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Stupid Cops...?

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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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Allow me to tell a story from the other evening at work:

Got a call from a citizen (yea, our citizens still like us enough to call us about things) about a guy sitting in a parked, idling vehicle in the parking lot of a shopping center who appeared to be drinking in the car. Went out to go make contact with the caller, who pointed us over to where the vehicle was parked. I say "us" because the department has a two-unit rule after dark. Sorry folks, that's just how it is. So we go and make contact with the guy in the car. Clearly smell alcohol. Can see the bottle he's trying to hide behind the front passenger seat. During the course of our conversation, the guy says he's just sitting in the car while his wife shops, he'd had a long day running all over town shopping with her, wanted a beer, blah blah blah. We ask him to step out so we can do our field sobriety test on him, which he does not pass. While this is all going on, his ID is being run. Lo and behold, he's been revoked for three DUIs. So we let this fella know that, in our illustrious state, he could be very easily find himself arrested for DUI yet again, purely because he was sitting in the car, with an open container, intoxicated, while the car was on and he was in control of it. I'm not looking to debate the law with anybody, by the way. It is what it is. The state defines being in control of the vehicle as including having ready access to everything one needs to "make it go" and being in the driver's seat (keys in/near the ignition, person in the driver's seat, etc) and that includes sitting in it while it's parked, in the driver's seat, with the engine on. Or off, for that matter.

So what did we big bad cops do?

Made him pour out the rest of his beer and go find his wife.

That's right. We didn't throw him on the hood of his car. We didn't charge him with anything. We didn't cuff him up. Didn't even yell at him. Dumped out his beer and made him walk away.

So the moral of the story? Not all of law enforcement are jerks. Not all of law enforcement are bullies. Not all of law enforcement are out to ruin peoples' day. Not all of law enforcement are idiots, or stupid, or of below average intelligence. I expect to see a certain degree of blanket generalizations and blanket hate speech directed towards law enforcement as a whole. "Those people" are out there. I expect to get the same treatment from our frequent fliers (a frequent flier being somebody who can't stop getting arrested for one reason or another). Heck, I even expect to get called a shill, if for no other reason than I work for "the man." What I don't expect to see is the thinly veiled, or not veiled at all, insults and hateful speech hurled at myself and other members of the LE community who visit ATS. Questioning my (or others) intelligence or outright calling us stupid (even if it's worded in such a way that at first blush it doesn't appear to violate T&C) is pretty uncalled for. You have every right to disagree with me or anybody else, just as we have every right to disagree with you. It seems to have gotten worse in the last week or so and I don't really understand why. I'm fully aware that some of the things discussed here are hot button issues. Things will get heated. People will get mad. But at that point it's a good idea to walk away for a bit and come back later. ATS is better than this, though.

Anyway, this concludes my rant. Just as not all of "you" are the same, neither are all doctors, law enforcement, garbage men, plumbers, or any other walk of life. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they're dumber than you are. Just because somebody has a particular career doesn't mean they're a bad person, or a good person. Not taking people for who they are as a person instead of assuming they're something just because of what they do for a living is about as silly as making assumptions based off what color car they have.

Happy Monday, hopefully you're off. Stay safe with whatever your New Year's plans are, if any. Don't drink and drive. If you're going to drink and drive, drink milk instead. If you can't drink milk, drink water. Hug your kids. Or spouse. Or dog or cat or gerbil or snake. Take care!

Shamrock6
edit on 29-12-2014 by Shamrock6 because: Left out a word that totally changed the context of a sentence. Oof

 


Please read this linked mod note......
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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:10 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The vast majority of cops are hard working good people. They have difficult jobs and they do them with integrity and ethics. The cops that have to take care of the inner city situations are walking into war zones. The thugs and gangs are, many times, better armed than the cops are. There are a small percentage of cops who are combative idiots. (There are idiots everywhere.) Those idiots give the police profession a big black eye and they are being used as an excuse for people to hate cops.

The amount of cop-hate rhetoric I'm seeing online is uncalled for and disturbing. It's just inflammatory and not helping the situation.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




edit on 12/29/2014 by FlyersFan because: oops .. spelling error



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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Well done .. you guys have a rough job with all that you have to put up with from the public .. and from certain quarters here on ats .. will admit I dont have the temperment for the job and having dealt with police in several countries over the years found them over all polite .. professional and on the times needed them helpful .. even have coffee with some of them on my trips downriver .. not to mention more than one occasion had police in china and japan give me a ride back to the hotel after a night out ..

All professions have their bad apples .. dont judge by the actions of a few boneheads ..
Hope making sense .. out at present having conversation at club and translating while posting ..



Dont let the idiots get to you .. keep up the good work ..
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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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The only problem that I see is that the guy needed to be arrested.

He has an alcohol abuse issue, and he had no business in the car with the keys.

Big what if, but what if he had been involved in a DUI crash later that night that killed innocent person(s)?




So the moral of the story? Not all of law enforcement are jerks. Not all of law enforcement are bullies. Not all of law enforcement are out to ruin peoples' day. Not all of law enforcement are idiots, or stupid, or of below average intelligence.

I would not call you a jerk, bully or an idiot if you had arrested him. You would have just been doing your job.
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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:25 AM
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Yup, cops are people too.

I can't count how many times I've had good encounters with police. You'd be amazed just how nice they really are when you just sit there and talk to them like a normal human being.

They actually respond in kind... (oh shock, oh surprise).




But why anyone in their right mind would choose a line of work that places them smack dab into the center of a warzone in cities like Detroit, et al... baffles me to no end.

Soldiers serving in friggin Afghanistan have a better chance of getting out in one piece than these poor bastards do.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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Most online hate for LE is in my opinion because they got a bad speeding ticket or something.
I have had MANY run ins with police and have never had a problem.
My traffic stop last year lasted about 45 seconds.

I respect them and they have shown respect back...simple.

There was a man with a gun call in the summer (which was me) and they were very cool about it.
No charges,no hassles and no problems.
Respect goes a long ways.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
The only problem that I see is that the guy needed to be arrested.

He has an alcohol abuse issue, and he had no business in the car with the keys.

Big what if, but what if he had been involved in a DUI crash later that night that killed innocent person(s)?




So the moral of the story? Not all of law enforcement are jerks. Not all of law enforcement are bullies. Not all of law enforcement are out to ruin peoples' day. Not all of law enforcement are idiots, or stupid, or of below average intelligence.

I would not call you a jerk, bully or an idiot if you had arrested him. You would have just been doing your job.


The other officer hung out in the parking lot for a while to watch the car and do paperwork. I went in to some of the stores in the shopping center to talk to some of the loss prevention and management. His wife drove when they left. If he'd driven, we would've nabbed him. Probably should've included that in the relation of the story. Apologies (see what I did there?)



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6


You have every right to disagree with me or anybody else, just as we have every right to disagree with you. It seems to have gotten worse in the last week or so and I don't really understand why.

Maybe your arguments here about Michael Brown and Eric Garner fall on the side of 'law and order' a bit much when clearly those two cases are representative of police abuse of authority.

In Browns case, the whole justice system stinks to high heaven. Yet every post you make in these discussions supports the justice system blindly and marginalizes any protest movement as riots, thieves and looters. If you wanted an opinion about that, there it is. Not judging your job performance just your posture as a whole towards recent unjust events in the main stream.

Sorry for insulting you yesterday.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:50 AM
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the whole justice system stinks to high heaven


Its not a court of justice...its a court of law,2 different ballgames.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

A neighbor of mine was going for a walk downtown...(our neighborhood)...and she saw a woman and a young man exchange money and (a substance that now is legal in Washington)...then it wasn't...anyway...2 Policemen approached the 2 and made her give back the merchandise... and him give back to her the money...and told them both to knock it off...and then they went away. These 2 people did not get arrested...just a friendly verbal warning.

Also...my own personal experience is...in one of the past years in Seattle...we had a very snowy winter...the city buses were not running as frequently etc. so I was stuck having to walk home from work...which was several miles...as I was walking a police car drove up and the Policeman asked if I would like a ride home...I accepted and got a very safe escort home...a pleasant conversation...and a good positive experience with law enforcement.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: DrumsRfun




Most online hate for LE is in my opinion because they got a bad speeding ticket or something.


I'm one of those people that sits there laughing and joking with the police officer while he's writing up my speeding ticket (yes, I have a lead foot). Nothing better than putting a smile on someone's face who has to dole out humdrum speeding tickets all day long in -35 celsius temperatures.

If one can't laugh at one's own stupidities, there's just no reason to breath anymore.




posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6




His wife drove when they left. If he'd driven, we would've nabbed him.

I actually assumed (I know, bad thing to do) that this was the case.
He still could have driven that evening after leaving the parking lot with her.

I am all for people that break the law being held to the law.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Shamrock6


You have every right to disagree with me or anybody else, just as we have every right to disagree with you. It seems to have gotten worse in the last week or so and I don't really understand why.

Maybe your arguments here about Michael Brown and Eric Garner fall on the side of 'law and order' a bit much when clearly those two cases are representative of police abuse of authority.

In Browns case, the whole justice system stinks to high heaven. Yet every post you make in these discussions supports the justice system blindly and marginalizes any protest movement as riots, thieves and looters. If you wanted an opinion about that, there it is. Not judging your job performance just your posture as a whole towards recent unjust events in the main stream.

Sorry for insulting you yesterday.


My arguments about Garner were that the officer was out of line and that my personal opinion was that, from the outside looking in, he should've been punished by NYPD at a minimum, if not indicted. Also stating that I was not privy to the evidence given to the grand jury and not believing the grand jury was in on it doesn't change my opinion on that. How that can be perceived as being on the side of law and order, I don't know. I still feel that if the Garner family pursues a civil rights case, and they should, they should win.

I acknowledge that there are holes in the Brown case. But there are holes in both sides, not just one.

This is all pretty much what I'm getting at. Most of the LEOs here that comment (and are willing to admit to being LE) also come down on the other side of the "fence" when we truly feel that way and yet that goes out the window when we don't. We disagree and suddenly we're pigs and whatnot. If anything I would hope/think that our refusal to walk the party line would show that we're entirely capable of looking at a situation objectively. It's just old and tired how quickly and conveniently people forget all the "yea that guy crossed the line big time" comments. I know that many of the comments ive posted have simply been attempts to clarify a point of law or policy, and somehow it gets taken as a personal attack by somebody because it doesn't line up with their take on things.

Accepted

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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:20 AM
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Well that was nice of you guys.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:21 AM
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Most of us know there are good people in the profession. You're the ones that are supposed to be helping us against your bad brothers- exposing the corruption and helping to end it.

Sadly, we do not see enough of this. Think of it as how people in other countries think they hate all 'americans' when it's our renegade government f'ing things up for the world. They think we should be able to stop this, because we have the vote. We do not vote this horror away or do anything to change it...so obviously, we must condone it.

You good boys need to take out the bad boys.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: DrumsRfun


Its not a court of justice…its a court of law,2 different ballgames.

Neither is "law enforcement" suppose to enforce the law or deliver justice, thats up to the courts.

Distinctions that are ever vague nowadays.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Look at it this way.
If someone calls you a pig...awesome,pigs and pork taste awesome and bacon is a kickass thing that comes from pigs.
Who doesn't like bacon and pork chops....I see it as a compliment.
If someone called me an eggplant I might get pissed off because those things taste like crap.
Meh...just lightening the mood.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:37 AM
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Now, for an important question:

If a cop sees a law being violated and refuses to address that case.... as in being a nice guy..... as in letting his brother-in-law slide when he is pulled over and is drunk, is that cop breaking a law?

When a cop lets someone slide, being a nice guy and all, and doesn't give them a ticket because they are a nice old lady.... but gives the next person (that is guilty of the very same infraction) a ticket.... is this right?



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: DrumsRfun
a reply to: Shamrock6

Look at it this way.
If someone calls you a pig...awesome,pigs and pork taste awesome and bacon is a kickass thing that comes from pigs.
Who doesn't like bacon and pork chops....I see it as a compliment.
If someone called me an eggplant I might get pissed off because those things taste like crap.
Meh...just lightening the mood.




A radish would be worse. I hate radishes. I might Tase somebody over that.

Y'know...if I had a Taser.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6


We disagree and suddenly we're pigs and whatnot.

Being called names shouldn't surprise or offend you. My guess you get a lot of that already…

Nothing so offensive as a belligerent drunk.

We lock horns here because we disagree on whether the state is becoming too authoritarian or not, not whether you do a good job. You have set yourself up to represent the state during times when the state isn't looking so benevolent.



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