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originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: jaffo
As to the request to change course:
"An official from Indonesia's Transport Ministry said the pilot asked to ascend by 6,000 feet to 38,000 feet to avoid heavy clouds." --www.aljazeera.com...
"The pilot had earlier requested permission to change course to avoid a storm cell. He wanted to climb to 38,000ft (11,000m). He failed to gain permission." --au.ibtimes.com...
"The Indonesia AirAsia plane, an Airbus A320-200, disappeared after its pilot failed to get permission to fly higher to avoid bad weather during a flight from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore on Sunday." --www.reuters.com...
That was not what was reported at first. I say it was all put out to create a story. just go read the first part of the thread because the officials were not stating any of that in the begining.
Again you move the goalposts. Just because every single bit of information was not released immediately does not at all prove conspiracy. Puh-leez. You are just denying every single thing which does not support your wild and crazy notion that THEY are once again up to something, lol...
originally posted by: justwanttofly
This is a picture from a military aircraft's Flight Management System display at cruise.
The white box in the upper left shows that the airplane is cruising at 275 Knots Indicated Air Speed(KIAS)/.079 Mach. This is usual. In fact, it is operating about 20-25 knots under it's maximum operation speed(Vmo) which is just under 300 KIAS.
The yellow box at the bottom indicates a headwind of 181 knots coming from 20-30 degrees to the right of the aircraft. That is a lot, and will significantly slow down the airplanes ground speed.
The red boxes on the bottom and left both indicate that the ground speed is 298 knots. Slow. Slower than Airasia 8501.
This aircrafts ground speed is very low, yet it is in no danger of stalling or somehow otherwise crashing because the KIAS is well within limits and there is still considerable lift being generated by the aircraft's wings.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: charlyv
Having been airborne for such a short time, they wouldn't get much over 38,000. Ceiling for the 320 is somewhere around 41-42,000.
Hit a big storm wrong at 20,000 and you'll bend the airplane. We used to always have to fix dents and repaint our jets after coming back from Asia. They'd fly through a storm and the rain and hail would strip paint off the leading edges.
originally posted by: takers888
a reply to: Leonidas
I'm not saying that the plane didn't land or crashed but do you have any tangible evidence before making a final verdict?
Its like me crying wolf when there is no wolf to be seen.
That is correct but in addition to that it was stated that the piolet only asked for a coarse change but did not specify why. Yes the likely answer is the one that says it was because of weather but as far as investigating is concerned the other possibilities have to be eliminated and at this point they can not be completly eliminated. Yes the chance is small but we all know that a coarse change needs to have a reason to get approved?
originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
The news has reported bad weather and a request too change course from the beginning. That's not enough for this discussion? reply to: deadeyedick
Director General of Aviation, Indonesian Ministry of Transportation
said at a news conference in Surabaya: "The plane contacted Jakarta Air Traffic Control at 0612, at the frequency 125.7megahertz. During that contact, the Jakarta Air Traffic Control could still identify the plane on the radar screen."
"The plane stated that it was trying to avoid cloud and directed the plane to the left of M635 route and asked to go up to altitude 38,000ft. We have not received the ELT (distress) signal so our conclusion so far is the plane lost contact at 0617."
State navigation operator AirNav Indonesia overnight revealed the details of the last messages sent between flight QZ8501 and Indonesian air traffic control, saying that the pilot on board had not explained why he wanted to ascend to 38,000 feet.