequences of their ignorance.

It's tricky. It's a moral question. It's perhaps (probably) a religious issue, much like homosexuality. These people have to face the fact so many people will refuse to accept them because of a mis-interpreted book written for the illiterate thousands of years ago.

Of course, transgender isn't even considered in the Bible or any holy book - but I think the 2 are often linked together.




posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: Expat888
Shame another life destroyed because narrowminded bastards and "good" christians cant accept people as they are and try to force them to fit their primitive .. backward views .. more disgusting those saying the person deserved it .. nobody deserves to be treated like that .. she was right society needs fixed .. too bad it will continue its destructive path claiming more lives along the way ..

Yea driving a person to suicide is something to be proud of people .. your barbaric god must be happy youve spilled more blood to sate his thirst ..


Sad that another life was destroyed by their own free choice because of a misunderstanding/projection of their local environment; magnified/projected unto actual reality by the child's perception.

"Society" has done some pretty successful major changes in the last 5 years towards tolerance, laws have been passed granting equal rights, anti-discrimination etc. to aid in "society fixing itself" over time.

Many of the recent posts on this site show such a society change; for the most part LGBT community posts are received well and the minds of most of "society" are moving day by day toward acceptance.

This OP has also been received well.

Understanding/Knowledge about transgender-ism causation has greatly increased in the last 5 years and more and more people are commenting from a place of knowledge, rather than ignorance.

Unfortunately this young man with a female identity did what we as human beings do all too often and projected a local cultural/environmental experience into that of the world as a whole. Perception is reality, and she allowed her perception (susceptible to change) of her local environment to become her perception of "Society" and thus her reality (not susceptible to change).

Parents have the right/freedom to raise their children until the age of 18, her parents have the right/freedom to expose their child to education/counseling sources of their choosing until 18; including all religious education.

To blame the parents, doing what they think is right; or the "christian" counselors for being "narrow minded" is foolish.

Just because you learn/hear something in class doesn't mean you believe it; just because her counselor told her something doesn't mean it has to affect her; it is a choice.

We might disagree with the choice the parents made, we might choose to approach the concern differently with our own children, but make no mistake; the parents have the right to parent their children in America; blaming the choice of the parents for the free will choice of the child to take their own life is foolishness.

You have the right to parent your children in a different manner; because of this fact, you must respect the right of the child in question's parents to do likewise; otherwise you are a hypocrite; and really only want other's to parent according to your personal morality (selfishly motivated).

Everyone wants to be "accepted" by others; but what this child really needed, was to "accept" herself; if she truly did that one thing, she would have so much more value for herself that the thought of taking her own life would have been far removed.

It is a shame she did not learn to accept herself before she killed herself. It is a tragedy. If you want to place blood on someone else's hands for this unfortunate truth, that is your perception projected into your reality.

God Bless,



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
OK guys and gals...logic only zone here!

I feel bad that this specific situation happened. There are many people and beliefs to blame including religion and therapy is not necessiarily the solution.

However...the problem isn't so much society...at least not a problem that can be fixed. The problem is we are raising a generation unable to confront and deal with differences that are not "acceptable" to everyone. We can't change people who believe "it is just in their heads" and that "it is fixable". PERIOD!!! What we need to do is start raising our kids to be equipt to deal with this and regardless of what others say or think...mow on through...successfully.

So you are black, gay, transgender, ugly, fat, handicapped...whatever. Be who and what you are. Embrace who and what you are and get used to it. It is there forever (in many cases). But we don't teach and preach that. We say "oh...you need assistance", "you will always be looked down upon", etc. We treat these issues like they are a PROBLEM and the kids follow suit and BELIEVE they are a problem. No wonder they sometimes kill themselves. Teach them to have thicker skin and know that the opinions of others are not weapons against them.

Lets start with a simple lesson. If you are not happy in your own skin, with who and what you are...you have two choices. Change, or learn to love yourself. WE DON'T TEACH THAT! We teach "some won't like you...go out and protest" (for example). And when I say we...I don't mean just/only parents. The GROUPS that support these genres of people USE THEM without regard for the effect upon them. The GROUPS preach that "you will always be bad in some people's eyes" instead of "hey...ignore them and love yourself". Why? The GROUPS have agendas and goals and believe their "cause" is more important than the individual.

"Teach your children well"...old line from a song. It is family and friends that support an individual...not groups. Love your children regardless who and what they are, or believe they are. I understand the desire of a parent to have life be perfect for your child. It won't be perfect. But help fix the things that you can fix...not the ones that are part of what makes your child unique.


One of the best posts I have read in a very long time!

God Bless,



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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After reading this thread, I had to go to the length of signing up to the website and posting here in an effort to try and defend the girl.

First of all, she was very brave and courageous to express herself despite eventually taking her own life. While I was living with my mom and her boyfriend, I did my best to suppress it. I couldn't help but let my deeper female personality flourish and show itself at times, in the presence of my mom and her boyfriend. Now i'm 25, and well into my transition. I can attest to the fact that the condition is very real. I have confidence, everyone in public is friendly to me, HOWEVER, me being is the American south means that I have to feel persecuted sometimes just for walking out my front door.

Its wildly different in different parts of the united states in the world. Certain places, like Miami and san Francisco, I get praise and respect for being a trans girl.
I personally might have taken her in and tried to help. I live in Virginia beach, home to pat Robertson university, ( regent university, and jerry falwel's church, I read an article online that said Virginia beach is the third most conservative city in America. It's always being described as family-friendly.
Anyway, it takes a lot of proverbial balls to walk out in front of a truck like that, and I do agree that it was a somewhat selfish act on her part, but I imagine that she never once thought about it like that.

The issues is also divded by a serious generation gap. More and more younger people are trending to be more willing to understand her pain, whereas the trend for the elderly (40+), have not the slightest understanding of what it even means to be transgender. I personally love being this way, and the sex is great. I make a point of not hooking up with homosexual males on account of principle.

Maybe some of you cold-hearted jerks should watch some sh3-male porn. That is if your man enough to get into it without any mental hang-ups.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Can you please clarify your reply for me? I have a hard time understanding how this is not a mental illness.

The poor child was born as a male, with male genitalia. When he looked down at his genitalia, he should have seen that he was a male, and he should have accepted that fact, and should have grown up knowing without a doubt he was a male his entire life because he has physical proof in the form of his own genitalia.

Instead, at some point when he looked down at his genitalia, some type of mental gymnastics must have taken place. What thoughts and or ideas must have been running through his mind when he looked at his genitalia? Where did those thoughts and or ideas come from? Surely his mind didn't just say "I am female, and I should have female genitalia" on its own, out of the blue? There must have been some type of catalyst that made him start thinking that.

How can a mind which should have always known it was male because of physical reassurement and proof that it is male suddenly decide it is female on its own, without any outside influence, or some type of illness, mutation, or retardation?

I know there are minor differences between male and female brains, and it is possible his brain formed similar and or identical to a female brain while still retaining male genitalia. But he should have still identified himself as a male (just with feminine qualities).

Perhaps society brainwashed him and or caused him to believe he was "transgender" to begin with, and not just a boy with a strong feminine quality?

Perhaps he liked to play with dolls, and because society suggests that only females like playing with dolls, he thought he must be a female. Or perhaps he found himself liking what females like, and because society suggests males should like different things than females, he thought he must be a female. Perhaps some type of deep psychological confusion formed by suggestions from society caused all this to begin with?

No matter what, he should have known he was a male because of his genitalia. There must have been some type of mental issue going on for him to start believing otherwise. Unless you are suggesting that a female brain (without a body) will somehow know it is a female without any external influence?

If we could create a female brain in a lab, and it was born, alive and conscious, and lived without a body for 18 years, and we never told it it was a female brain, do you think it would suddenly decide it was female? Don't you think it would have to base that decision on influence from society (since it doesn't have genitalia to base that decision)?


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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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They can do a great job with the process if someone has a slim physique. If they don't, they look kind of like a guy in drag. Still to me, it's Frankenscience. Only gay men have a lasting interest in these 'conversions', so why not just be gay? I think there would be a lot less agony in just coming out as gay. Even though I don't think it's usually a good choice, I've always been friendly and supportive to those that go through with it. I knew one guy who did it because he got his junk blown off in combat, and thought that being female was at least a sex to be. a reply to: schuyler



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: ElohimJD

It is a shame she did not learn to accept herself before she killed herself. It is a tragedy. If you want to place blood on someone else's hands for this unfortunate truth, that is your perception projected into your reality.


I think she totally accepted who she was.

A future of disfigurement is what she didn't want. A future that was preventable by medical treatment her parents denied her.

Those blaming this teenager, have you yourself raised a kid through these teenage years?



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Parthin
Only gay men have a lasting interest in these 'conversions', so why not just be gay? I think there would be a lot less agony in just coming out as gay. [/post]



Gay and Transgender are not the same thing.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: WeAre0ne




"Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth," the American Psychological Association (APA) explains on its website. It's important to note that sex and gender are not always the same, though the terms are often used interchangeably


www.livescience.com...



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: Parthin
I knew one guy who did it because he got his junk blown off in combat, and thought that being female was at least a sex to be.


He still had a sex or a gender even after 'he got his junk blown off in combat'.......and if this really did happen then the chances are that he would've had a sex change at some point regardless.

It's not something that's done out of pure convenience.....



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Entreri06
Maybe I'm not understanding transgendered people. It is different from being a guy who is a guy but attracted to men right? It's actually a the "brain" of a woman born in a mans body right.


Yes. That is what Transgender is.

Female in every way, but the wrapping. Physical/chemical makeup of the brain (as far as science knows at this time).

Not a choice, not a mental illness.


That would be a mental illness then, not one that is fixable so no need to try or ostrisize them. But still would be a mental disorder being that you got a brain that didn't go with your body...



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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Ok, I'll be that guy and say it. I'll take the abuse. Look, I am sorry that this young man felt this way and this is a tragic story all around. But we all have disappointments. You were not born a girl. Get over it. You were born with a penis. Again, get over it. I get that you "wanted" to be a girl and I get that you "felt" that you should have been a girl. That's gotta be an odd thing to deal with and I am sure it was a struggle for you, one that I will never understand. But the rest of the World does not have to bend over backwards for you because you happen to think that you "should have been born a girl." I have no doubt that he experienced cruelties from his peers. I also happen to feel that his suicide was poorly though out, selfish, and misguided. And no, I will not be changing my worldview or opinion because one very sad and misguided young boy committed suicide. We all have disappointments. We all face cruelties. It is not fair to hurt your parents like this kid did because they (gasp!) dared to have feelings and opinions different than his. Did he deserve to be mocked or treated cruelly? Absolutely not. Anyone who treated him as such must bear their part in this. But did the entire World need to bend over backwards and pretend that he was a girl just so that his feelings would not be hurt? Did everyone else have to pretend that they did not know he was a boy so that, again, his own personal desires could be validated? No. He did not have that right. The rest of the World does not have to pretend that you are something you are not just so that you have happy feelings. It's a sad story on many levels and it's tragic that he did this to himself, but it's enough with the "I am whatever I feel like I am" garbage. No, you are not. Pull down your pants. Is there a penis there? Yes? Congratulations, you're a male member of the species. Is there a vagina there? Yes? Congratulations, you are a female member of the species. Your personal belief trumps neither nature nor reality, sorry. You may now flame away.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Entreri06
Maybe I'm not understanding transgendered people. It is different from being a guy who is a guy but attracted to men right? It's actually a the "brain" of a woman born in a mans body right.


Yes. That is what Transgender is.

Female in every way, but the wrapping. Physical/chemical makeup of the brain (as far as science knows at this time).

Not a choice, not a mental illness.


That would be a mental illness then, not one that is fixable so no need to try or ostrisize them. But still would be a mental disorder being that you got a brain that didn't go with your body...


No, it is not a mental illness.

It's physical/chemical brain (as far as science knows).

As a sexual expert stated: sexuality is not black and white, it is all shades of gray.

Sexual identity is not defined by the physical wrapping.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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edit on 2-1-2015 by Prezbo369 because: double post derp



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: Entreri06
That would be a mental illness then, not one that is fixable so no need to try or ostrisize them. But still would be a mental disorder being that you got a brain that didn't go with your body...


If we were to describe transgender people as having a mental disorder or illness then we'd be stigmatizing them with that label which would lead to prejudiced discrimination as well as ostracization.

There's more wrong with society than there is with them IMO.
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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Entreri06
That would be a mental illness then, not one that is fixable so no need to try or ostrisize them. But still would be a mental disorder being that you got a brain that didn't go with your body...


If we were to describe transgender people as having a mental disorder or illness then we'd be stigmatizing them with that label which would lead to prejudiced discrimination as well as ostracization.

There's more wrong with society than there is with them IMO.


Right, Let's all bend over backwards for the guy or gal who insists in spite of all physical evidence to the contrary that their gender is different than that which is as plain as the nose on my face. Heaven forbid their feelings are hurt. Yeah, it's much better that the rest of the World bend over to accommodate the feelings of one person. Makes total sense.



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: jaffo
Right, Let's all bend over backwards for the guy or gal who insists in spite of all physical evidence to the contrary that their gender is different than that which is as plain as the nose on my face. Heaven forbid their feelings are hurt. Yeah, it's much better that the rest of the World bend over to accommodate the feelings of one person. Makes total sense.


Bend over backwards? Everyone? wtf....

What exactly do you think you'll have to do for such people?

Refer to them as he/she? or by their chosen name? omfg!

This will probably shock you but.....this isn't about you...

But your response is typical of the problem with society.
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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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They're not quite the same, but in a social context, they are. I guess it just comes down to liking the equipment you were born with, or not. From what I've seen, being gay is a better adjustment than undergoing a radical transformation. a reply to: Annee



posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: jaffo
Right, Let's all bend over backwards for the guy or gal who insists in spite of all physical evidence to the contrary that their gender is different than that which is as plain as the nose on my face. Heaven forbid their feelings are hurt. Yeah, it's much better that the rest of the World bend over to accommodate the feelings of one person. Makes total sense.


Bend over backwards? Everyone? wtf....

What exactly do you think you'll have to do for such people?

Refer to them as he/she? or by their chosen name? omfg!

This will probably shock you but.....this isn't about you...

But it is the problem with society.


What exactly is the "problem?" That most people don't think it makes much sense for them to have to adjust their entire Worldview to suit one individual? Yeah, how selfish of the entire World not to take the time to adjust their entire reality to suit the desires of one individual who just "feels" differently than reality would dictate. You know what? I have always felt that I should have been born a tiger. I know I don't look like a tiger and that my genes are not tiger genes, but I just feel like I should have been born a tiger. Call me Mrs. Tiger from now on. Oh, and I am a lady tiger, even though I have a penis. Because again, my feelings. Because inside, I'm a tiger. You don't get to say otherwise either. Yeah, sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?
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posted on Jan, 2 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: ItCameFromOuterSpace
The kid would probably still be alive if he had never heard of "transgender".


No, the kid would probably still be alive if no one had ever heard of being "weird" or "different". If someone was always a welcome member of society no matter what they looked like or what they wore or how they acted, as long as they weren't hurting anyone. Then the kid would not only still be alive, the kid would even be happy.


Continuing to perpetuate a belief system in which a person's happiness and actions are the responsibilities of factors out of their control is the cause of the problem, not the solution.

Expecting society to change to make you happy is a losing game.

Owning responsibility for your own happiness, independent of what others say, do, or think, is the solution, not brainwashing people into thinking they need to be treated a certain way to be happy.




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