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MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way

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posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:45 PM
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a reply to: undo

For most it works .. my four oldest adopted kids are all grown and happily married with families of their own now .. for me it doesnt work .
The ones I chose were from good backgrounds/families it didnt change their true nature from revealing itself. As to my ability to read human nature I would not have survived to 71 if couldnt read human nature .. have better things to do with my time now than to get taken yet again ..
As I said for me NEVER again I refuse to play the game . Id have better luck finding an honest politician in the world than finding one woman that wouldnt lie .. cheat .. belittle .. nag .. try to change me to something Im not .. try to murder me to collect insurance money ..




posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: ghostrager

i agree that this kinda thing does happen but it isn't isolated to women, in the respect that it is an indicator of moral decline. when there are few if any, moral guidelines, bad things happen. since morality can't be legislated, the only other option is for parents to instill them in their children. if parents are lacking moral boundaries, then they can't be expected to pass that on to their children. the whole thing becomes a vicious cycle.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: Expat888

the financial status of a family doesn't necessarily indicate their compassion for others. and from what i can tell, the trend you're describing is lack of compassion.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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I guess I'm one of these that the Sexodus or this thread are talking about. I've seen what marriage does to people and I've seen what kids do to people.

Growing up my parents hated each other but always had to deal with each other because of me. I've watched my dads two ex wives both take everything he worked for, I've seen just how expensive marriage is and it typically doesn't work out. I've seen friends decide to have a kid, and then have their relationships fall apart.

I don't really care about the feminist angle. The courts are very much against men. You face a 50% chance of divorce, another 50% chance of cheating, a 90% chance of losing everything in divorce, a 95% chance of unfavorable child custody rulings. It's just not worth it, I would rather focus my energies elsewhere.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: undo

I couldn't agree more with your post. Children are the ones who bear the burden, and that is what upsets me most with child rearing in today's culture.

However, if we are concerned about our children's future, we need to examine why they are placed in such a misfortunate situation. That leads me back to my original post for starting this thread and the statistics stated regarding why it is illogical for men to marry.

One member commented that it is the "Disney Princess Syndrome", which is a perfect summary to my rant.

I for one am a strong proponent of sustainable marriages as they are pillars of a strong society. But(and it may seem contradictory), I encourage men to restrain from a martial contract as they are destructive because of the modern feminist movement and the laws that abound.
edit on 24-12-2014 by ghostrager because: "and the laws that abound"



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: ghostrager
One member commented that it is the "Disney Princess Syndrome", which is a perfect summary to my rant.

I for one am a strong proponent of sustainable marriages as they are pillars of a strong society. But(and it may seem contradictory), I encourage men to restrain from a martial contract as they are destructive because of the modern feminist movement.


Logically if it's true that most women aren't worth the trouble, then shouldn't men be looking for other men? It seems to me like people that can relate to each other as having the same societal pressures and expectations would best be able to have a relationship together.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 11:38 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Personally, I believe that the homosexual movement this past decade is a result of the feminist movement and the lack of men being able to prove their worth.

A woman gives birth, this is how we exist. For a woman to be valuable, she just has to 'be'. For a man to be valuable, he has to 'do'. He has to prove that he is the best suitor. That has been a man's role, and will always be. The issue falls into the expectations of the modern female. A previous poster mentioned that on the dating site okcupid, women rated 80% of males as a 2 or lower on a scale of 1 to 5, while men averaged women on a typical bell curve with an average of 3.

So, back to your original question, "Shouldn't men be looking for other men? ". IMO, no. Woman today are much more willing to have premaritial sex then ever before in the last two centuries. In this regard, we can thank feminism.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 11:48 PM
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originally posted by: ghostrager
a reply to: Aazadan

Personally, I believe that the homosexual movement this past decade is a result of the feminist movement and the lack of men being able to prove their worth.

A woman gives birth, this is how we exist. For a woman to be valuable, she just has to 'be'. For a man to be valuable, he has to 'do'. He has to prove that he is the best suitor. That has been a man's role, and will always be. The issue falls into the expectations of the modern female. A previous poster mentioned that on the dating site okcupid, women rated 80% of males as a 2 or lower on a scale of 1 to 5, while men averaged women on a typical bell curve with an average of 3.

So, back to your original question, "Shouldn't men be looking for other men? ". IMO, no. Woman today are much more willing to have premaritial sex then ever before in the last two centuries. In this regard, we can thank feminism.


Lets take your premise of women being more willing to have sex before marriage. What if you're not just looking to get laid but are rather looking for a relationship? Women are the ones who initiate divorce and put an end to the overwhelming majority of relationships. This says that they're the ones who don't want to settle down for whatever reason. Men are the ones who are actually looking for that type of companionship these days. I'm not saying it has to be a relationship involving sex either, sex and companionship aren't the same thing. It just seems to me from reading articles like these as well as my own experiences that it's easier and more rewarding to just have some good male friends than to go out and get hitched to a woman.
edit on 24-12-2014 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

That is a perfect response. I can say that I am in the center of that dilemma myself.

I love having sex with a woman that I trust and care about, but I won't touch a woman (well, very little) that I am not emotionally connected to.

I would say this is rare as most men I know think with their little heads.

In regards to companionship, marriage is a relatively new concept for the human race. Prior to having independent stability and security within a home shared by a partner of the opposite sex, we lived in a tribal mentality. Men were hunters and protectors, women were caretakers and nuturers. This lasted nearly a million years (from the evidence we have now). Our companionship with the opposite sex did not have the expectations that it does today. Women were (and still are) social creatures, while men were (and still are) solitary creatures

More to your question; Men still need interaction with other men, and that interaction is based on trust. watch my back and I'll watch yours, I'll sacrifice myself for your sake, and in more modern terms - Bros before hoes.

Both genders require different social interaction, and it boggles my mind that we try to box heterosexual relationships into a perfect all inclusive solution and assume that the opposite sex has any ability whatsoever to fulfill our social needs (male or female)

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posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Ha, I have self-esteem aplenty, but I hear why you may think that, it's common mistake. To my mind it's the point of this article, that people think that I'm the one who feels rejected and awful about it. No, see, the thing is that I reject all that stuff out there. The fact is that, and man do people really have trouble understanding this, I don't like people. Like any people. People are not a thing anyone should like. Have you met people? Have you seen people?

See, I don't care about the things the rest of you care about (sorry to use a generalized "you", don't mean to be directly accusatory, I'm sure your a wonderful person). I don't like the culture and the people in it, so I largely avoid it.

In response the the specific bit you decided to quote - The reason that is true (that I would rather read a book) is because I've had plenty of sex, and really man, getting your rocks off just isn't that special after awhile.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: ghostrager
a reply to: undo

I have to disagree with you on this. Nearly every western nation has the same "marriage strike" happening. Australia, Europe, and mostly Japan. If you research Japan and their "Herbivore Men", you will see the future that we are heading towards as a nation.

This isn't a result of socialism, it is a result of modern feminism and the media's constant misandry in everything from radio ads to television shows and commercials. Why are they misandric? 80% of consumer goods are purchased by women. Nearly all marketing is geared towards women because of that. They picked up on the general consensus that most women hold a deep down disdain for the male populace, and they play off it because it is the most effective form of branding.


I felt it was important to follow up on the misandry in media. The video below exposes the double standards in feminism while reinforcing my theory that women have an under lying disdain for men and how marketers capitalize on misandry to brand their image into their primary target of consumers (80% of consumer goods are purchased by women)




posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 01:35 AM
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To many Rottern Apples in the barrel to choose from. Woman's ideology. I want my man to do this, this , this, this , this , oh and this and that so i can sit around and hollar at the moon with my," just boy friends" at their house while you watch the kids and do all the work and i take credit because i make you the heavy around the house so i come out smelling like a rose to the kids and everyone else. Go in the bathroom and clean the toilet,vacumm,mowe yard,dishes,go to work and give me your money honey, now feed the kids and fix the car so i can go out tonight while i go on the internet for awhile and then i will pretty doll myself up to look hot. You got the car fixed yet, You smell but take a shower after i do so i can have all the hot water. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME. That is what those bad apples in the basket are. A bunch of Rotten MEEEEEE'S. You get a GIRL that does this, RUN AWAY FAST AND DON'T LOOK BACK. Your better off, trust me. Don't take the Jerry Springer Loud Noise wanna be. You'll be broke, depressed and miserable the rest of your life. These GIRLS make the REAL Woman look bad. If she's not good to you, just take out the trash and be done with it. Go take the time and find a REAL Woman who treats you right. Merry christmas everyone. god bless.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 01:51 AM
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a reply to: Herolotus

I don't know about rejecting all people, but I do know that I often find myself enjoying the presence of a pet cat, dog, or even parrot far more than I enjoy the presence of many people.
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posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 02:11 AM
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originally posted by: ghostrager
a reply to: Aazadan

Personally, I believe that the homosexual movement this past decade is a result of the feminist movement and the lack of men being able to prove their worth.

A woman gives birth, this is how we exist. For a woman to be valuable, she just has to 'be'. For a man to be valuable, he has to 'do'. He has to prove that he is the best suitor. That has been a man's role, and will always be. The issue falls into the expectations of the modern female. A previous poster mentioned that on the dating site okcupid, women rated 80% of males as a 2 or lower on a scale of 1 to 5, while men averaged women on a typical bell curve with an average of 3.

So, back to your original question, "Shouldn't men be looking for other men? ". IMO, no. Woman today are much more willing to have premaritial sex then ever before in the last two centuries. In this regard, we can thank feminism.


I've come out of the woodwork to call out your ignorance.

1) the homosexual movement is NOT a result of feminism but of homosexuals tired of having to hide who they were because of the bull# social stigma that was attached to it. The movement was a combination of both men and woman working together to cure the west of it's ignorance against gays.

2) women have always engaged in pre-marital sex, that's a fact. Ever heard of a shot gun wedding? Society was ashamed for these women and often went out of their way to hide the actual occurrence of it. For example, sending their daughters away to have the resulting child and then taking that child away from them upon birth and ensuring the mother never saw that child again simply because she wasn't married - fair? I think not.

If some men are going to be ignorant enough to blame all their woe's on feminism Atleast get it right. You think marriage is so bad? Don't get married.
But if you knew anything about the recent history of marriage you would know that once a woman married a man, ALL of her possessions became his (even rights over her own body, marital rape was legal up until the 90's in the uk) her children were legally his and for to long a time it was very VERY difficult for a woman to obtain a divorce, not to mention dangerous as it would leave her destitute in most cases.

So yeah, don't get married if it's to much of a risk, most people I know don't make enough money to be swindled by marriage. Quit blaming women though, do some research between bouts of crying about your perceived unfair position in the world.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 02:21 AM
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to cure the west of it's ignorance against gays.


it's not just a west problem. your propaganda is showing. there are heteros all over the world that don't undestand it, and there are heteros all over the world who either do understand it or love someone who is gay, like a friend or family member and simply ignore it because they love the person.

the west this and the west that. sheesh.

the guys do make a good point. what has happened is the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. and it refuses to be moderate. it insists on being irrational and the end result of irrational swing to one side,is an equal and opposite swing to the other. as a woman, i do not want to fear that my daughter and other females in the future, will end up being treated like refuse. this has to be resolved or it will destroy the planet.


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posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 02:26 AM
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You don't need to marry someone to risk everything, opening your heart and giving it to someone else is risk enough - worldly possessions are nothing if/when your heart is broken.

Love is risky. Life is risky. Your not going to make it to your grave alive so how are you going to live in this dangerous world?



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: SearchLightsInc



to cure the west of it's ignorance against gays.


it's not just a west problem. your propaganda is showing. there are heteros all over the world that don't undestand it, and there are heteros all over the world who either do understand it or love someone who is gay, like a friend or family member and simply ignore it because they love the person.

the west this and the west that. sheesh.

the guys do make a good point. what has happened is the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. and it refuses to be moderate. it insists on being irrational and the end result of irrational swing to one side,is an equal and opposite swing to the other. as a woman, i do not want to fear that my daughter and other females in the future, will end up being treated like refuse. this has to be resolved or it will destroy the planet.



But honey, women have been treated as refuse for thousands of years, you need only do your research. Religion has always been a traditional oppressor of the people - more so women. Marriage is a religious institution and before it was #ing men over (for the past 20 years?) it was #ing women over for thousands of years.
But here is a fundamental difference between men and women's plights with marriage. Society shunned women who wouldn't marry. That's right, they were ostracised, even sectioned in mental institutions because they didn't want to give what little they had to a man.
But men have always been able to say no to arrive with no consequences. Even now, they can say no and if they come to the uk they would find plenty of women who just ain't bothered about getting married.

Propaganda? I've nothing to hide, everything I bring to this thread is based on historical and current fact. Feel free to blow a hole wide open in the facts I've presented instead of just accusing me of spreading propaganda.



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 03:16 AM
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it doesn't matter if it happened to women for thousands of years and men, only a few years, as the point is-- it was wrong when it happened to women and it's still wrong when it happens to men! holey rusted metal batman!



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 03:49 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

it doesn't matter if it happened to women for thousands of years and men, only a few years, as the point is-- it was wrong when it happened to women and it's still wrong when it happens to men! holey rusted metal batman!



Im not saying its right what CAN happen to SOME men, what im stating is that they can freely opt out of marriage without any repercussions from society that women have previously experienced.
Im only mentioning women's plight with marriage because many boys on here are insistent that only THEY are victims which is historically untrue.

We should be looking at the full picture not just a corner of it. Would you not agree?



posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 04:10 AM
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the past isn't the issue. the right now, is the issue. right now, the legal system is set up to abuse men/fathers/husbands. that's not logical. bringing up what happened a generation or more ago, is a waste of time, considering it doesn't fix the current problem, only dance around it with pitchforks, saying "na na na boo boo" and "karma!" it's not freakin' karma, since the men here, did none of that stuff. they are being punished for actions that predate them by decades and in some cases centuries or even millenia.



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