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CIA USING PAKISTAN TO GET OBL?

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 05:19 PM
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A newspaper report detailing the CIAs use of Pakistan territory for bases from which to launch operations to hunt terrorist mastermind bin Laden is being discounted by the Pakistani government. They also denied that the al-Qaeda leader was inside the country, though Karzai said he was in the region.
 



www.signonsandiego.com
The report in Monday's New York Times, citing anonymous American officials familiar with the operation, said the CIA had concluded that bin Laden was being sheltered by local tribesmen and foreign militants in northwestern Pakistan, and was suspected of controlling an elite terrorist cell that could be aiming to launch a "spectacular" attack against America.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Pakistan-U.S. cooperation has been a hot issue and this may be one part of the operation they do not want us to know about. The CIA operates covertly, no doubt, but how close are they to Pakistan's government and what is the nature of the relation? Check this story out.

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[edit on 13-12-2004 by Odysseus_attack]



dh

posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 07:15 PM
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The ISI is an extension of the CIA
Pakistan has no part in seeking CIA asset Bin Laden. All attacks on America are being planned from the inside
OBL is well protected until he's needed again



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by dh
The ISI is an extension of the CIA
Pakistan has no part in seeking CIA asset Bin Laden. All attacks on America are being planned from the inside
OBL is well protected until he's needed again


Exactly.

To go a little further:

CIA
ISI
Al-Qaida

OBL, if he's alive, is most likely secure within Pakistan.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 07:48 PM
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I always said that Pakistan knows exactly where OBL is and has not desire to turn him over.

They are just going alone with the US and getting pay pretty good for it.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 07:52 PM
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I would certainly hope that the CIA was inside Pakistan, working with the ISI to capture OBL. I would be deeply disappointed if they weren't. I only hope that publishing these rumors don't cause any American lives to be lost; though I doubt that OBL is not aware of us being on his tail.

May he never again get more than a few minutes sleep, and that if he does, it is troubled with dreams of the hell that his maker will inflict upon him for eternity.




posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I always said that Pakistan knows exactly where OBL is and has not desire to turn him over.

They are just going alone with the US and getting pay pretty good for it.


Why? Whats in it for musharraf? And if he were found out, he saw what happened in afghanistan, and probably knows that he'd be facing attacks from muslim radicals too.

I agree tho, bin ladin is probably in pakistan, supposedly waziristan, as has often been said. But this is a lawless region, not particularly cooperative with the central pak government, and they're also mostly pashtuns, the same ethnene that the taliban was from. I don't know what group musharraf is from, he looks like he's not a pashtun and maybe part of the people that came from india when the seperation started?

But he has no power in waziristan apparently. Not too long ago I saw a documentary where a woman was touring pakistan trying to investigate some of their attitudes torwards women and the taliban and other things like that. In the north, in a town where arms production was apparently a major cottage industry with weapons going over the border, she was walking around (head covered ina scarf but not full birka or anything liek that). It was particualrly interesting because they were generelly receptive to her. She asked one man who was supposed to be a taliban supporter or at least a fundamentalist student/teacher who had at least a local following. Anyway he instisted that the taliban were generally nice guys who never hurt anyone and didn't execute or abuse people at all. More interesting, she asked him about how women should act. He said c.f 'these are our mothers, sisters, and daughters(i htink he in fact dd not say wives) and shoudl be treated like that', which is cute, but overbearing and I'd think that a better answer would've been 'they're people'. SO then she shows him a photo of a woman from a billboard add. And here is why its revelant. She was completely covered, long sleeves, long pants, even a collar that covered the bottom of her neck, but her head was incovered, her hair done up, make up the works, and her clothes werea shiny silver material and very very tight, skin tight. Absolutely nothing uccommon in many parts of the world. He said that it was wrong and she shoudln't be dressing like that. He honestly didn't beleive she was pakistani.

The people in the north of that country are living in a very different, rural, conservative and religious lifestyle, as opposed to the people living in the south and east I suppose, who are urbane, city-dwelling, and moderate.

Just like any country things are different in differnt parts and I don't think that one can make overbroad generalizations about everyone there. The ISI and other groups in pakistand don't necessarily agree with musharraf on everything, and he himself is of course a military dictator who has multiple considerations for his power.

Broadly saying that the CIA runs everything over there, or that they're just pretending to side with the uS would be wrong.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Why? Whats in it for musharraf? And if he were found out, he saw what happened in Afghanistan, and probably knows that he'd be facing attacks from Muslim radicals too.



For him? nothing perhaps, but for others with power in that country that favor OBL, yes.

US has been more than nice to musharraf lately and why?

For cooperating with the US? on what? Bin-laden is a not show.

Perhaps the Pakistani government has been rewarded for turning their head to the other side when it comes to bin-laden whereabouts.



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 08:17 PM
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Actually there is a cooperative plan to move special forces into the mountains of Pakistan
some time between now and spring 2005.

This was already announced several weeks ago by George Friedman of Stratfor



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
For cooperating with the US? on what? Bin-laden is a not show

If the poo hits the proverbial fan in iran then a nuke armed militant pakistan will be very usefull. I'd say thats why musharraf is being favoured.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 12:07 PM
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Nygdan,

I agree with you on the last post, I guess you have a point there, but I feel that the "invasion" of Iran is on hold for now, due to lack of troops to do anything on the ground.

Perhaps if a draft is re-instated next year then we can said that Iran will be next in about 2 years, we will have to wait and see.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 12:27 PM
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As I have stated before: OBL is staying in the Lincoln bedroom in the White House, been there for years.

Actually, I think many of you have hit the nail on the head. OBL is in Pakistan, we know exactly where he is and he is secured. I do not think however that he (OBL) knows that or is willingly in cahoots.

He is a pawn at this point and will be used as such until our need for him changes. I think we will play the OBL card just before the $hit really hits the fan over Iraq. Talk about a change of topic, I can see the headline now:

"Today the death toll mounts in Iraq in the 6th year of the conflict bringing US casualties to 10,000.....WAIT, THIS JUST IN: USAMA BIN LADEN COUGHT ON THE PAKINSTAN BORDER...."

Or something to that effect



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by dh
The ISI is an extension of the CIA
Pakistan has no part in seeking CIA asset Bin Laden. All attacks on America are being planned from the inside
OBL is well protected until he's needed again


somebody watches too much "Alias."



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
I would certainly hope that the CIA was inside Pakistan, working with the ISI to capture OBL. I would be deeply disappointed if they weren't. I only hope that publishing these rumors don't cause any American lives to be lost; though I doubt that OBL is not aware of us being on his tail.

May he never again get more than a few minutes sleep, and that if he does, it is troubled with dreams of the hell that his maker will inflict upon him for eternity.



all in favor, say "i"

i

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posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Why? Whats in it for musharraf? And if he were found out, he saw what happened in afghanistan, and probably knows that he'd be facing attacks from muslim radicals too.


Well, for one thing, Musharraf can continue to 'put pressure on' elements of al-Qaeda and the Taliban under the guise of assisting with the US war on terror. This backs the US off of the fact that Pakistan is a hair's breadth from being the greatest muslim threat to US security worldwide. (Radical Islam + Nukes= Threat). This assistance allows Pakistan to continue to add to its nuclear arsenal unhindered (actually now with assistance).

Beyond this, there is nothing to say that the 'fighters' Musharraf has attacked in Pakistan have anything to do with al Qaeda. For all we know (being spoonfed BS news domestically) Musharraf is simply declaring enemies to his rule to be allied with al Qaeda and killing them on those grounds. Considering the political pressures in Pakistan, I would not be surprised if Musharraf is killing off his opposition, calling them al Qaeda and getting credit internationally for aiding in the 'war on terror'.

Meanwhile, he could be providing refuge to bin Laden by specifically NOT attacking areas where bin Laden is known to be. Why? When bin Laden resurfaces and attacks again, we'll throw a ton of money at Pakistan all over again to go after him. He becomes a sort of insurance policy. Once OBL is gone, our support of Musharraf and Pakistan will quickly crumble and we will find that nation back on the list of those sponsoring terrorism.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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It's too soon,

If OBL is captured now the neo-cons will have a harder time fabricating fear in terrorism and lack a strong boogy man. I mean c'mon who's this Zarqarwi guy? He's got nothing on the big bad Osama Bin Laden who was clearly behind 9/11 and deemed guilty just 48 hrs after that tragic day.

I rather fear the intentions of the evil martha stewart being in jail, hmm i wonder masterful plan she's got cooking behind bars anyways.

Hopefully she's baking up something delicious!



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