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Dispelling the NK BS: Bureau 121 - NK Does Have An Elite Hacking Capacity

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posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bilk22

Have you read the links? For that matter can you provide specs on the NSA's capabilities?

Regardless, thanks for the bump!

I need to reiterate the data collection capabilities that were posted in every news outlet across the globe and how they have hacked into every single communication globally? Really?




posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

Norse displays all traffic, worldwide - including the US and including .mil sites.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bilk22

Norse displays all traffic, worldwide - including the US and including .mil sites.

It's nice that you believe that.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

I'ts nice that you've got nothing to add other than gatekeeping statements with no supporting evidence at all.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bilk22

I'ts nice that you've got nothing to add other than gatekeeping statements with no supporting evidence at all.
Now how would I have the ability to supply top secret info. Nice strawman.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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double post
edit on 25-12-2014 by sageturkey because: DP



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

My evidence is in the OP - and well defined. All you've accomplished is to come along and "meh" it offhand. Alinksy much?

If I am wrong, by all means, prove me wrong - but do so with evidence and at least some form of sourceable fact.

ETA: Here is a link to the current cyberstorm happening in real time. Now tell me the US is somehow excluded.

edit on 12/25/14 by Hefficide because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

originally posted by: Bilk22
Does Norse display the attacks the US perpetrates on other nations?


Norse does show traffic coming from within the U.S. - It seems to be mainly directed at other U.S. sites.
It doesn't show all traffic, only traffic directed at Norse honeypots. This can provide an accurate representation of overall traffic, but it wouldn't reflect targeted attacks on non-Norse sites.


Norse Dark Intelligence Every second, Norse collects and analyzes live threat intelligence from darknets in hundreds of locations in over 40 countries. The attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber attacks by bad actors. At a glance, one can see which countries are aggressors or targets at the moment, using which type of attacks (services-ports). Hovering over the Attack Origins, Attack Targets, or Attack Types will highlight just the attacks emanating from that country or over that service-port respectively. Hovering over any bubble on the map, will highlight only the attacks from that location and type. Press s to toggle table sizes. Norse exposes its threat intelligence via high-performance, machine-readable APIs in a variety of forms. Norse also provides products and solutions that assist organizations in protecting and mitigating cyber attacks.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: sageturkey
a reply to: Bilk22

originally posted by: Bilk22
Does Norse display the attacks the US perpetrates on other nations?


Norse does show traffic coming from within the U.S. - It seems to be mainly directed at other U.S. sites.
It doesn't show all traffic, only traffic directed at Norse honeypots. This can provide an accurate representation of overall traffic, but it wouldn't reflect targeted attacks on non-Norse sites.


Norse Dark Intelligence Every second, Norse collects and analyzes live threat intelligence from darknets in hundreds of locations in over 40 countries. The attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber attacks by bad actors. At a glance, one can see which countries are aggressors or targets at the moment, using which type of attacks (services-ports). Hovering over the Attack Origins, Attack Targets, or Attack Types will highlight just the attacks emanating from that country or over that service-port respectively. Hovering over any bubble on the map, will highlight only the attacks from that location and type. Press s to toggle table sizes. Norse exposes its threat intelligence via high-performance, machine-readable APIs in a variety of forms. Norse also provides products and solutions that assist organizations in protecting and mitigating cyber attacks.


Thanks for the explanation and it's pretty much what I assumed. So the data is far from complete as Heff suggested.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

How in the name of all that is Holy have you twisted that around??? Here, go look at Norse - maybe read the material in the OP and the rest of the thread and then make a comment that shows something other than just opinion based gate keeping.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bilk22

My evidence is in the OP - and well defined. All you've accomplished is to come along and "meh" it offhand. Alinksy much?

If I am wrong, by all means, prove me wrong - but do so with evidence and at least some form of sourceable fact.

ETA: Here is a link to the current cyberstorm happening in real time. Now tell me the US is somehow excluded.
So some iffy web sites with speculation about NKs capabilities is proof? Man the standards were just lowered.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bilk22

How in the name of all that is Holy have you twisted that around??? Here, go look at Norse - maybe read the material in the OP and the rest of the thread and then make a comment that shows something other than just opinion based gate keeping.



You wrote this, did you not?




Norse displays all traffic, worldwide - including the US and including .mil sites.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

You are discussing things you do not apparently have comprehension of. I've invited you, quite politely to source an argument against the one I have presented. You have chosen to neglect to do so, instead relying upon typical forum derailing and obstruction techniques.

The two quotes you've compared do not at all contradict one another, simply an attempt at a red herring.

My patience for this back and forth is over - if you wish to engage in a debate based upon sourceable facts, I am more than happy to do so. In fact I quite enjoy doing so. But this gradeschool level forum disruption stuff is woefully obvious and transparent. You've stated your opinion of non-belief for two solid pages. It is well established and on the record. Now please either take the time to find sourceable fact and not opinion to debate with or accept that your opinion has been duly noted and is present for all to see - there is no reason to keep repeating it. You've LOL'd - which was your stated reason for logging in. That is done. Now move on to something less disruptive.

Well that is unless you've got an agenda for the Alinksy fun - then that I'd love to discuss.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 12:52 PM
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I dont doubt they have the capability to do something like this but why would they?

If you have a secret weapon or ace up your sleeve to use should the need ever arise are you going to waste it and basically give your enemies a chance to see what your capable of and find ways to counteract it over a freakin stoner movie???

Thats just say they did do it, would they not then brag about it
"you mock us and this is what happens!!!!" Type of bluster that is normally associated with them would be expected.
Everything they do is used as a propaganda tool, I really cant see them bringing down a huge capitalistic corporation from an imperialistic country and not beating their chests about it.

My money is on a fantastic marketing ploy by Sony (see if this doesnt become the biggest selling movie via the web to date) or an inside job from within the US gov to bring in some new strict net laws.

NK having anything to do with this just does not compute for me



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bilk22

You are discussing things you do not apparently have comprehension of. I've invited you, quite politely to source an argument against the one I have presented. You have chosen to neglect to do so, instead relying upon typical forum derailing and obstruction techniques.

The two quotes you've compared do not at all contradict one another, simply an attempt at a red herring.

My patience for this back and forth is over - if you wish to engage in a debate based upon sourceable facts, I am more than happy to do so. In fact I quite enjoy doing so. But this gradeschool level forum disruption stuff is woefully obvious and transparent. You've stated your opinion of non-belief for two solid pages. It is well established and on the record. Now please either take the time to find sourceable fact and not opinion to debate with or accept that your opinion has been duly noted and is present for all to see - there is no reason to keep repeating it. You've LOL'd - which was your stated reason for logging in. That is done. Now move on to something less disruptive.

Well that is unless you've got an agenda for the Alinksy fun - then that I'd love to discuss.
Seems your thread wasn't too well received. Barely reached a second page. Guess the info you provided wasn't compelling enough - or there aren't enough fools here to buy into it.

Alinsky fun? Not sure what the heck you are talking about, but I'm not a fan, if that answers your question.
edit on Fri Dec 26 2014 by DontTreadOnMe because: post restored



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Sony has only released the movie in the US. So it really doesn’t make sense that there intention is to turn a huge profit, when you consider big movies usually make more than half their profits internationally. Imo, they’ve clearly only released it as a show of defiance.

Either way, whether NK was the sole culprit in this, it can’t really be argued it has worked out perfectly to there advantage. It’s not really productive to wonder why they would go to all this trouble over a movie either. Because maybe it did infuriate Kim Jung Un personally, or maybe he could care less. Maybe it was simply just used as an opportunity to play their propaganda games.

Either way, NK are being flashed all over the international news as a country that’s capable of causing some real damage if you make them angry. But also, Kim Jung Un has something to convince his people that the US is a threat to them, justifying why military spending is so high.

It’s actually a really effective & ingenious form of propaganda if you think about it, which is why I think it probably is NK who’s behind it.

I personally doubt they revealed any huge secrets of there capabilities either, I’m sure the NSA is well aware of there capabilities. They’re also probably capable of doing a lot more damage than just hacking sony if they really wanted to.

I do realize it would be hard for people to believe when the MSM has always portrayed NK as some primitive backwards country, where the people worship their leader as a god.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 11:47 AM
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I said this too.

Hell even linked a GD 7 YEAR OLD article.



The North Korean military created a new unit that focuses solely on cyber warfare. The unit, dubbed Unit 121, was first created in 1998 and has steadily grown in size and capability since then. Interest in establishing cyber war forces shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone, but North Koreas intense effort stands out among the top ten nations developing cyber weapons. Read more: defensetech.org... Defense.org


But some don't want to listen.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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It is very odd how people insist that NK does not have any threatening cyderwarefare capabilities. I'm not sure if people feel that way because of NK's weak and generally speaking, impoverished, economy. Granted that while they spend a large percentage of GDP on their military it is likely not all that much in terms of dollars by comparison to a lot of other countries. That being said people have the misconception that in order to create a formidable cyber warfare/cyber espionage operation that massive expenditures on equipment and manufacturing (of custom equipment) is required. Either that or people are being willfully ignorant. The fact is, that for the most part, all of this can be accomplished with run of the mill off the shelf hardware that can be easily smuggled in from China or elsewhere. The real magic is in the skill of the coders. If these people are well educated and intelligent a relatively small group of them should have no problem finding critical vulnerabilities in their target software and efficiently exploiting them with their own in-house code. That's also in addition to the various zero-day exploits and malware that can not only be acquired on the dark web but also what they may be provided with by sympathetic governments or possibly stolen. In fact many excellent hackers may not have a formal education but are rather intelligent and are self taught. When you add the resources of a state, even a state such as NK, it is not unexpected that they would develop a formidable cyber capability, especially considering the effort expended by NK over the decades.



originally posted by: intrptr
Of course NK is bad ass, the entire US military was fought to a standstill by them.

Its alway the little guys that have the most to prove and the big bullies that fall the hardest.


Thats oversimplifying it a bit don't you think? Without China NK would have been done and even with China, if the U.S. had been truly committed they could have decimated the North. That isn't to say there wouldn't have been lasting consequences but in the 1950's the Nuclear club looked a lot different. There was obviously a political angle involved as well as there always have been. Vietnam was a similar story, had the U.S. military been allowed to do their job and do what they had to in Cambodia and Laos the outcome may have been quite different. The situation with IS/ISIL/ISIS/DAESH is very much the same. That's not to say that I believe in these interventions and that the U.S. military should have leveled these countries but rarely is military allowed to execute a winning strategy for reasons of public support and politics.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: funkadeliaaaa
Interesting thread Hefficide.

My theory is that the NK regime was actually secretly installed by the unites states in order to divide the region and prevent it and therefore the Asia pacific becoming too prosperous, too soon. In terms of energy and ley lines, North Korea, I think the whole of 'korea is actually very unique and very interesting, and it saddens me that that part of the world is so not open. This when i first found out about it (coming from the perspective of not trusting the powers that be anywhere and seeing them all as one corrupt mafia), made me think that the region was being preserved a post depopulation celestial playground for the mafia elite, who are conspiring to depopulate the the whole world to a size of 500, 000 (?) as the Georgia Guidestones suggest.

The hackers you mentioned in the OP, if my theory is correct, are not better than the CIA, they were probably trained by the perhaps they actually are the CIA....



Anyway...


AS you know, people are so ignorant about that side of that they didn't think North Koreans could operate the most basic of toaster ovens let alone have a hacker elite, so any information that would confirm my theory looks unlikely to ever surface.


Is this like a summary of most conspiracy theories in one?



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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Thats oversimplifying it a bit don't you think?

Yah, ever stop to think that endless war requires that nether side win?

Good for the military, banking, corporate (factories for war) )machine.

The longer the conflict the more money is made from it. Everyone wins except the solider and people of both "sides".



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