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I give you rare look into Russian intellectuals talk "How to hit USA"

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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: Velom
a reply to: Annunak1

I'm also a from The Netherlands. Please watch this video (or even partly) before you comment on how bad the EU is. Than give me your reasons why.

www.youtube.com...

And by the way, I'm not from the elite or rich 1%. I'm a student from a middle/lower class family that is just trying to give it's two cents to the continuation of the most successful international program for the unification of nations in the history of mankind.

Of course things are not perfect here in the Netherlands (neither in the EU), but you're probably not going to find any other countries with a better living standard than here. Maybe if you move to Scandinavia or Switzerland (also in Europe, what a suprise that is!) or Canada and a few other exceptions (with almost all the west).


It may look ok now but hell is gonna freeze over sooner then u think. The EU is the biggest trick in enslaving mankind ever made. Apart from the NWO maybe.




posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: Velom




Let it come I say. I'm armed with enough arguments on why it's true.


Now that's what I like to see, someone not scared of a good debate.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Annunak1




The west is at the end of civilization.


And yet they are what get's emulated across the globe...imagine that.


By the most aggressive media syndicate known to date. Smoke and mirrors tsurffer, smoke and mirrors. Plus you have to realize that there is a huge difference in what Americans think of themselves and what the world thinks of America. Your not heros any more. That ship has sailed.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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I am pretty sure Putin is in the patience camp. He has been doing a pretty good job of painting Russia as calm and collect. He speaks frankly, and when Russians are about to do something they usually don't speak much at all. Putin has been vocal which tells me that is his chosen weapon at the moment. When he STOPS talking...



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Annunak1

originally posted by: Velom
a reply to: Annunak1

I'm also a from The Netherlands. Please watch this video (or even partly) before you comment on how bad the EU is. Than give me your reasons why.

www.youtube.com...

And by the way, I'm not from the elite or rich 1%. I'm a student from a middle/lower class family that is just trying to give it's two cents to the continuation of the most successful international program for the unification of nations in the history of mankind.

Of course things are not perfect here in the Netherlands (neither in the EU), but you're probably not going to find any other countries with a better living standard than here. Maybe if you move to Scandinavia or Switzerland (also in Europe, what a suprise that is!) or Canada and a few other exceptions (with almost all the west).


It may look ok now but hell is gonna freeze over sooner then u think. The EU is the biggest trick in enslaving mankind ever made. Apart from the NWO maybe.


I once thought like you exactly, that was when I was 14 years old.
First of all, you have to accept that true freedom does not exist. True freedom leads to chaos and thus complete freedom cannot be fully implanted. To be honest, I'm all for the idea of freedom for everyone as long as it does not restrict the freedom of other human beings, animals and the environmental habitat of nature (Earth can go on without humans, humans cannot go on with earth, therefore we have to cherish it).

Of course such idea's are nice, but global awareness hasn't simply reached such a level yet. And most of these problems can all be traced back to overpopulation (reasons why China and especially India have such # living conditions for 99% of it's citizens). Heck, I even think that the EU has way to many people. A nice population for earth would be around 500 million at most.

Yeah, we are all some sort of slaves to society or whatever you want to call it. We are all bound by boundaries that we cannot exceed in this lifetime. But I've dropped huge parts of my ego centrism and accepted this fact. My individuality is much less worth than the global continuation and success of the product of evolution in which resides consciousness...If you decide to stop contributing to society in general or give up all hope than the problem is not society itself but YOU. If your ego is so high that you consider yourself not worthy to be a building brick in a vast, global evolution leading to a far greater future for humanity and all, than I can only say that you are bound by illusions of the ego.

On the NWO. Heck yeah, I'm all for it. Please let there be a New World Order. I can only hope that one day borders will dissolve and humanity will unite into one as for we are all a product of an evolutionary chain of success. I hope that there will be a NWO in which the population of humanity has decreased intensely, resulting in a far more wealth for all that be. For us as humans we have to accept that we have to leave vague culture and traditions behind, which withhold us. This must be done, for that the product of the result can be much greater than the world in which we are living now.

So that is why I'm for the European Union. Yeah, it might not be perfect, but it's the best we have at the moment, and thus we should work together to improve it and not degenerate it resulting in a step back into our history.
edit on 27-12-2014 by Velom because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: FutureWithoutFuture4

Wow, that's the "intellectuals" ??

I pity the plight of everyday Russians with neanderthal intelligentsia like that leading them.

Putin has managed to turn the revolt against communism into an oligarchy run by a dictator. Impressive.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Annunak1




The west is at the end of civilization.


And yet they are what get's emulated across the globe...imagine that.


Emulated ? Or cloned ?

Need to come up with something better than copying something that is crumbling in of itself.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Velom


And by the way, I'm not from the elite or rich 1%.



A nice population for earth would be around 500 million at most.




Philosophically Ideologically, & morally immorally you are in the elitist 1% camp...





On the NWO. Heck yeah, I'm all for it. Please let there be a New World Order. I can only hope that one day borders will dissolve and humanity will unite into one as for we are all a product of an evolutionary chain of success. I hope that there will be a NWO in which the population of humanity has decreased intensely, resulting in a far more wealth for all that be. For us as humans we have to accept that we have to leave vague culture and traditions behind, which withhold us. This must be done, for that the product of the result can be much greater than the world in which we are living now.


You sound like Ted Turner.


What makes you deserving enough to be in your ideological 500million?...

Or are you willing to sacrifice yourself & your family to get to that number?...



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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Questions for OP:

First, these may be PhDs and intellectuals, but do they have any real power? There are plenty of intellectuals in the West with all kinds of ideas but that doesn't mean they can make anything happen.

Second, are you familiar with the secrets and prophecies of Fatima and Garabandal? I'm sure 90% of my readers immediately branded me as a kook, but the miracle of the sun was witnessed by some 70,000 people, including many atheists. I'm not even Catholic but I find these events intriguing.

The prophecies relate to Russia and warn that, unless certain things are done which haven't been done, there will be catastrophes and entire nations will be annihilated. It's always about Russia "spreading her errors" to the world.

Do you know about Fatima and do you have an opinion?



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: Velom

Be proud...as long as you recognize that any results by the EU is predicated by a "too large" U.S. umbrella allowing/preventing the Euros from continued and unending internal warfare...



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:35 PM
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both are legitimate options. the second seems like the better choice but that's assuming the US can even lose a battle of attrition. the west is very powerful and a collapse seems to be well in the future. the Russians have already retaliated on multiple fronts so its pretty clear witch option they decided to go with.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:18 PM
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Why don't you practice actual theoretical socialism and solve all the problems that plague the working class? The happiness of all people due to this should suffice to build a really strong nation. You know feed everyone, educate everyone,factories and generate economies of scale and continuously lower the costs. Lower the taxes until they are sick of utopia and move here for the drama.
edit on 27-12-2014 by Emeraldous because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:18 PM
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They don't copy USA. USA insists they be like them bribes and threatens until they do. If not war.a reply to: tsurfer2000h



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: Bedlam
Ha! Ha! We don't care what they think. There is only one way for Russia to harm us, and they will not dare to attack there...the IRS. And maybe DHS. Yeah. That's it. As long as they do not harm either of those, the US will stand tall. Yep, they'd better NEVER EVER do anything to those two, or we're in real trouble.
HAhaha! Aww yeah
2nd



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: VelomAnd all you western naysayers and doomprayers, why don't you move to Russia or to some other 2nd or 3rd world dictatorial country? No... just keep dooming and talking bad about the western civilization. And to all who complain about the west and who don't live here, jealously much?
''If we cannot human rights, freedom, a high HDI and high minimum wage, than surely the west can't!'' Oh please. Why don't you start fixing your country instead of trying to destroy the successful ways of the west?

The reason why the US is so great is BECAUSE of the naysayers. Who left England for the same exact situation that we now have, unlivable. They left and established;no central bank, no taxation without representation, bill of rights etc.
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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: Velom

originally posted by: Annunak1

originally posted by: Velom
a reply to: Annunak1

I'm also a from The Netherlands. Please watch this video (or even partly) before you comment on how bad the EU is. Than give me your reasons why.

www.youtube.com...

And by the way, I'm not from the elite or rich 1%. I'm a student from a middle/lower class family that is just trying to give it's two cents to the continuation of the most successful international program for the unification of nations in the history of mankind.

Of course things are not perfect here in the Netherlands (neither in the EU), but you're probably not going to find any other countries with a better living standard than here. Maybe if you move to Scandinavia or Switzerland (also in Europe, what a suprise that is!) or Canada and a few other exceptions (with almost all the west).


It may look ok now but hell is gonna freeze over sooner then u think. The EU is the biggest trick in enslaving mankind ever made. Apart from the NWO maybe.


I once thought like you exactly, that was when I was 14 years old.
First of all, you have to accept that true freedom does not exist. True freedom leads to chaos and thus complete freedom cannot be fully implanted. To be honest, I'm all for the idea of freedom for everyone as long as it does not restrict the freedom of other human beings, animals and the environmental habitat of nature (Earth can go on without humans, humans cannot go on with earth, therefore we have to cherish it).

Of course such idea's are nice, but global awareness hasn't simply reached such a level yet. And most of these problems can all be traced back to overpopulation (reasons why China and especially India have such # living conditions for 99% of it's citizens). Heck, I even think that the EU has way to many people. A nice population for earth would be around 500 million at most.

Yeah, we are all some sort of slaves to society or whatever you want to call it. We are all bound by boundaries that we cannot exceed in this lifetime. But I've dropped huge parts of my ego centrism and accepted this fact. My individuality is much less worth than the global continuation and success of the product of evolution in which resides consciousness...If you decide to stop contributing to society in general or give up all hope than the problem is not society itself but YOU. If your ego is so high that you consider yourself not worthy to be a building brick in a vast, global evolution leading to a far greater future for humanity and all, than I can only say that you are bound by illusions of the ego.

On the NWO. Heck yeah, I'm all for it. Please let there be a New World Order. I can only hope that one day borders will dissolve and humanity will unite into one as for we are all a product of an evolutionary chain of success. I hope that there will be a NWO in which the population of humanity has decreased intensely, resulting in a far more wealth for all that be. For us as humans we have to accept that we have to leave vague culture and traditions behind, which withhold us. This must be done, for that the product of the result can be much greater than the world in which we are living now.

So that is why I'm for the European Union. Yeah, it might not be perfect, but it's the best we have at the moment, and thus we should work together to improve it and not degenerate it resulting in a step back into our history.


You couldn't ask to be more clearly represented. Indeed.
edit on 27-12-2014 by Jonjonj because: spelling


Let me add that the statement "we are all a product of an evolutionary chain of success" is probably the clearest statement of reality I have seen on these forums.
edit on 27-12-2014 by Jonjonj because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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Heck, I even think that the EU has way to many people. A nice population for earth would be around 500 million at most.
On the NWO. Heck yeah, I'm all for it. Please let there be a New World Order. I hope that there will be a NWO in which the population of humanity has decreased intensely, resulting in a far more wealth for all that be.


You couldn't ask to be more clearly represented. Indeed.
Interesting takes, I also take it that you both like just one flavor of ice cream namely vanilla. Quite a boring lifestyle you envision there, say why don't you and 499.99 million people move OUT of the earth and have petri dish babies only when one of you dies?

edit on 27-12-2014 by Emeraldous because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: Emeraldous

I am sorry but I completely fail to get what you are on about. Care to elaborate?



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: Annunak1

originally posted by: Velom

a reply to: Annunak1



I'm also a from The Netherlands. Please watch this video (or even partly) before you comment on how bad the EU is. Than give me your reasons why.



www.youtube.com...



And by the way, I'm not from the elite or rich 1%. I'm a student from a middle/lower class family that is just trying to give it's two cents to the continuation of the most successful international program for the unification of nations in the history of mankind.



Of course things are not perfect here in the Netherlands (neither in the EU), but you're probably not going to find any other countries with a better living standard than here. Maybe if you move to Scandinavia or Switzerland (also in Europe, what a suprise that is!) or Canada and a few other exceptions (with almost all the west).





It may look ok now but hell is gonna freeze over sooner then u think. The EU is the biggest trick in enslaving mankind ever made. Apart from the NWO maybe.

They took the most peaceful countries on earth and made a union and are now saying look how peaceful we are come unionize with us.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: Emeraldous

I am sorry but I completely fail to get what you are on about. Care to elaborate?
Ok let's start with what did you not understand, it's you that needs to elaborate.
edit on 27-12-2014 by Emeraldous because: (no reason given)




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