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why are these ex british troops not facing the same charges as jiahdists?

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posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:42 PM
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the EU courts ruled britains terrorism act to be illegal.


because its discrimination pure and simple, it literally says to stop people who are of ethnicity for searches.




posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: muckleduck
If anyone wants to go fight against people who breach human rights laws in barbaric ways I have no problem at all.
There's a real world out there OP, it ain't all magic n marshmallows...or maybe it is in your world.
I'd turn a blind eye to someone killing another if they had raped their child or whatever, perhaps your moral focus is superior to mine but I couldn't care less.
I don't welcome people who support rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the UK...I do however welcome people returning to the UK who have fought rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the world.
They may have been less than successful as Solo intimated (being from his home town) but either way their intentions explain why I'm happy to have them in the UK (free) ...they stand against rapists, murderers and other such lowlife.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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I think the 2 soldiers probably didnt have the backing of the UK, but most likely were not told, No. Surely they were told to strip all nationality flags, and patches. It would be a great way to get some real boots on the ground recon.They entered on their own, to fight against people already in a civil war, I guess im missing what is so wrong about that. Unless they killed women children, and men that were not apart of any ISIS or terrorist group, then that would be bad.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: muckleduck

right right one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. except in this case one group of "freedom fighters" is an internationally recognized terrorist group, and the other side isn't. if you can't see the difference between leaving to go hang out with a terrorist group and leaving to go hang out with a non-terrorist group, nobody here will be able to explain it to you. just because you chose to define it as murder doesn't mean that it is. unlawful killing (murder) is a legal term, and regardless of how you choose to define it, it doesn't change the legal definition of it, so ranting that these guys are murderers is pretty pointless, to be honest.


define terror?

many would argue the biggest threat to human kind is the u.s.a, how many civilians did al qaeda and isis combined kill in the past decade? compare that to the civilian casualites in iraq and afghan from co-allition troops.

starting to paint a picture yet?

we are the terrorists in their eyes.

rightly so aswell, they told us in no uncertain terms that this would happen if we invaded, iraq was an illegal war so why should they not have a chance to be heard?

i mean as long as mcdonalds is open 24/7 and u have t.v whats to worry about?

brown children dying at the hands of our munitions doesnt matter to most westerners as long as they get to sleep at night.

ok lets try this from a different angle, the gaza strip, who is the terrorist there? not the palestinians, they arent invading israel are they, who funds israel heavily?

who critices iran for funding hezbollah in palsetinee? oh america


fine for america to supply terrorists with munitions but not iran.

we have doule standards for everything, we should stop, especially when we in the west claim we promote freedom and liberty...yea right.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: Glassbender777
I think the 2 soldiers probably didnt have the backing of the UK, but most likely were not told, No. Surely they were told to strip all nationality flags, and patches. It would be a great way to get some real boots on the ground recon.They entered on their own, to fight against people already in a civil war, I guess im missing what is so wrong about that. Unless they killed women children, and men that were not apart of any ISIS or terrorist group, then that would be bad.


if they felt that the risk at home is so great then why are they allowing their faces to be shown?

doesnt seem like much of risk in our homelands, a panic button isnt going to do crap if some guy is willing to blow themselves up to kill you.

threat isnt so great at home if they are willing to martyr themselves for another country.

if isis is a global threat then why are the muslims in western countries not blowing themselves up now that the "caliphate" is here?

because they have no intentions on it.

do the aryan brothers in america represent america as a whole? no

so isis doesnt represent all muslims.

i have another thread on how terrorism is a false cooked up western notion that we promote and encourage in reality.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: muckleduck
If anyone wants to go fight against people who breach human rights laws in barbaric ways I have no problem at all.
There's a real world out there OP, it ain't all magic n marshmallows...or maybe it is in your world.
I'd turn a blind eye to someone killing another if they had raped their child or whatever, perhaps your moral focus is superior to mine but I couldn't care less.
I don't welcome people who support rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the UK...I do however welcome people returning to the UK who have fought rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the world.
They may have been less than successful as Solo intimated (being from his home town) but either way their intentions explain why I'm happy to have them in the UK (free) ...they stand against rapists, murderers and other such lowlife.


and what about the abu ghraib? care to explain yourself?

our troops did a good share of their rape and torture aswell.

but since they are the home team its fine right? all that stress of killing women and children and farmers all day to wind down at night raping and torturing prisoners.

do these guys reprsent our military as a whole?

no so why do we think isis reprsent the isalmic faith as a whole?



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: muckleduck

ter·ror
ˈterər/Submit
noun
1.
extreme fear.

I know you despise the US and hate all things American. You've made that abundantly clear through your posts. You've also made it abundantly clear that you will go all over the proverbial map to try and find a point that sticks and that you can be "right" about. Your own OP is about ex Brit military fighting against IS, and now we're talking about the US funding Israel.

This post should really be moved to the rant section, as all of your comments are just one long rant against the US, Britain, and the west in general.

I'm out



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Jamie Read is from my home town...Wannabe Operator, Got the Beard and everything. He lasted two weeks and came scuttling back home.
Everything was posted on Facebook, even his address. His Girlfriend was loving the attention..seemed like a great idea at the time. now he has security cameras and alarms all around the house and Armed response on speed dial...

Oh, and now his neighbours need to live with the threat of some mad jihadi's blowing up his and surrounding houses..Way to go Operator.


bringing the threat home with him.

why re all homes not fitted with such security measures if the threat of islamic fundamnetals is so great....i wonder


this is a perfect example of what happens when u stick ur nose in someone elses business, why do u think gadaffi supplied the ira so heavily?



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: muckleduck

ter·ror
ˈterər/Submit
noun
1.
extreme fear.

I know you despise the US and hate all things American. You've made that abundantly clear through your posts. You've also made it abundantly clear that you will go all over the proverbial map to try and find a point that sticks and that you can be "right" about. Your own OP is about ex Brit military fighting against IS, and now we're talking about the US funding Israel.

This post should really be moved to the rant section, as all of your comments are just one long rant against the US, Britain, and the west in general.

I'm out


it was an example to help u along in this debate.

america has supported terror since ww2, the facts must be a bit much for you, go do your research.

just because we call them terrorists doesnt give us justification to murder indiscrimintly.

they view us as the terroris, who invades whos country us or them?



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: muckleduck

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: muckleduck
If anyone wants to go fight against people who breach human rights laws in barbaric ways I have no problem at all.
There's a real world out there OP, it ain't all magic n marshmallows...or maybe it is in your world.
I'd turn a blind eye to someone killing another if they had raped their child or whatever, perhaps your moral focus is superior to mine but I couldn't care less.
I don't welcome people who support rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the UK...I do however welcome people returning to the UK who have fought rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the world.
They may have been less than successful as Solo intimated (being from his home town) but either way their intentions explain why I'm happy to have them in the UK (free) ...they stand against rapists, murderers and other such lowlife.


and what about the abu ghraib? care to explain yourself?

our troops did a good share of their rape and torture aswell.

but since they are the home team its fine right? all that stress of killing women and children and farmers all day to wind down at night raping and torturing prisoners.

do these guys reprsent our military as a whole?

no so why do we think isis reprsent the isalmic faith as a whole?


Please, your OP mentioned nothing about UK forces treatment of prisoners, don't change the discussion.
...and bizarre as is may sound while replying to a thread creator, how about staying on topic and sticking to the point I made without meandering off with wider political discussion regarding actions of the UK government.
Twat.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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not once in the past 100 years has america been invaded ,but how many countries has america invaded?

i dont see muslims setting up vast military bases in allied nations, do you?

do you see a huge naval fleet for the muslims to project their influence?

what about their airforce?

what direct threat does america face from isis?

enlighten me.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: muckleduck

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: muckleduck
If anyone wants to go fight against people who breach human rights laws in barbaric ways I have no problem at all.
There's a real world out there OP, it ain't all magic n marshmallows...or maybe it is in your world.
I'd turn a blind eye to someone killing another if they had raped their child or whatever, perhaps your moral focus is superior to mine but I couldn't care less.
I don't welcome people who support rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the UK...I do however welcome people returning to the UK who have fought rapists, murderers and other such lowlife in the world.
They may have been less than successful as Solo intimated (being from his home town) but either way their intentions explain why I'm happy to have them in the UK (free) ...they stand against rapists, murderers and other such lowlife.


and what about the abu ghraib? care to explain yourself?

our troops did a good share of their rape and torture aswell.

but since they are the home team its fine right? all that stress of killing women and children and farmers all day to wind down at night raping and torturing prisoners.

do these guys reprsent our military as a whole?

no so why do we think isis reprsent the isalmic faith as a whole?


Please, your OP mentioned nothing about UK forces treatment of prisoners, don't change the discussion.
...and bizarre as is may sound while replying to a thread creator, how about staying on topic and sticking to the point I made without meandering off with wider political discussion regarding actions of the UK government.
Twat.

my op didnt but these guys act as if its only bad for the other side to be doing these things, i pointed out that our side does it just as much.

if the truth is too much to stomach i suggest u go back to t.v.

are u taking this stance because u see how hypocritical u are bieng?

u brought up the rapes and murders.

now u cant handle the truth, im not going to sugar coat things for you just because your sensitive.


someone sounds cranky, must be hard realising our troops arent angels eh.
edit on 23-12-2014 by muckleduck because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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Oh deary me, you seem to be fond of attempting to portray other people in ways which their own published words do not support your portrayal.
I am happy for any private individual to help support any oppressed group in the world if the people they are fighting are some organised rapist/murderer group which I wouldn't want controlling my neighbourhood.
You apparently think differently, that is your right.
I think only a twat would think that.

Kindest regards though



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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most responders to this thread sounds like victims of the patriot act "if u aint with us ur against us" that involves critil thinking and pointing out obvious hypocrisy of the western world in regards to how it deals with other countries.


oh no no cant think for yourserlf in thiis day and age, if u dont agree with the masses then ur opinion on the matter seems not to matter.

how many british citizens do you know that actively support the war on terror?

i dont know anyone who thinks we should be there, including who hve done several tours over there.

most of these people replying have probably never watched another human die, for that i envy you i suppose.

killing en mass in the M.E has got to the point where we ARE THE NEW NAZIS.

doubt anyone posting in favour of these guys going out to fight a war that has nothing to do with them has ever lost someone needlessly in a pointless war.

just because we have more money and influence doesnt give us right to bully sovereign nations.

thank god theres at least 1 real leader on this planet holding things together, without putin syria would be a wasteland by now, same with iran, israel.

without threat of retalition from them americ doesnt have as much wiggle room now for illegal invasions.

if we wanted our troops in syria they would be there, guess what the public voted against even just airstrikes on syria.

wake yourself up please.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: muckleduck
...can you stay on-topic please?



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: muckleduck
Oh deary me, you seem to be fond of attempting to portray other people in ways which their own published words do not support your portrayal.
I am happy for any private individual to help support any oppressed group in the world if the people they are fighting are some organised rapist/murderer group which I wouldn't want controlling my neighbourhood.
You apparently think differently, that is your right.
I think only a twat would think that.

Kindest regards though



just proves how narrow minded you are that you only view things from your own perspective.

put yourselves in the shoes of all those innocent that OUR bombs have killed.

grow up war isnt a game.

i wish people like you would be the first sent out there, honestly, if u feel this strongly go fight isis.

the ones that call for war have often never been or had anyone close to them serve and lose their lives.

european views towards americ have been shifting since the start of the illegal invasions.

blind patriotism, ironic.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: muckleduck
...can you stay on-topic please?


can you? get out of the thread, u bring up stuff then cry when u get facts thtrown in your face, you have added nothing interesting so far?

other than attacking me personally.

grow up or sign up and go fight over there yourself.

i know your type well.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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If you feel the need to get over then by all means please do.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: muckleduck
its essentially the same principle, these 2 ex british soldiers took it upon themselves to enter syria to fight their own war.

if they were muslims then they would be getting a lengthy sentence now.

why 1 rule for us and 1 for them?

www.express.co.uk...

they do not represent the state so therefore what do they weish to gain other than revenge killings for the beheading of an aid worker.

its the same principle, if we actually livedby the laws of these lands then these 2 individuals should face the same charges jihdadists returning from the same areas.

they left for the same reasons to fight in that country essentially, so does this mean tht every british citizen is free to go to syria take up arms for a few months and return home with no problems?

if they had been brown i imagine this would be alot different.



Hi wondering why you don't state which branch of Islam you are ? IS is killing everyone including their own faith so try not using the broad Muslin/skin Colour crap. isn't Alibaddie a white guy? Born a Christian -

As for your question - it appears the 2 were treated like any other returning jihadist will be
from link - They returned to Britain last week and were questioned by anti-terrorism officers for six hours at London's Heathrow Airport before being released. --

The British authorities have no evidence of a crime being committed - The interviews show that the 2 are not a threat to the British public. The local population thanked them for their help in words alone.

Perhaps if ISIS would allow their supporters to return home without killing them or be a threat to British People perhaps you'll see the same treatment. Not shore if the locals will be thanking them.

You appear to have a chip on your shoulder and instead of wanting peace want revenge. Problem with teaching revenge as a way of life is as long as two sides sustain a population you'll be fighting.

When ISIS is defeated will you support the peaceful process of forgiveness or demand revenge for losing?



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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your happy to sit on the sidelines until it gets too real, then u cry
.

war doesnt go 1 way, if we invade a country we should expect anything that comes our way.

u clearly dont understand any of what went on in the M.E.

the different factions of islam have been fighting for longer than most can remember.

america funds al qaeda to get a foothold in the region, installs puppet regime in iraq etc.

your intellegence seems so low im not even going to bother embarassing you further with facts.



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