President informed that Obamacare may not be affordable

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
If this is true, he has some explaining to do to the American people.
This was supposed to save us money. $2500 per family if I recall correctly.
He either lied or was stupid enough to believe his own propaganda.

That is usually how liberalism in the extreme works, these people DO believe their own propaganda and, or, their own lies due to the idealistic nature of their extreme liberalism. It is all based on their dream like world view, which is based on delusion, wishful thinking, and fantasy.

And now people are paying the price for voting for these fools.

originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
a reply to: sirlancelot

The only reason Ted Cruz opposed Obama-care was because it was a Democrat idea. If his nut job friends had created the bill and renamed it "Jesus-care" or something, he'd be cheer-leading the bill. Ted Cruz is the same grade of clueless opportunistic douche-bag that Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and other "liberals" are. He just wears different team colors.

Not that it made any difference, because the Supreme Court also supported this travesty. Real opposition and real change never start in D.C., so it's foolhardy to expect this to be any different.

It would be nice if you could source some of your comments! Atleast he tried to do something against this POS law. To bad the Rhino's and the Dems have all the power. Considering every Senator has to raise $20,000 a week or something like that for re election they all have to sell out sooner or later or say bye bye come the next election.

originally posted by: DrJunk

originally posted by: sirlancelot
Ted Cruz doesn't look like such a right wing nut job know!

To be fair, yes he does.

Ok name three things to substantiate your comment?

originally posted by: peskyhumansrance coverage.

My fellow Americans, welcome to socialized medicine.

Fox News article

Socialized medicine?

Not even close, this is mandated corporatised medicine sir.

I hate Obamacare as much as the next guy, but was it somehow difficult to just look at systems around the world that actually worked and then institute a single payer system of our own? Obviously the benefit of the American people is not what they were interested in.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

originally posted by: peskyhumansrance coverage.

My fellow Americans, welcome to socialized medicine.

Fox News article

Socialized medicine?

Not even close, this is mandated corporatised medicine sir.

I hate Obamacare as much as the next guy, but was it somehow difficult to just look at systems around the world that actually worked and then institute a single payer system of our own? Obviously the benefit of the American people is not what they were interested in.

It didn't even wind up being divisive. Both the commie hunters and the collectivists hate it. At least we can fight about why we hate it. That oughta keep us distracted.

It'll never work when you're paying 100 dollars for a bandage and 10,000 dollars for overnight stay and 100,000 dollars for a surgery, 500 dollars for medicine. My doctor wanted to change my meds to something else said that it should be on the cheap list of drugs. I get to the pharmacy and they want 500 dollars for a months supply! Sick and tired of this lying ass government, saying everything is getting better. Yeah for YOU millionaire politicians it is. While the rest of us burn.

actually there are doctors running practices that charge 1/10 of what hospitals charge and insurance pretends to pay.

the large cost factors are actually all driven by the business model of hospitals insurance companies and big pharmaceuticals coupled with paying for indigent people who show up at emergency rooms. if ten thousand people wont pay 50 cents for a bandage you are going to pay 100 dollars just to cover them.

honestly... hospitals charge outrageous fees over and above what would be their profit mark up because number one it is subsidized; number two to make up for those unable or unwilling to pay, and because they hold monopoly power supported in large part by govt regulation and intervention.

in the same way student loans ensure that the universities and colleges will continue to raise prices at 4 times the inflation rate. the govt basically ensures they will get their filthy lucre and college for accreditisation has become mandatory for trades and professions and employment that really should not require a degree for entry.

a reply to: stormbringer1701

i agree with each point in this post...

...but point that Universities (theoretically) use those dollars for technology upgrades and research. Technology, in particular, requires frequent upgrades to make sure your students are being produced with the appropriate skill sets to get employed. Because a university that can't place graduates is a university that has no enrollment.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: peskyhumans

IMO making insurance mandatory will only increase the cost of care - just look at car insurance.

Exactly. This is why the insurance companies was pushing for the ACA to go through because the individual mandate gave them a license to steal. This is why so many peoples policies were canceled so that when people started a new policy they could jack up the rates.

I went to check the status of my insurance rate, and simply by clicking "search for plans" to compare what was out there, I lost my current plan and was forced to enroll a second time at the 6% increased rate current rate. If I had never clicked on the box to compare... I would have auto renewed at the lower rate. I wish I would have known that looking for cheaper insurance was the same thing as canceling my current one.

I cannot even have a discussion about Obamacare without going off... I had to go through bankruptcy last year just to "afford" my mandated insurance... great for insurance companies; terrible for my creditors who didn't get paid...

God Bless,

originally posted by: BushMaster16

resident informed that Obamacare may not be affordable:

Do you suppose they'll continue calling it the "Affordable Care Act" now rather than the derisive "Obamacare"?"

Because I remember when they (liberals) blamed republicans for trying to mockingly call it Obamacare.

Lets call it what it really is .............Expensive Care Act, or...........Obamanevercared. I have other names but it goes against T&C.

To be fair, "Obamacare" is something that Obama has called it, too. If i recall, his 2014 State Of The Union referred to it as Obamacare.

If its good, he wants it named after him. If its bad, he doesn't. Political spin.

originally posted by: peskyhumans He is now recommending that the ACA only cover basic levels of care, and that if anyone desires expensive surgery they will have to pay out of pocket.

(A) Gruber is a dufus. Both the GOP and Gruber himself exaggerates both his contribution and understanding of the legislation.

(B) ALL Surgeries are expensive

(C) He does not differentiate between basic levels of care and "expensive surgeries" like you claim..
He differentiates between necessary surgeries and elective surgeries that people ask for.
Put another way..Heart stint? Covered...Boob job?..Pay for it yourself.

From your article

“The real substance of cost control is all about a single thing: telling patients they can’t have something they want. It’s about telling patients, ‘That surgery doesn’t do any good, so if you want it you have to pay the full cost.’”

Feel free to return to the disinfo campaign...

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
PS: Russia, China, Cuba & North Korea are examples of people ruled by a Socialist government. Are you inferring that those governments are good for the people?

Here are the 10 most socialist countries in the world.

Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World

Just about all of them have a higher standard of living than America does. You can not like socialism all you want, but it helps to know exactly what you are hating. Because to me it looks like you are just hating the scary socialism boogeyman from Fox News while not educating yourself on what is and isn't a socialist country. Also, before you jump down my throat about being a liberal communist or something, I'm a Libertarian.

dbl post

a reply to: Indigo5

IF that is the case, hell yeah, boob jobs should NOT be covered.....or plastic surgery to make folks look younger....and those those kinds of thing insurance didn't cover in the past.

As long as it doesn't develop into anyone on Medicare or of a certain age cannot get heart stints, bypass surgeries, etc.
Or certain surgeries that are for non-life threatening things, such as correcting Morton's neuroma.

"President informed that Obamacare may not be affordable" Well geeeeeze I'm glad that someone has informed him of this, that makes me feel so much better now. Gee, thanks Obama!

my family doesn't have health "insurance". we are part of a group sharing plan. it's called medishare. it's a christian based company, and is acceptable as "health care" because that's what it is. i have to pay for my own health care so this has been a life saver for us. we are saving over $7,000.00 doing it. their are probably other companies similar to it you guys might want to check out. this one happens to be christian based, but others may not.

Somebody should have told him how deductibles work in this equation the first time around. Yes it's possible to have affordable rates, however it's not much good when the amount you still have to put down out of your own pocket is bigger than your entire savings. To be honest, public health care based on the insurance model for most people is a dumb idea.

When can we get something simpler and more streamlined like Canada and some of those European countries have? Single rate payer, covered in regular taxes (instead of some stupid penalty), and leave room in options for those who can afford and want their own private health care. That way everybody could win without the B.S.

originally posted by: stirling
GET THE MEDICARE PROVIDERS OUT OF THE EQUATION.....NATIONALISE THE DOCTORS SALARIES AND CUT THE HOSPITALS ALLOWED PROFIT MARGIN.....
THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS PRACTISING MEDICAL USERY ON THE PEOPLE...ITS A GODAMN SCAM

Yeah.

That's EXACTLY what we need - more government expenses to pump up deficits.

Y'all do what you want - this is one of the best plans I've seen yet to finish off the US.

I'll just be over here in the corner sharpening more punji sticks against the inevitable attempt to force the rest of us onto the communist bandwagon.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: American-philosopher

Nancy Pelosi's fav quote. we have to pass this wonderful bill so we can find out whats in it.

You left out part of the quote. This is the full quote. "But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."

How does that make it all better? The "fog of controversy" is the very REASON we have more than one person (theoretically) involved in running the country! Debate and controversy - seeing all sides of a question BEFORE deciding on it - is the only goddamned reason we even HAVE a bicameral legislature!

Also seeing how the ACA was debated on for over a year before it passed we already knew what was in it.

Seriously?

Then why is it that both sides are "suddenly" finding all these new revelations to be a "surprise"?

It's a real pisser when what is "already known" STILL surprises them.