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Missing Plane Air Asia

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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
Debate implies two sides. What's your problem?a reply to: Jobeycool

That is my whole point.Still is a conspriacy website to debate about.
edit on 29-12-2014 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: DancedWithWolves

IIRC, wasn't it just one family or something that missed the flight because of the different departure time? And didn't the airline say they sent some kind of notification to all passengers? Did they say when the airline sent the notification? There could be legitimate reasons for bumping up the departure time.

No problem.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: Cosmocow
Smoke spotted on island...just scrolled on CNN

And CNN needs to quit calling the relatives " anxious"... More like devastated


A little cautionary info being shared via Twitter on the reports of smoke...





posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: justwanttofly

Another family decided not to fly because of a sick relative, in addition to the family of 10. There were 23 no shows if memory serves. Legitimate reasons can ultimately be contributing factors in hindsight...

I remember reading that both an email and voice call went out to passengers informing them the flight would depart two hours earlier...how often that happens and if it matters...I don't know yet. It just sticks out as an underreported fact that has not been shared by anyone in authority...only via passengers who missed the flight.

Thanks



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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Ok - let me summarize:

1) CEO dumps 50% of his shares of the owner company of AsiaAir last week in the market.
2) Some random dude sends out 39 warnings about a potential major issue with an Malaysia operated flight over the past 2 weeks.
3) The flight is rescheduled 2h earlier - how many times does that happen? Usually it's the opposite!
4) The pilots requests to change from FL340 to FL380 but another flight was already operating at that altitude with little safety margin and got "delayed" .. a couple minutes later the flight vanishes .. even a climb to this altitude will take a couple minutes.
5) There were at least 2 flights behind/ in front QZ8501 within the same altitude.
6) The search area is a major hub for shipping and there were numerous ships in the vicinity ..

So now it could be true that something serious happened in those clouds and they really had bad luck and considering the weather out there right now, it's not easy to scan the surface .. However considering the speed, altitude - the search area is very limited and the average depth of the ocean is barely a 100ft ..

If they don't find any trace within the next couple hours (not days) something stinky is going on! Seriously!



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: DancedWithWolves

I just read that the email you mentioned was sent out 15 Dec. Flightaware shows a departure time of 0520 local going all the way back to 19 Dec. It's conceivable that some kind of scheduling or logistical conflict came up that required the schedule to be shuffled around a little bit. Not uncommon in the airline industry.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: justwanttofly
a reply to: Granite

This is a weather image overlaid with the aircraft's flight path. It's pretty much a guarantee that they were trying to turn/climb to navigate through the storms.



While they usually occur during those times, intense weather systems can come through anytime if the conditions are right. I live somewhere that gets very bad storms during the afternoons and evenings and every once in a while we get a just as hellish storm come through at night.

With that kind of wx, why fly the planned route, I wonder. I would divert right after take off, or wait out the bloody wx and refuse to take off.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: opethPA

Just want to ask a question of the pilots/aviation pros here,

If a plane of this size was to stall at 30 000 feet , would it not have plenty of space below to gather air speed and recover?

Thanks to all the input in this thread

Just heard smoke detected on island in search zone , hope good news in there.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:35 PM
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This was posted on the RT Twiter on December 28 and maybe it holds the key to what happen to the missing AirAsia flight.

twitter.com...

RTVerified account
‏@RT_com
Another #AirAsia flight (Penang - Langkawi) turns back with technical difficulties - reports on.rt.com...



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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Has anyone heard from the other flights near this one. Obviously, there were a few relatively close. Did they report anything severe?

It looks like a few passed through the same storm around the same time. They will usually radio each other and report problems.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: yeahna

If they recognized a stall, then yes.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: yeahna
a reply to: opethPA

Just want to ask a question of the pilots/aviation pros here,

If a plane of this size was to stall at 30 000 feet , would it not have plenty of space below to gather air speed and recover?

Thanks to all the input in this thread

Just heard smoke detected on island in search zone , hope good news in there.
Yes fairly simple to recover from a stall at 30000 ft, plenty of altitude.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: Nochzwei

There are a number of different explanations ranging from business decisions to human factors. I am not sure what the dynamic between the Captain and dispatch(who actually does all the flight route and load planning) is, but the Captain could've fought the dispatcher to get a route 30 or 50 miles to the west. Maybe the company planned a route through the weather because they didn't want to spend extra money on fuel and expected to crew to navigate through the storms(low cost airlines such as this one are no strangers to penny pinching and corner cutting). It's possible that the Captain had an urgency to finish out the leg/trip and get home as soon as possible, and trudged straight through the storm to make that happen. Plenty of factors go into consideration.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: yeahna

These planes are built to recover from a stall at a few hundred feet, 30,000 is more than enough. The problem is not recognizing the stall, whether that's a result of faulty instruments, fatigue, or something else.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: Daughter2
Has anyone heard from the other flights near this one. Obviously, there were a few relatively close. Did they report anything severe?

It looks like a few passed through the same storm around the same time. They will usually radio each other and report problems.


Yeah there were at least 2 planes flying in the same direction and at least 1 flying the opposite one.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 11:28 PM
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Fighting with the dispatch ain't enough and regardless of any dynamics under the sun, the captain is the final authority to fly thru, divert or refuse take off. This bloke with 6100 flight hours bungled into that wx is un excusable
a reply to: justwanttofly



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: Nochzwei

Fighting with dispatch is certainly enough to get a different route planned. What I'm saying though is I don't know whether that is something condoned like in the US, or if it is similar to the CRM issues that have been pointed out earlier where the Captain would just go along with it and not say anything.



posted on Dec, 30 2014 @ 12:59 AM
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Objects resembling plane parts have been found in the sea...


Items resembling an emergency slide, plane door and other objects have been spotted in the sea during an aerial search for missing AirAsia flight QZ8501.

An AFP photographer on the search flight that spotted the possible debris said he had seen objects in the sea resembling a life raft, life jackets and long orange tubes.

Indonesian air force official Agus Dwi Putranto told reporters: 'We spotted about 10 big objects and many more small white-coloured objects which we could not photograph.'

'The position is 10 kilometres from the location the plane was last captured by radar,' he said.


www.skynews.com.au...



posted on Dec, 30 2014 @ 01:30 AM
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originally posted by: daaskapital
Objects resembling plane parts have been found in the sea...


Items resembling an emergency slide, plane door and other objects have been spotted in the sea during an aerial search for missing AirAsia flight QZ8501.

An AFP photographer on the search flight that spotted the possible debris said he had seen objects in the sea resembling a life raft, life jackets and long orange tubes.

Indonesian air force official Agus Dwi Putranto told reporters: 'We spotted about 10 big objects and many more small white-coloured objects which we could not photograph.'

'The position is 10 kilometres from the location the plane was last captured by radar,' he said.


www.skynews.com.au...


Yes.. just heard it on the radio.
It's also on fox.

If true. It does not look good.
But the silver lining is. It was found.



posted on Dec, 30 2014 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: daaskapital

Indonesia has confirmed.

Confirmed - objects from missing plane




The Indonesian civil aviation chief says the debris spotted in the Java Sea belongs to missing AirAsia flight QZ8501.

The Air Force has reported sighting a suspected body, a life vest, luggage and plane debris off the island of Borneo


Also they are urgently recalling next of kin for a meeting.




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