i have real problems with this bible code thing, the bible was written over thousands of years by differant people in differant languages, then put together in a crude order. the names change from yahweh to elohim to jehova, i doubt its even the same god they are refering to due to the change in his behaviour from one book to the next. if u ask me the bible code is a load of crap and should be treated as such.....

Originally posted by the dustman
i have real problems with this bible code thing, the bible was written over thousands of years by differant people in differant languages, then put together in a crude order. the names change from yahweh to elohim to jehova, i doubt its even the same god they are refering to due to the change in his behaviour from one book to the next. if u ask me the bible code is a load of crap and should be treated as such.....

If you knew that the Torah was copied word for word, space for space, exactly as set forth would it make any difference? The instructions for copying the Torah are very specific. Minor mistakes cause complete destruction. A fact that always interested me. No I understand why. The code is real, no mistake.

The possibilty of codes written within the text of the Bible is dependant on the accuracy of millenia of translation...and the earliest texts in existance, like the Dead Sea Scrolls and similar stories on Cuneiform tablets found in what was ancient Sumeria would have to be the only books we could use.

What I personally believe may be the source of the codes, if they are in the Bible at all, would have been by the Early Christian Fathers way back in about 300AD.

IMHO that is

Whenever we're talking about making words fit a pattern (like a code or rhythm), it seems to take a changed or forced form. For example, if you wanted to make poetry rhyme, you have to use certain words thereby changing what you were going to originally say or mean. By doing this, you create a more difficult message that takes a few read-throughs to get right. Now why would God, one to be of understanding and light, throw in secrets, codes, and unclear representations in order to make it fit the numbers? Sorry but this isn't making sense to me. Numerology looks more like supersititon to me than fact. If someone would like to clarify, feel free.

For example -

Original message:
I feel our love blossoming like a rose at the first kiss of dawn.

Forced rhythmic:
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I just want to say,
"I love you."


Pray, train, study.
God Bless.

Originally posted by saint4God
Whenever we're talking about making words fit a pattern (like a code or rhythm), it seems to take a changed or forced form. For example, if you wanted to make poetry rhyme, you have to use certain words thereby changing what you were going to originally say or mean. By doing this, you create a more difficult message that takes a few read-throughs to get right. Now why would God, one to be of understanding and light, throw in secrets, codes, and unclear representations in order to make it fit the numbers? Sorry but this isn't making sense to me. Numerology looks more like supersititon to me than fact. If someone would like to clarify, feel free.

The current "reading" of the codes is very simplistic and barely in the 2+2 stage. Complex mathmatics may show more complete data.

Originally posted by saint4God
Whenever we're talking about making words fit a pattern (like a code or rhythm), it seems to take a changed or forced form. For example, if you wanted to make poetry rhyme, you have to use certain words thereby changing what you were going to originally say or mean. By doing this, you create a more difficult message that takes a few read-throughs to get right. Now why would God, one to be of understanding and light, throw in secrets, codes, and unclear representations in order to make it fit the numbers? Sorry but this isn't making sense to me. Numerology looks more like supersititon to me than fact. If someone would like to clarify, feel free.

God encoded the bible in a way that the code would not be found until computers were invented. The ELS code could not of been done by man alone, it has too much going on to be just coincidental. There is also Theomatics which is a totally different type of code in the bible which proves God encoded the bible.

This title is a somewhat circular argument and therefore makes no sence...

1. IF bible codes are real (which i doubt, but thats another topic) THEN someone created it. What is the only being that can make such codes? God

2. So the mere existance of the "bible codes" presupposes that God put them there.

3. Therefore even if God is not explicitly mentioned in the 'bible codes' by definition he must exist if you believe the codes are real.

Big deal...

It sounds more like the writer of the book is just trying to peddle some more books to the gullible.

It happens all the time in the UFO field, "amazing findings" on close analysis are not, but just a form of advertising to sell books and fill conferences.

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Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by the dustman
i have real problems with this bible code thing, the bible was written over thousands of years by differant people in differant languages, then put together in a crude order. the names change from yahweh to elohim to jehova, i doubt its even the same god they are refering to due to the change in his behaviour from one book to the next. if u ask me the bible code is a load of crap and should be treated as such.....

If you knew that the Torah was copied word for word, space for space, exactly as set forth would it make any difference? The instructions for copying the Torah are very specific. Minor mistakes cause complete destruction. A fact that always interested me. No I understand why. The code is real, no mistake.

I believe that the reason that the instructions are so specific and strict for copying the Torah is because it is a code, similar to a computer program coding. Even a minor flaw would alter the entire meaning. This is echoed at the end of the New Testament; as well, in which a stern warning is given to anyone who alters any part of any of it.

by Netchicken 1. IF bible codes are real (which i doubt

Appearantly some skeptics didn't do enough research to rid themselves of their doubt and then they have the nerve to call those who have done the research, the gullible.

Originally posted by ledbedder20
If you want to believe the messages that come through in the code, for the sake of proving God's existence, then you must believe all of them:

Satan is Eloah/God, Satan is YHWH, Jehovah is a liar, Jehovah is dead, there is no Jehovah, Yeshua is not God, there is no truth, there is no evil, there is no goodness, there is no redemption, there is no Messiah, etc.
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now let's not be too reasonable!

Originally posted by ledbedder20
"The actual truth about the Bible codes was finally revealed by statistical analysis: they do not just exist in the Pentateuch; they are found everywhere. ELS codes are found with approximately equal frequency in the Book of Genesis, the Qur'an, Tolstoy's "War and Peace," or in any sufficiently long text written in any language -- probably even in this web site which totals over 30 megabytes of text. "

So, unfortunately, the only thing proving the existence of god to anyone is your own personal faith. Sorry guys.
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a gift of faith of which i am thankful for!


the bible can be affirmed by history. faith is affirmed by the Holy Ghost. history is not hidden. why would a (physical) code need to be? faith is hidden from some, the reason of which is not fathomable, but this is spiritual and not physical.

daved

Kabbalah has nothing to do with ELS codes and nothing to do with trendy new age books, Kabbalah is at least 2000 years old...

The differing names of God all have specific meaning corresponding to the appropriate Sephora

In the beginning there was the word, and the word was god...

I always wondered what would happen if they looked for codes in different languages and not just Hebrew. They might find something.

Or maybe the bible was just written by a bunch of guys sitting around bored and writting stuff to keep the people occupied/under control. What better way to keep a group of people under control than writting a book, claiming its from some all powerful being. I just personally find majority religions full of crap.

How many leaders have through out history have claimed to be god or have a mandate from God? Bush comes to mind.

It is the eternal question. Who am I. Where do I come from.

People fill in the blank with an almighty creator.

I have always been taught that there was a hidden knowledge, or a hidden book or something that was saved for the "last generation" and this last generation would be the only ones to be able to read it. I believe that the bible code is this hidden book or hidden knowledge that has been promised to the last generation.

I am wondering if these bible codes have anything about the pyramids and/or the sphinx in them.

How does any of this explain why similar codes appear in any text of sufficiently large size, or how there are mutually contradictory codes in the bible? How does it distinguish between the 'real' ones, and the necessary accidental ones that must be there?