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Legalized Marijuana Hasn’t Caused The Sky To Fall

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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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Legalized Marijuana Hasn’t Caused The Sky To Fall

It's been nearly a year since Colorado opened up its first pot shops and not a SINGLE one of the doomsday predictions from the anti-pot crowd has come true. In fact, all trends are pointing in the OPPOSITE direction from their predictions. Let's look.


Legalization has not increased teen pot use

Nationwide survey data published by the University of Michigan in December reported that marijuana use among teens, including self-reported incidences of daily pot use, declined in 2014. Separate data published earlier this year by the Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment similarly found that fewer high-school students are consuming cannabis, despite voters’ decision in 2012 to legalize the possession, production, and sale of the plant to adults. According to the survey, the percentage of Colorado high schoolers reporting having consuming marijuana within the past 30 days fell from 22 percent in 2011 to 20 percent in 2013. High school students’ lifetime use of cannabis declined from 39 percent to 37 percent during the same two years.

Multi-year analyses evaluating the passage of statewide medical marijuana laws and use rates among young people report a similar trend. For example, authors of a July 2014 paper published by the nonpartisan National Bureau of Economic Research assessed federal data on youth marijuana use and treatment episodes for the years 1993 to 2011 – a time period when 16 states authorized medical cannabis use. They determined, ”Our results are not consistent with the hypothesis that the legalization of medical marijuana caused an increase in the use of marijuana among high school students. In fact, estimates from our preferred specification are small, consistently negative, and are never statistically distinguishable from zero.”


Let's start off with the big one. Teen use is DOWN. Of course anyone with a brain can figure this out. When a shop is selling a controlled substance legally, there are rules they have to abide by before selling, just like alcohol. A shop could get shut down if they are caught selling to minors under 21. This is opposed to the illegal market where no questions are asked and all you need to obtain a bag of marijuana is money.


Mexican drug cartels have not invaded the legal market

To date, there is no tangible evidence indicating that states’ allowances of the production of cannabis for either medicinal or recreational purposes have provided enhanced opportunities for south-of-the-border drug traffickers. In fact, just the opposite appears true. According to a recent NPR report, the advent of legal pot in the U.S. is significantly reducing market demand for Mexican-grown weed – an economic development that is causing some Mexican cartels to steer clear of the pot market.

“Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90,” a 24-year-old pot grower in the northwestern Mexican state of Sinaloa told NPR. “But now they’re paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It’s a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they’ll run us into the ground. … The day we get $20 a kilo, it will get to the point that we just won’t plant marijuana anymore.”


This is pretty poignant since Nebraska and Oklahoma seem to think that the opposite is true, since that is one of the reasons they are suing Colorado.


Legalization isn’t associated with increased crime

According to findings published in April in the scientific journal PLOS ONE, the passage of medical marijuana laws is not positively associated with increases in criminal activity. “The central finding gleaned from the present study was that MML (medical marijuana legalization) is not predictive of higher crime rates and may be related to reductions in rates of homicide and assault,” authors reported. “In sum, these findings run counter to arguments suggesting the legalization of marijuana for medical purposes poses a danger to public health in terms of exposure to violent crime and property crimes.


Of course, when was the last time you heard of someone smoking a spliff then beating their wife? I've heard of tons of cases where people drink a few shots of Jack Daniels then beat their wife though.


The Feds have largely stayed out of the states’ affairs

Although marijuana remains illegal under federal law, the Obama administration has largely refused to interfere with state efforts to regulate the plant. A 2013 Justice Department memorandum to U.S. attorneys in all 50 states directed prosecutors not to interfere with state legalization efforts and those licensed to engage in the plant’s production and sale, provided that such persons do not engage in marijuana sales to minors or divert the product to states that have not legalized its use, among other guidelines.

Most recently, the President signed spending legislation into law that includes provisions restricting the Justice Department’s ability to take criminal action against state-licensed individuals or operations that are acting are in full compliance with the medical marijuana and/or hemp laws of their states – meaning that, for the immediate future at least, the feds intend to maintain a ‘hands-off’ approach when it comes to the legalization of pot.


And we end with a victory for states' rights. I see the 2015 year bringing more tolerance and legalization. If you aren't ok with this, then step out of the way. You are on the wrong side of history.



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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

S+F for you. I live in Denver and I am a small business owner. (Non marijuana related!) But I am reaping the benefits of our booming economy. It is wonderful right now.
Our crime rate has gone down. There are construction projects everywhere. Which is annoying in itself because of traffic, but it has provided growth and jobs that I do not believe would be here otherwise.

On a personal experience which touches on one of your points, my almost teen son thinks marijuana use is the stupidest thing ever. His words lol. There really isn't a day that goes by where we are out or driving around that you don't catch a whiff of the stuff. People use pretty regularly regardless of where they are, and there are dispensaries and grow ops in many locations. I think the over saturation of it has made it "less cool" to him. I really hope it stays that way! I am not against it, and if he wants to use as an adult, that's his decision. But I'd prefer to not have to deal with that for quite some time.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Basic economic knowledge and common sense. These things are not rampant in todays knee-jerk society. Legalize the stuff nationwide. I still won't touch it, but I completely support those that would.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: alishainwonderland

As long as he doesn't want to push his beliefs onto others, I don't care what he thinks about usage. Though he makes a good test case that with legalization DOESN'T come teen desire to want to use more. I've been a long time advocate of the forbidden fruit idea of it being illegal. Kids want to do it because they can't.


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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: alishainwonderland

The thing is to kids is, if it is illegal, it is deemed cool or kids want it more! If it is legal, what is the fun in being a rebel kid looking for trouble?

If they did this with all drugs, use might go up initially but once it is legal and adults decision to do it...It will eventually go down and people won't want it because of it's "status" of being legal....Every plant needs legalized, God put it here for a reason and we are finding out fast that there may be medical qualities to these so called bad drugs....



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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Wonderful thread. No doom and gloom, doom porn, mass deaths, missing planes, bombings, no threats or other bad news.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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Wish the old bitch/battleaxe of a home Secretary in the UK would grow a few brain sells a listen to the police, Prison staff , Doctors, Drug adversary experts , MP Norman Baker (THE FREAKING DRUG MINISTER!!!! Why the hell do we have a drug minister anyway in the UK if he has to go through the home sec to make drug policy?) and look at the USA, Spain and Portugal.

From womens rights to gay marriage the UK has normally been a year or two ahead of America when it comes to non gun related civil liberties but we seems lagging on this.....


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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Legalized Marijuana Hasn’t Caused The Sky To Fall.


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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

Hopefully a precedent has now been set and Marijuana is just the beginning.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus




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Can't argue with that comment.

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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Greetings- I couldn't agree more as it relates to the alcohol related instances of Domestic Violence and any other violent crimes as far as that is concerned. After handling 100's of cases of Domestic Violence while I was a beat cop I can attest to NEVER going to a d.v. disturbance and have the (v)-ictim tell Me that the (s)-uspect had used cannabis prior to the assault. The (s) may have used cannabis in conjunction with another controlled substance but NEVER cannabis alone. Cannabis and booze? Absolutely, and P.C.P. Yes, and methamphetamine? yes. In most of these cases the cannabis was used to "come down" from the stimulant usage aka "Working the other side of the street"

I won't even use the "M word" probably because of My early Catholic™ guilt upbringing and I feel a tad complicit in the lie.

namaste

P.S. good luck getting a full 2.2 lbs. on a key in Mexico, it isn't called a "Mexican Kilo" (2.0 lbs.) for nothing.. I learned this while working Special Investigations and 100s of cases of undercover buys including 'hand-to-hands'.
And I never lost a case for cannabis possession in which I arrested someone for cannabis possession



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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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But, But...it's a gateway drug and will lead users to using harder stuff like beer and wine, even whisky. Just a sarcastic use of the old "reefer madness" propaganda that the PTB used so effectively.

Legalization and decriminilization of MJ will skyrocket now that it is seen a money making proposition...here come the corporate big boys to try and control the market, just like tobacco.... Mark my words!

Need evidence; here ya go....

www.phillymag.com...

www.theamericanconservative.com...
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posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: LiveForever8
a reply to: crazyewok

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

Hopefully a precedent has now been set and Marijuana is just the beginning.



I doubt it the rod up the tory governments butt has a rod up its butt.

I doubt Labour will be any better either.

Both these days want control and loath to give any up. why else have successive governments failed to do the logical thing based on what experts say is better?



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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Wait just a damn minute... where's nwtrucker? Isn't it time for him to pop in and tell us that there are reports (no links of course) that say that kids in Colorado are going blind or growing hair on their palms cause of legalized weed? What have you done with him? I smell conspiracy.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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Are you sure? It seems like the sky has been falling over here all winter. Snow sucks.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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“Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90,” a 24-year-old pot grower in the northwestern Mexican state of Sinaloa told NPR. “But now they’re paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It’s a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they’ll run us into the ground. … The day we get $20 a kilo, it will get to the point that we just won’t plant marijuana anymore.”


Those prices are outrageous!??!?

I've been paying about 5000$ a kg for the last 20 years...this just doesn't make sense.

40$ a kilo = 2 cents for a joint

What the hell is he talking about.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: theMediator

Must have meant quarter.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: theMediator



“Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90,” a 24-year-old pot grower in the northwestern Mexican state of Sinaloa told NPR. “But now they’re paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It’s a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they’ll run us into the ground. … The day we get $20 a kilo, it will get to the point that we just won’t plant marijuana anymore.”


Those prices are outrageous!??!?

I've been paying about 5000$ a kg for the last 20 years...this just doesn't make sense.


40$ a kilo = 2 cents for a joint

What the hell is he talking about.


It's the middle man that makes all the money. That is the American way.



posted on Dec, 31 2014 @ 04:45 PM
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That's from a Mexican farmer. The cartels pay them next to nothing for the product - but the markup on Mexican cannabis isn't exactly huge, anyway. It's not a sought-after product and is generally considered by those who enjoy cannabis to be of a much lower quality. And then you factor in the cartel connection, and it's just not something most people want. Brick weed.
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