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Peace-Shalom, the message from God

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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 04:56 AM
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is God angry with you? He sees all and can't come into the presence of sin right? You were born wicked, and God is disgusted by you. God will wipe out all sinners with wrath and destruction. Pew, Pew, Boom BOOOOOOM, Ahhhhhhh



Ok so that may be a bit hyperbolic for some, but not for all. This mindset is at the core of christianity. That God is angry and vengeful, and his justice looks very similar to the justice of 'murica, or Rome, or Egypt, or any form of empire, including The Empire (pew pew pew)


This same mindset believes that God needed to sacrifice himself to himself to bear the wrath of himself, because he is holy and just and therefore has to repay those wrongful deeds done. And just to show how just he is, he is going to continually punish for all of eternity, those poor souls that weren't lucky enough to win the lottery of being born into a christian household. (or just stamp them out for good).

Where would we get this idea? Largely by reading the Old Testament (if you're a christian). But frankly you will find this same mindset throughout all of religion for all time. In fact the very basic foundation of religion is sacrifice. To appease the god(s) with a sacrifice, to get the god(s) to act differently. If it was something small like we want to have sunshine for a special day, it would be small , like some food. To stave off a plague, or natural disaster, it would be something major like a child.

These concepts are created from the religious/carnal mind. The mind of man believes that when they come into the presence of the divine they should fear, because after all they deserve to be punished.

My intent of this post is to show that Jesus brought a completely different message than is being claimed by many that he did. That our own religious mind has taken and trampled the message and good news of the divine Logos.

Lets look at the bookends of Jesus' life as recorded in the gospels.

At his announcement by the angels, what was the reaction of the shepherds when the angel of the Lord appeared? They were frightened. Because that is what the religious mind does (like Israel telling Moses to go up the mountain for them, as they were too afraid)


8In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. 9And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. 10But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; 11for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12“This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” 13And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,

14“Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”


The reply of the angel? “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people"
Not terrible news that you better turn or burn. Not that God is angry so you better repent in sackcloth and ashes. No its Good News of Great Joy for who? All People.

What is this good news? That unlike your current mindset as described above, God is not violently angry. No he isn't sending a warrior king who is going to destroy the nations with the breathe of his mouth. He is being born as a baby. A wee littl' babaay.

To prove it he sends an angel army. That is what the multitude of the heavenly host is, an army. And what do army's do? They conquer. But what is their message?

“Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.

This is exactly the opposite of what was expected by the Jews, and the gentiles for that matter.

I'm not going to cover much of Jesus' life and teaching that opposes the religious mind. I may take it up in a later post. But to keep this relatively short (for me at least) I'll finish with his message at the other bookend of his life.

Right as he is being tortured and hung to die (at the hands of men) he says "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". Not "take vengeance on my death, return their transgressions on them".

Now the night before, all of his disciples had abandoned him. They scattered like cockroaches when the lights come on. They still had not understood the message. They were still looking for their warrior king to save them from Roman oppression. And he had died. All their hopes and dreams of the messianic state were squashed. They did not fully hear. Shoot, Peter tried to literally war with his sword, but Jesus had to tell him to put it away, for that is not a function of his kingdom. James and John wanted to call down fire from heaven on those who dissed them. But they "did not know what spirit they were of". They did not get it. And so they still were in fear of God, they had the Carnal Minded view of who God is.

When Jesus appears to his disciples what are his first words




19So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

Don't you think desertion deserves punishment? Thats a capitol offense back then. They deserted their Lord. And yet what is his message? Peace

The angels declared peace from heaven, and Jesus declared peace from heaven. These two instance encompass the message from heaven.

Peace, Shalom
edit on 26 12 2014 by zardust because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 05:12 AM
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a reply to: zardust

Peace shalom back to you. I don't believe God is angry or upset by mankind in general at all. Nobody has ever met him yet we have a group choosing to wear different clothing to us normal ones, who would tell you God's thoughts etc as though they have a meal with him every day of the week. Now if you believe that, then that's fine.
If you choose to believe the words written by the scribes about God, then that's fine you live by other men's thoughts and words, buit are they God's - now that's food for thought.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: zardust

God is Love and God rules Heaven so it is no wonder the depth of Love heaven has beyond human comprehension.

Jesus forgave those who mocked him and crucified him while they were crucifying him and he wad in intense pain. There are people who don't understand how Jesus can be so forgiving but Jesus said "The Father is greater than I". If someone can't understand how great the love of The Son is, then how can they even begin to understand the Love of God The Merciful Father?

Jesus said love your enemies, give to others, forgive, turn the other cheek, and judge not. This is what how Jesus taught humanity to be in order to glorify The Merciful Heavenly Father, to live through him and understand him more and more.

Give and it is given unto you.
Forgive and be forgiven.

Peace.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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Sorry brother.This thread was doomed from the beginning to be a booom boom...fizzle fizzl..fiz....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….
There's no doom porn with a crazy schizoid God that LURVES you but is going to burn you with an "eternal" torch just to prove that you don't lurve him back.

btw....Thank you for not being sickeningly sentimental .The "love" word is all to easily tossed about like a whore as if writing or saying it makes it so.The religious carnal mind is relentless in the pursuit of it's own "happiness" to the detriment of anyone else.It clings to doctrines gleaned from a book as if that was life's blood.

The fact is the religious carnal mind wouldn’t know the truth if a spike was driven through it(now there’s some peace).Religion lobotomizes them to spit out non stop flowing regurgitated religious rhetoric.It is the greatest sickness that none believe they have.They have the peace of “their God”..their religion.Yahoshua knew exactly what would happened and he in infaticaly told “the disciples”

DO NOT be deceived for MANY will come in my name and say “I am christ” and deceive many.

…….and sure enough multiple billions have been deceived(by themselves and other deceivers) and believe Yahoshua was talking about a “few” evil deceivers (Jim Jones, David Koresh,Rush Limbergh!…) because those dudes are whack jobs… but they themselves “lurve” Jesus.They lurve him so much they formed over 30,00 different sects over 2,000 years the majority within the last 50 years to lurve them some Jesus and lurve others as they lurve themselves and preach the Gospel!!! “Baby Jesus lurves you and wants you to believe in him..or HE WILL SEND YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!!…because you deserve it you disgusting evil bag of filth..now just say this prayer with me……..enee meenee minee mo catch a…oooops I mean …..

Dear Lord(you have to say this or he can’t hear)…blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.Blah blah blah blah bla blah blah.BLAH ba Blah ba Blah blah.Blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblahahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahvvblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahvvblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .Blah blah blah ba blah lurve..in JESUS name WE pray…. amen.


Thank the creator God that all of this piece of “lurve” will come to an end and their will be “peace on earth GOOD will towards men…..and the creator God…..aman.



PS
In my best Homer Simpson voice.."in case you didn't know I was being "sarkastic"....well...some of it...doooooooooooh".
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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: zardust

Thank you for a very wise and (probably) thought provoking (to some) midrash, much obliged. S/F

There is still hope afterall!

Score and one salutes!



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: arpgme

Why is Jesus forgiving? That is quite a load to put on Jesus' shoulders and hardly a polite thing to say about the Lord. What if there is nothing to forgive? Or what if some bastard did something unforgivable? Or what if he was searching, trying to find someone, and in the process terrible things happened, like with Job, the bleeder would need help and love and compassion, not forgiveness for something he is innocent for? And if someone does something terrible to you and your loved ones, wouldn't you want to see them punished? I know I'd be pissed off if the judge said before the trial even started, that the criminal is pardoned and the victim expected to turn the other cheek.

Jesus doesn't forgive you if he bloody well feels like it. And there certainly is NO automatic or generic forgiveness involved. What if this whole religion crap is madness turning into the most insane doctrines and traditions nurchuring the most horrid expectations?




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