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Missing Plane Air Asia

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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: takers888

He didn't "change his route to fly over a warzone". Many airlines were still flying over the Ukraine until that day. There were at least six other aircraft in the area over the Ukraine at the time MH17 was shot down, including a Singapore Airlines A380.




posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: takers888

The only change of course was due to weather I believe, also 3 other commercial aircraft were in the same vicinity as MH17 at the time it was shot down.

And good publicity from bad publicty? Well that's a helleva gamble to take, many companies have failed for far less.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: takers888

You are saying that the shareholders of the airlines benefit? Show your math.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: takers888
a reply to: Leonidas

I've explained it in my original post. To recovery huge losses for the Airline company.

You debunkers are all the same with your vague question and no research strategy.


You've explained nothing, all you've provided is a vague theory about insurance fraud or something.

I bet you don't even know who the shareholders of Air Asia are, do you?

What's your research strategy?

Can you even find a lnk between between Air Asia and Malaysia Airlines? Even a tenuous one?



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 07:55 AM
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has anyone even thought it might be a Bermuda Triangle like area? is there any reports of any other planes, ships etc missing recently in same area.

I sure hope they find everyone and that they are safe.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: blobby

There will be almost 38 MILLION commercial flights this year. That's over 100,000 a DAY. Two planes missing in a large, amorphous area in one year would not seem to be enough to call for a supernatural cause just yet. I may be wrong.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: takers888

but then wont the families of the sirvivors be suing the airline? so how much profit would be left after that, i wonder?



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:07 AM
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More information emerging.

It appears it was denied request to climb as another flight was at 34000ALT, which is the ALT QZ8501 went off radar at.



A pilot on board the missing AirAsia plane was denied a request to increase altitude to avoid storm clouds minutes before the jet disappeared, it emerged today.

In the last communication with air traffic control six minutes before it vanished off radar, one of the pilots asked permission to turn left and climb from 32,000ft to 38,000ft due to the adverse weather.

However, the request could not immediately be granted because another plane was in the airspace at 34,000ft, said Bambang Tjahjono, director of the state-owned company in charge of air-traffic control.

By the time clearance could be given, Flight 8501 had disappeared, he added.

Aviation experts have speculated that the flight may have encountered 'black storm cells' which caused a build-up of ice on airspeed senors known as pitot tubes.

A similar scenario was blamed for the Air France disaster when Flight AF447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 while en route from Rio De Janeiro to Paris.

Aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas spoke to several check captains and believes the pilot of QZ8501 encountered difficult weather conditions but flew too slow in his efforts to avoid it.

'The QZ8501 was flying too slow, about 100 knots which is about 160 km/h too slow. At that altitude that's exceedingly dangerous,' Mr Thomas said.

'Pilots believe that the crew, in trying to avoid the thunderstorm by climbing, somehow have found themselves flying too slow and thus induced an aerodynamic stall similar to the circumstances of the loss of Air France AF447 to crash in 2009.'

'I have a radar plot which shows him at 36,000 feet and climbing at a speed of 353 knots, which is approximately 100 knots too slow ... if the radar return is correct, he appears to be going too slow for the altitude he is flying at,' Mr Thomas said.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... le-set-resume-light.html#ixzz3NINz4xYG



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:08 AM
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And good publicity from bad publicty? Well that's a helleva gamble to take, many companies have failed for far less.


Even though the majority shares of MA is owned by a private equity firm, do you think the Malaysian government would let their national carrier fail of course not. There is a long term strategy to this and building up brand recognition now that everyone knows who is MA.

Example is AIG

During the GFC, AIG was a huge insurance conglomerate that no one ever heard but made big news for its bad publicity. The company is now building up its brand image and pulling up huge profits.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: takers888

Be specific, are you saying Allianze or Air Asia shareholders benefit? Or are you claiming both do?

Again, please be specific.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:25 AM
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Flying too slow... Is that even possible to fly "too slow" for an experienced pilot? They should have developed a certain sense of speed for lack of a better word. It's not like they're flying in outer space where one cannot really judge their speed. My uninformed impression that the pilots should feel something, I don't know, shaking or,nose dropping or any other signs of an imminent stall.

I am not a pilot of course, however even in commercially available flight sims it's not easy to miss the plane stalling. Could pilots on the forum please chime in?
edit on 29/12/2014 by WideOpenSpace because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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oh for goodness...

Insurance fraud??? I doubt any company has the stones to deliberately crash their planes for $$$ especially given the fact that 2 other planes crashed/went awol this year. Air Asia might be based in Malaysia but they are a different company from Malaysia Airways

Side note: Wondering if Westboro Baptist Church is going to park the GodHatesMalaysia domain now.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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The problem is that that is ground speed not airspeed. You can't measure stall speed by ground speed. The only speed that matters is KIAS and we won't have that until the FDR is recovered and decoded.

However, if the pitot tubes were frozen, they could be getting over speed warnings, or higher than normal speeds showing, or even stall warnings at normal speed.

Once the data goes flaky anything can happen.
edit on 12/29/2014 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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AirAsia Group Ceo Tan Sri Dr. Tony Fernandes (L) and Ambassador Alfredo Yao ZestAirways Inc. President and CEO embrace after the signing of Zest Airways and Philippines’ AirAsia’s alliance agreement in Manila on March 11, 2013. The Philippine unit of regional budget airline leader AirAsia announced on March 11 it had acquired 49 percent of local carrier Zest Airways, allowing it to fly out of the nation’s capital. (JAY DIRECTO/AFP/Getty Images)

Tan Sri Tony Fernandes is the chief executive officer for AirAsia and this past week his investment vehicle Tune Group Sdn Bhd sold a total of 944,800 shares in Tune Insurance Holdings Bhd.

According to The Malaysia Insider:

According to a filing with Bursa Malaysia, some 850,000 shares were sold on December 22 and an additional 94,800 shares the day after. All shares were sold at RM1.60 each.

Did Fernandes know his company stock was about to take a hit? The timing is suspicious.

If so, it indicates knowledge of an impending attack on AirAsia.


Source



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: WideOpenSpace

There are variables regarding flying speed.

Factors to consider are weather and altitude.

Experts are saying that given the adverse weather conditions, storm, high winds, possible updraughts etc at 34000ft and climbing at 353 knots was 100 knots too slow.
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posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: takers888

So he was involved in the loss of an aircraft for a whopping $432,172.31?


ETA: And that is the par value. You need to determine what price he paid either above or below the RM1.60 he sold the shares for.




edit on 29-12-2014 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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If instrumentation was wrong, the pilots could have thought their speed was correct or normal. As mentioned earlier, the recorders would shed much light on that issue.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Forgot to add the insurance pay out that's going to be worth millions.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: WideOpenSpace

There are variables regarding flying speed.

Factors to consider are weather and altitude.

Experts are saying that given the adverse weather conditions, storm, high winds, possible updraughts etc at 34000ft and climbing at 353 knots was 100 knots too slow.


The only speed that matters is indicated airspeed.
Flying near a stormcell they could easily have had 100 kts headwind.



posted on Dec, 29 2014 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: takers888

Forgot to add the insurance pay out that's going to be worth millions.


Worth millions to who? The families?

The aircraft's value is also calculated on an age amortization, the older the airframe the lesser the value.

How much do you think AirAsia would receive for a lost hull?

ETA: It also makes a huge difference if there was pilot error, a design flaw or a combination of the two in assigning monetary blame.



edit on 29-12-2014 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer



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