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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
Not one person has said that an air to air missile couldn't have done it. But there isn't a single instance of a large aircraft being hit by one, or even multiple air to air missiles, and just exploding. Not one. Every instance of a plane anywhere near the size of a 777 being hit by an air to air missile, has resulted in the plane remaining intact, and controllable for several minutes afterwards.
As for proximity, KAL 007 was hit by both missiles in the tail section, very close together, and remained intact.
Air Rhodesia 827- Vickers Viscount hit by a Strela-2. Damaged and crashed intact.
Air Rhodesia 825- Vickers Viscount 782D hit by a Strela-2. Damaged and crashed intact.
Aerolinee Itava 870- McDonnell Douglas DC-9-15. Possibly hit by an unknown missile, dove into the sea intact, exploded on impact (investigation showed evidence of a bomb in the rear lavatory, as well as an outside source of the explosion).
Korean Airlines 902- Boeing 707 hit by air to air missile. Crash landed in controlled ditching.
Korean Airlines 007- Boeing 747 hit by two missiles. Crashed during ditching attempt.
T&G Aviation- DC-7 hit by SA-7. Crashed intact, exploded on impact.
Transair Georgia- 2 Tu-134 aircraft hit by surface to air missiles over two days. Both crashed intact and exploded on impact.
Rwandan and Burundian presidential assassinations- Falcon 50 hit by two SA-16s. Exploded on impact.
I included MANPADS systems because they have similar warhead sizes to air to air missiles, but not one of those planes, and a number of them are much smaller than a 777, just exploded in midair after being hit by a missile fired at them.
Any missile fired by an Su-25 would be an IR missile, which means it would be targeting the engines or tail section, which are the hottest parts of the aircraft. There would have been some damage to the fuselage, but again, contrary to Hollywood, explosive decompression doesn't lead to the cabin blowing apart into a big hole.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RyleeNator
And the Su-25 was made in Russia by Sukhoi. They're the ones who posted the specs that show it would be impossible for an Su-25 to down a 777. I think I'll go with what they say over the Russian government who have a clear agenda.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Salander
Except it crashing intact is not consistent with the debris field. We see large sections of the plane separated by miles. Not to mention that the investigators have stated that the black box findings support massive explosive decompression.
originally posted by: Salander
Only alternative media even talk about the story anymore. MSM swept it under the rug after the Pentagon admitted it could not prove its early allegations of BUK
Thanks for proving I`m right by trying to bury it with senseless postings
Su-25M1 and Su-25UBM1 modernization is done by Ukrainian MoD’s Aircraft Repair Plants and test flights were
performed on the UAF State tasting Center’s training area “Chauda”. In result of upgrading of Su-25 the aiming-navigation
system was greatly improved
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: tsurfer2000h
It doesn`t need to be at 10km to shoots the missile, the missile flies the other part.
Time to change the broken record dude.
It needs to be at 4 km to get the sensor to lock on the heat of the target, you can't just point an IR missile towards an aircraft 10km away, hope it goes in a straight enough line to find the aircraft heat source,
Ukraine do the modification themselves.
Su-25 M1 Frogfoot
Again how many times do you need to be told...unless you upgrade the airframe and engines the plane will not fly higher by upgrading the cockpit and electronics of the plane.