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Ohio shopper shoots teen dead outside mall for trying to steal newly bought Nike Air Jordans

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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:16 AM
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originally posted by: Cabin
I do not get how so many people can justify such action. Killing is never justified. Period.

Someone is about to rape your wife and daughters. The only way to stop it is to kill him before he kills you. Do you kill him? If so, you are wrong, it IS justified. If you choose to die and let your wife and daughters get raped that's your choice, and my opinion, a terrible one.


Okay, the teens had a gun, but these were just some freaking sneakers and as far as I can see in this case, they just flashed the gun trying to scare the person robbed instead of putting him on gunpoint.

And you know that how? You read his mind? His really a good kid, just misunderstood?


Is really saving the 100 bucks more important than another person´s life?

Apparently so, since the teen decided to take them with the threat of death to his victim.


Human life does not have a price tage, whatever amount of money is not comparable to human life, worth taking another person´s life.

Good thing this had nothing to do with money, and had to do with a thug threatening someone with a gun.




posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:19 AM
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Imagine society once people allow crooks to take whatever they want from people. It will be much like a never ending, country wide looting event. How is that going to make it better. Its why it is structured as it is now.
edit on 12/27/2014 by roadgravel because: typo



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: Cabin
I do not get how so many people can justify such action. Killing is never justified. Period.

Okay, the teens had a gun, but these were just some freaking sneakers and as far as I can see in this case, they just flashed the gun trying to scare the person robbed instead of putting him on gunpoint.

Is really saving the 100 bucks more important than another person´s life? Personally, I would rather give wallet, car or whatever than kill someone trying to take it from me. Its just money, I can buy new stuff, but I can not bring the person back to life. Money comes, money goes. Human life is sacred and it is not my decision whether to take it or not, even if the others person is not making the right decisions. The fact that one person is stupid, does not mean they need to be killed by some other person.

Human life does not have a price tage, whatever amount of money is not comparable to human life, worth taking another person´s life.


So you would rather die yourself then try to protect yourself? Self preservation is one of the deepest human driving factors. Untill you are in a position where you have to choose you or them you wont understand.

It's sad people focus more on the fact this criminal was killed then on the fact a high school student has such low moral terpitude. You do realize this mentallity only serves to unable criminals?!?! It is events like this that sadly need to happen more so criminals think twice before commiting crimes against innocent people.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: ChaosComplex
For the record, I am against killing anyone for any reason. I believe that there is nothing to be learned by being killed (duh) and I may have said it in other threads that I see life as a learning experience. A good old fashioned kick in the ass holds more lessons than a bullet to the chest could ever impart on a soul.




Thats true. This guy however became an example to the ignorant. He drifted into that zone.


Hay but after hearing for years about young folk getting killed for their shoes and jackets it good to hear the bad guys are finally getting clipped.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff


Please answer me this simple equation:

When it illegally pulled a gun and threatened the life of a person with the legal right to hold a gun, how much justice was served on the criminal:

1. Not enough at all, it died instantly, if only it was made a paraplegic and bankrupted its family whilst #ing in a bag minus its sexual organs.
2. Justice was done in its purest form
3. There was no justice served, the thief should have been allowed to get away with it hard earned Nike Air Jordans and traumatise more innocent people in the future for their hard earned rewards.

I bet you create no.4.

This is what is wrong with this modern society, a bunch of apologetic left wing do gooders.

He didnt mean to rape and kill the 8 year old girl, he is just 16 and doesnt know better, given him another chance..oh he raped another child, well lets just give it 10 years in prison, let it out early for good behavior (not raping children in prison) and see if it cures it...what, its done it again, perhaps we cant cure evil with the threat of incarceration....

Oh well...

Its people like you that ruin this world, you give it the big I AM - better because I can forgive, better because I am above this hatred, better because I see beauty in people...well guess what pal, its folks like you with the open borders, the care in the community, the poor misunderstood rapist that are putting everyone else at risk for your own self satisfaction. You remind me of god botherers, in the name of Jesus Christ or Allah....

Stupid IT pulled a gun on a person with a gun...the rest is just perfect justice. Noc ourts, no corruption, no emotional blackmail, no black hatred, no white propergander, just basic human, non challengable justice in its purest form.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:29 AM
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I would rather be dead than wearing some ugly Nike shoes also. This would be thief got the better end of the deal in my opinion.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: sirlancelot

Nothing in my 1st post says I think criminals should get away with anything. If u all could stop frothing at the mouth for 5 min and read what I wrote as opposed to what u think I wrote u would all see that. All that post does is talk about how sad and disgusting the apparent joy people were expressing that a teen was shot dead



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: sirlancelot

A good point Sir, at what point will the holier than though blame the parents and school for this gun toting life threatening menace to society armed robber....

Who has failed him, its not the poor bloke that had to shoot him, or not shoot him and perhaps die...

What about the poor man that had to pull his gun and kill a 16 year old, none of you have given him a thought.

Right now, an innocent person who was minding his own business has to live with the fact he shot and killed a 16 year old, perhaps his head is saying well what if i didnt shoot him, well maybe you children would be fatherless, yeah but what if he didnt mean to shoot, but what if he did??

He is ther person Ifeel most sorry for in all of this, and not one of you do gooders have mentioned this, why, and tell me if I am wrong, but because you think anyone with a concealed arms licence is a redneck wannabe hero who couldnt wait for the day he was threatened at gunpoint so he could proove he had the minerals in his sack...

You people make me sick because this poor bloke is the only victim and not one of you mentioned him.

Shame on you.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The only irritation I have anticipating a scenario like yours is at the thought of having to buy new carpet and cleaning up the mess.


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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
a reply to: sirlancelot

Nothing in my 1st post says I think criminals should get away with anything. If u all could stop frothing at the mouth for 5 min and read what I wrote as opposed to what u think I wrote u would all see that. All that post does is talk about how sad and disgusting the apparent joy people were expressing that a teen was shot dead


You cant move the goalposts, you may have started with that, but you became an apologetic of armed robbery.

You also invented peoples apparent joy of a teens death, the joy was the death of an armed robber, the age, race, coulour, kin has nothing to do with the apparent joy, it was always about the justice that an armed robber was shot by its victim.

You make the mistake that anything other than the fact it was an armed robber is relevant.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: TheCrowMan

I mentioned in several posts that if this bloke wasn't psycho it will most likely mess him up and expressed sympathy. Do u guys read the actual thread or just make it up in ur heads and imagine how u think it went?

I have no sympathy for hardened crims and support capital punishment, I'm so far from being a lefty its not funny and none, not one of my posts has supported either the shooter or kid. I'm once again merely expressing shock and disgust so many of u are happy at the outcome. Have another read of the thread mate



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:45 AM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
a reply to: sirlancelot

Nothing in my 1st post says I think criminals should get away with anything. If u all could stop frothing at the mouth for 5 min and read what I wrote as opposed to what u think I wrote u would all see that. All that post does is talk about how sad and disgusting the apparent joy people were expressing that a teen was shot dead


I agree it's sad. It's a lose-lose for everyone. It's sad our youth have erroding values for others, it's sad we spend billions on crap but little on solutions to change the moral issue's our youth are facing. It's sad no one was there for these young men to guide them, teach them, and mostly give them hope.

I personally think that what we are seeing with young black mean in America is to some degree caused by anger and a lack of hope. This may be off topic but 6 years ago a black man was elected President. I think blacks across the country thought their lives would be better. I think they thought their problems where solved. fast forward to today and what do we have? young black males have unemployment rates around 25%. Young blacks are seeing nothing changed and for many it's worse. Add to this Obama's, Holder's, Sharpton politicization of how young black men are treated and you have a powder keg that is beggining to explode.

Im white but grew up for much of my childhood in communities where I was the minority. I witnessed and experienced what it is like. I witness how one minute you could be hanging with a so called black friend and the next he and his 4 buddies where chasing you and kicking the crap out of you. My point is when in an encounter things can change in an instant. My approach learned from my past is assume the worst and prepare for it as well.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Krakatoa

Nothing to see here, just natural selection.. move along.
edit: Dangit, the new girl beat me to it! :-( Welcome to ATS!!

I know this was a sarcastic post (meant to be funny), but, if we ignore these type of stories, and only broadcast and "discuss" cases of bad cops doing bad things, then we do an injustice to all those that do follow the law, and only further glorify the thug mentality.

That's just it he wasn't following the law. The mall has strict rules against guns on their property so the guy could be charged with a misdemeanor.


No, a mall cannot overrule federal laws or the United States Constitution. There are clearly listed areas that you cannot conceal carry....shopping malls are not on that list. This is a common misconception.


Just to clarify this a little bit: most states also list "areas where notice that carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited" in their list of of places one can't carry concealed. Along with federal buildings, correctional facilities, etc. But the business has to have signs posted in plain sight and specifically addressing firearms. Just down to what the ccw laws are in the state and what the property has posted, if anything.

I kind of felt like Oprah this morning. "You get a star, you get a star, you get a star too!"



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04




No one lost their life over a pair of shoes. He lost his life because he threatened someone with a gun.


However you dice it tis still a shame in my eyes. We all do stupid things sometimes....

purp..



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Well I don't support Capital Punishment. I would rather pay an extra percent tax to keep them in hell.

Here is my beef, a young bloke, despite knowing his victim may be packing is willing to risk his life for a $200 pair of trainers. Willing to risk his life or does not understand the consequences.

Who let him down and how can we prevent it happening again?

That is never the question or the solution.

Child rapist A knows that it is really bad to look at child porn and be aroused by it and then rape and kill a child. Us fekn clever folk say hey, if you do that we will put you in prison..

Do you not think that if the paedo could say no, it would? It is so draconian to think the threat of death or prison is a deterrent.

What about we create paedo Island, you have this problem we put you on an island without kids whilst we try and understand if we can make you better.

Same with juveniles, stop thinking a jail sentence or death sentence prevent crime, most people are sick or desperate, custodial is not preventing the mental illness or belief you have a right to other people's property, why did this guy and Michael brown think they have that right?

It's not because they may get banged up and pinning ourselves on custodial sentenced and conceited firearm laws is not working.

What is it, what is the problem??



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:36 AM
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I feel bad for the kid's family but he brought this onto himself. There are so many instances of "kids" doing terrible things to innocent people and I cannot believe the gall of some people to chastise the innocent for defending themselves when they can. There are lots of times when the innocent are brutalized and/or killed but when a criminal is killed, that's bad according to some people?

It's as if you expect the innocent person to give up there belongings and possibly sacrifice their own life to keep from hurting the criminal (and then to bend over and grab the ankles just to make him happy) because the criminal is just a good kid having a bad day.

In this instance, Jawaad Jabbar is the one responsible for his own death.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: Krakatoa



No, they can refuse to do business with you, but someone that is licensed cannot be barred from that place.

You are wrong. Your rights do not override other peoples rights on their property it doesn't matter if you have a license or not. If you had watched the video that was in the article which you obviously didn't the cop himself said the guy broke the law by taking a gun into the mall.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
a reply to: sirlancelot

Nothing in my 1st post says I think criminals should get away with anything. If u all could stop frothing at the mouth for 5 min and read what I wrote as opposed to what u think I wrote u would all see that. All that post does is talk about how sad and disgusting the apparent joy people were expressing that a teen was shot dead


I don't think it's either sad, or disgusting. Sadness is a choice. I choose to focus on the good in the world, like one less criminal to worry about putting a gun in my face. Yeah!

So if you choose to be disgusted that I'm happy about it, that's your choice. Not sure why you think people care about your choice to be disgusted or sad. That's your choice.

My choice is to be happy. You're the one frothing at the mouth judging other people's emotions. What type of life does that give you?



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 08:33 AM
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Some sick people on this thread. Seems like a lot of you get turned on by the killing. Gloating over death and justifying it with whatever BS you can cover it with.

Seriously seek help.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Krakatoa



No, they can refuse to do business with you, but someone that is licensed cannot be barred from that place.

You are wrong. Your rights do not override other peoples rights on their property it doesn't matter if you have a license or not. If you had watched the video that was in the article which you obviously didn't the cop himself said the guy broke the law by taking a gun into the mall.


Can you please cite the law that was broken?

Can we all now just make up our own laws that apply to our own property? Really?

And.... um..... cops are usually not legal scholars. Just sayin'.



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