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Police shoot black teen at Missouri gas station

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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: buster2010



If anything that screams plant because I have never seen a weapon get unloaded before they take pictures of it because that changes the crime scene.

I am not sure why a cop would release the magazine if he was planting a gun at the scene.


I'm not sure how I missed the original comment you're replying to, so you get stuck with my reply


Yea, you unload firearms at the crime scene. You don't leave loaded weapons laying around on the ground for hours and hours. In fact you can see the magazine with rounds (at least one) right next to the handle of the gun, which is also what one does when photographing a firearm at a crime scene.

No problem.
I just don't think it makes sense for a cop to drop the mag if he is planting a gun. No reason to do that at all.
Plus, I have serious doubts that a cop working this close to Ferguson would plant a gun at a shooting scene in public. The whole planting a gun thing seems to run against common sense here.
And I have never seen a mag pop out a pistol because it was dropped, not saying that it doesn't happen, but I have never seen it.
It is possible that the 18 year old that was shot had very little firearms handling experience (I wouldn't even think of calling it training) and pushed the magazine release thinking it was the safety.




posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

that's funny making fun of someone with dyslexia, which i have stated time and time again for those who are spelling/ grammer nazis.

it's not like this is a term paper, and you seem to understand every thing i wrote.


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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: DrJunk
If I were a black man, I'd carry a gun too.

At least if you've got a gun, you've got a chance to defend yourself from a group of people that have already demonstrated that they will not hesitate to kill you even if you are unarmed.

Statistics would indicate that you are speaking of other black men that are not police officers.

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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Lol wow reaching for what
Now, my grammar is terrible because english is only the language i use at work, do you have a point or just wasting my time.
My 2 questions where answered, now do you have anything else to add.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: DrJunk
If I were a black man, I'd carry a gun too.

At least if you've got a gun, you've got a chance to defend yourself from a group of people that have already demonstrated that they will not hesitate to kill you even if you are unarmed.

Statistics would indicate that you are speaking of other black men that are not police officers.


I doubt you have any statistical analysis of black on black crime where the victim was unarmed. Forgive me for not holding my breath.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: DrJunk
If I were a black man, I'd carry a gun too.

At least if you've got a gun, you've got a chance to defend yourself from a group of people that have already demonstrated that they will not hesitate to kill you even if you are unarmed.


Youre talking about other black people right, since over 90 percent of the black people killed in the US are killed by other black people......

Yes of course thats what you mean........



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:50 AM
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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: DrJunk

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: DrJunk
If I were a black man, I'd carry a gun too.

At least if you've got a gun, you've got a chance to defend yourself from a group of people that have already demonstrated that they will not hesitate to kill you even if you are unarmed.

Statistics would indicate that you are speaking of other black men that are not police officers.


I doubt you have any statistical analysis of black on black crime where the victim was unarmed. Forgive me for not holding my breath.

Do you have any proof that police shoot more unarmed black men than armed black civilians do?
There are probably more legal shootings of young black men by armed black men than shootings of unarmed black men by cops.
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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:51 AM
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Look closely at the end of the video and you see him pull the gun. I mean, how dumb would you have to be to pull a 'fake weapon' with how high tensions are.

He was not a kid. He was an adult. He had a gun. Now, why did he have a gun? For protection from cops? Really? C'mon now, you know damn well it is to protect himself from people in the neighborhood, white or black, who would do him harm.

AS another poster stated, he was also not a black teen. He was a teen. Plain and simple. Race had nothing to do with it. If you are white and pull a gun on a police officer chances are you dead also. Like the cop who killed Dillon Taylor. Don't know that one do you? He acted out and was shot twice. No one burned down the local Sports Bar when it turned out the officer was black.

Why...because it is tragic. The death of anyone's child is tragic but you have to ask yourself..how did he get to that point that he would pull a gun on an officer? The racebaiters of this nation...not cops...

According to the FBI

"The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders"

The black victimization rate is also 27 per 100,000 where with whites it is 4.5. Six times higher...black people arm themselves to protect themselves from other black people. Read the stats....

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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: buster2010



If anything that screams plant because I have never seen a weapon get unloaded before they take pictures of it because that changes the crime scene.

I am not sure why a cop would release the magazine if he was planting a gun at the scene.


I'm not sure how I missed the original comment you're replying to, so you get stuck with my reply


Yea, you unload firearms at the crime scene. You don't leave loaded weapons laying around on the ground for hours and hours. In fact you can see the magazine with rounds (at least one) right next to the handle of the gun, which is also what one does when photographing a firearm at a crime scene.

No problem.
I just don't think it makes sense for a cop to drop the mag if he is planting a gun. No reason to do that at all.
Plus, I have serious doubts that a cop working this close to Ferguson would plant a gun at a shooting scene in public. The whole planting a gun thing seems to run against common sense here.
And I have never seen a mag pop out a pistol because it was dropped, not saying that it doesn't happen, but I have never seen it.
It is possible that the 18 year old that was shot had very little firearms handling experience (I wouldn't even think of calling it training) and pushed the magazine release thinking it was the safety.


Boy....wouldn't that be embarrassing? Pull out your heater to do some gangster # and drop your mag out? Oops....



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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Kinda looks like a gun.


Apparently the Cop has a body camera but didn't wear it due to the department "getting used to them"...


Hard to get used to them when you're not wearing them though...


Nevertheless...
I'm sure he had a camera on the dash board of the patrol car right?


That will clear up everything seeing as the teen was directly in front of the vehicle.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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Let's see, pull a gun on a cop, get killed, small riot ensues.

Yep, the residents of that anus of the country have yet to learn anything regarding right from wrong. Innocent people killed does not equal the right to destroy the town. Similarly, pointing a weapon at a cop and being shot & killed for doing so also DOES NOT equal the right to destroy a town. Hopefully these people recognize that and don't get any further than the scuffle. Honestly however, I have little hope they can do anything other than just destroy everything around them for whatever excuse they in Missouri can come up with, but if we can be pleasantly surprised, more power to 'em.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: Ceeker63

Haven't you watched the youtube vids lately? Black America (as heff put it) thinks they are now invincible and above the law. They just got done trashing a city with little repercussions. It's the group/gang mentality in that area.. I bet that stoopid SOB that pulled the gun on the cop actually thought the cop wouldn't have the balls to shoot him as to not start another riot.



If cops back off and the mobs run amuck......at some point they will be challenged by armed citizens, which may be the start of the long dreamed of race war. Thats what they are really priming for here. This is all very serious and very bad.....and who's setting by the sidelines watching it happen while having everything at their disposal to stop it?



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
Do you have any proof that police shoot more unarmed black men than armed black civilians do?
There are probably more legal shootings of young black men by armed black men than shootings of unarmed black men by cops.


Nope, I'm also not comparing the two. You are. So if you are going to do that, how about you bring some evidence to the discussion. Or don't. I don't care, because, as I have already stated, they are your claims.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: DrJunk

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: DrJunk
If I were a black man, I'd carry a gun too.

At least if you've got a gun, you've got a chance to defend yourself from a group of people that have already demonstrated that they will not hesitate to kill you even if you are unarmed.


Youre talking about other black people right, since over 90 percent of the black people killed in the US are killed by other black people......

Yes of course thats what you mean........


Read my other reply to this stupid logic.


its not stupid logic, its fact backed up by data.....




In 2013, there were 6,261 black homicide victims in the U.S.—almost all killed by black civilians—resulting in a death risk in inner cities that is ten times higher for blacks than for whites. None of those killings triggered mass protests; they are deemed normal and beneath notice.

The police, by contrast, according to published reports, kill roughly 200 blacks a year, most of them armed and dangerous, out of about 40 million police-civilian contacts a year. Blacks are in fact killed by police at a lower rate than their threat to officers would predict. In 2013, blacks made up 42 percent of all cop killers whose race was known, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. The percentage of black suspects killed by the police nationally is 29 percent lower than the percentage of blacks mortally threatening them.


Source among others

So are you trolling or just conveniently ignoring facts



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Kinda looks like a gun.


Apparently the Cop has a body camera but didn't wear it due to the department "getting used to them"...


Hard to get used to them when you're not wearing them though...


Nevertheless...
I'm sure he had a camera on the dash board of the patrol car right?


That will clear up everything seeing as the teen was directly in front of the vehicle.

That probably wasn't on either. I've heard that the cop had both a dashcam in the car and a body cam - and neither were on.

If he drew a gun and pointed it at a cop, what did he expect to happen? I won't go so far as to accuse cops of planting a gun, but without seeing the full video, we are left to assume the person shot is the person raising his arm slowly towards the officer.

According to people at the scene after the shooting, he apparently lay in the street alive bleeding to death for at least 30min - and no ambulance ever came. That could well be wrong or right, lots of rumors flying around right now.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:41 AM
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I'm wondering what the camera on that side of the building fought? Just putting that out there.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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I really don't get it at all. Before the footage I could understand the skepticism but this was clearly a clean cut case of self defense. Man people on here are still grasping for straws for a reason to blame the officer. So the police planted the gun and then edited the video to make it look like he pulled a gun and pointed it at the officer?????? Get real! I understand that this is a conspiracy site but this isn't one clearly. This young man committed suicide



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