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TV Meteorologist shot. Chemtrail Believers Applaud it

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posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: MikeHawke
a reply to: [post=18799986]waynos[a

and in your head. these are what make the things in my pictures? they arent even coming from the turbines. where contrails are formed..


Why are you trying so hard to NOT get this?

Engines use air to mix with fuel. Known fact. In aircraft engines, the air comes in and some is used for mixing with fuel. The rest is passed through the engine dissipating heat as it goes by. So when the unused air is done, it's hot. It is spewed into the very cold air behind the engines. Since it was the same moist air that was in front of the plane, when it's done being hot, it cools down quickly since the air is very cold. (-50c clold) or more. If conditions are right, (like they need to be for cloud formation) then the moist air will freeze into visible ice crystals. (just like cirrus clouds are) And what you see will be a long man made cirrus cloud.


Or....only on days where THEY have made clouds, THEY will spray bad juice on the public and somehow, not spray themselves or their families. It will cause a slow death of everyone. They should die in 80-90 years. It's a terrible plan. But quite effective.




posted on Dec, 25 2014 @ 07:31 PM
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Going back to the topic at hand here...

It's interesting that those comments on the facebook page are allowed to be left standing there unredacted, neither are they being met with any real opposition from chemtrail believers. Keep in mind that many chemtrail believers here are claiming they're posted by shills or something to that extent.

Now just for fun try and post anything skeptical of chemtrails on that same page, and let's see how long they are allowed to be up there.
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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 04:51 AM
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a reply to: payt69

Absolutely, I posted something along similar lines. There are several posts on here calling out the OP saying that one or two nutters are not representative of chemtrail believers, IF those comments were even posted by genuine believers at all, etc. Rather than looking at the comments themselves, I think the fact that they sit there untouched and unchallenged by any of the 'saner' believers is rather more damning.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: waynos

Very true. It's rather unsettling to see that such comments aren't seen as problematic. What they see as the real problem is expressed in their disclaimer:

'NOTE: In this group, you will not be irritated by people who claim that geoengineering/chemtrails don't exist. We know they exist and we ban chemtrail deniers, debunkers, debators, and disinformers.

We are a G-Rated, Family-Friendly group. We welcome everyone from all walks of life to learn about and educate the world about the largest crime against humanity in human history: Geoengineering, popularly known as "chemtrails".


See.. they really don't like questions of a critical nature. Those are seen as an irritation, and anyone expressing doubts or asking real questions is immediately banned.

And that's how this whole delusion persists. Just like any other religion, you have to make sure that the flock is protected from bad influences from the outside world. They can't see anything that might make them second guess the doctrines.. that's what it takes to be among the 'awakened ones'. lol



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: network dude

this should simplify it as easy as I can get it for you people. explain to me how the lower altitude trails are lingering whereas the one that high altitude is doing exactly what a normal airliner should do.. have a contrail a hundred yards to 300 yards behind it.. and then I'm still waiting for the explanation of what geoengineering is from one of you clever clever people.



and I can't wait to hear all the non meteorologist or weather man in here. Point out all the "it could be" or "maybe becauses". what excuse are you going to go with? air currents, humidity, or some other bull# that they have no idea nor been to school on. Just explain why the higher altitude trails are dissipating whereas the lower altitude ones are lingering. cause that's usually the excuses you guys cling to. high altitudes and humidity.

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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: MikeHawke
a reply to: network dude

this should simplify it as easy as I can get it for you people. explain to me how the lower altitude trails are lingering whereas the one that high altitude is doing exactly what a normal airliner should do.. have a contrail a hundred yards to 300 yards behind it..

Conditions at altitude vary. have you ever flown in a big plane? If so, did you ever experience the magic called "turbulence"? That was a patch of different air the plane flew through. have you ever noticed how in some parts of the sky there are clouds and in others.......no clouds? Yea, me neither.


and then I'm still waiting for the explanation of what geoengineering is from one of you clever clever people.


Geoengineering, geological engineering, engineering geology, or geotechnical engineering deals with the discovery, development, and production and use of subsurface earth resources, as well as the design and construction of earth works. Geoengineering is the application of geosciences, where mechanics, mathematics, physics, chemistry, and geology are used to understand and shape our interaction with the earth. Geoengineers work in areas of (1) mining, including surface and subsurface excavations, and rock burst mitigation; (2) energy, including hydraulic fracturing and drilling for exploration and production of water, oil, or gas; (3) infrastructure, including underground transportation systems and isolation of nuclear and hazardous wastes; and (4) environment, including groundwater flow, contaminant transport and remediation, and hydraulic structures.

On this site, it's assumed to be spraying unknown something into the sky for unknown reasons, buy unknown people. So far, all is still in the unknown category. (some folks calls that a conspiracy)




and I can't wait to hear all the non meteorologist or weather man in here. Point out all the "it could be" or "maybe becauses". what excuse are you going to go with? air currents, humidity, or some other bull# that they have no idea nor been to school on. Just explain why the higher altitude trails are dissipating whereas the lower altitude ones are lingering. cause that's usually the excuses you guys cling to. high altitudes and humidity.

It's called science, not excuses. Excuses are what folks like you come up with to explain away the science.

If you want to know, rather than display your ignorance, look it up. It's not hidden or secret.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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Chemtrails exist, chemtrails don't exist...
Well no one knows...but yes, lets ridicule one an another on the basis of nothing.

Some people on one side claims it's impossible and don't even believe in geo-engeneering, while others on the other side claim that every single contrail is a chemtrail.

All I know, is that the governments lie, the media lies, corporations lie, health agencies lie and money doesn't.
I'm still on the fence about the whole situation and I don't think that it's the deniers on this forum that will make me choose a side. In fact, the zealousness of the anti-chemtrail posters on ATS is what makes me ever more skeptic.

In my opinion, everyone of you taking sides are the same than religious believers and I encourage people to stay open minded.
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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
On this site, it's assumed to be spraying unknown something into the sky for unknown reasons, buy unknown people. So far, all is still in the unknown category. (some folks calls that a conspiracy)


No no, YOU assume that's what people think because it's easy to ridicule the straw men in YOUR head.

Keep on debating, your exactly the type of poster that makes me still believe that maybe something is really happening up there.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: theMediator

I wonder, do you even read the posts here?

NOBODY is saying it cannot happen. NOBODY is saying geo-engineering isn't real. What is being said, is that those white lines in the sky that everyone posts pictures of and claims they are chemtrails, sure do look and act a lot like contrails. And to date, there seems to be no credible evidence that any of the spray operations proposed in geo-engineering meetings are happening.

It's the chemtrail nutters and sometimes the folks who "CLAIM" to be on the sidelines that push the same old lies. Like the post above with the nice pictures. Since the two trails are different, one MUST be a chemtrail. Why? Because some other idiot said so.

But since a few posters here argue the logical side of things, that magically makes the other side true. Brilliant.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: network dude
On this site, it's assumed to be spraying unknown something into the sky for unknown reasons, buy unknown people. So far, all is still in the unknown category. (some folks calls that a conspiracy)


No no, YOU assume that's what people think because it's easy to ridicule the straw men in YOUR head.

Keep on debating, your exactly the type of poster that makes me still believe that maybe something is really happening up there.


How about you show me the error of my ways. I am not opposed to being wrong. But what I have seen here, is those posting about geo-engineering seem to be focusing on the SRM side of things. Please post where that's incorrect.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: MikeHawke

So you and others here fully grasp the reason why any of us are opposed to the chemtrail meme, here is it. Put very, very simply.



Why is one of them a chemtrail?

Please be careful with your answer. If I can use basic meteorological science to explain why your answer is incorrect, then by all logical rights, you should have to re-evaluate your position. You won't. If you come up with an answer I cannot find a logical scientific answer for, then by logic I MUST re-evaluate MY position. If that should happen, I will.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: MikeHawke
a reply to: network dude

this should simplify it as easy as I can get it for you people. explain to me how the lower altitude trails are lingering whereas the one that high altitude is doing exactly what a normal airliner should do.. have a contrail a hundred yards to 300 yards behind it..


You must be new to the chemtrail phenomenon if this is still a mystery to you. The air isn't a homogenous thing where circumstances are the same everywhere. That's why you can have patches of clouds in one place, and clear skies in another.

In the same fashion you can have areas of saturated air in one area, while a bit higher or lower the circumstances can be different. It's hard to tell from the picture at what altitude the aircraft are flying, but it's obvious that they're encountering different circumstances.

From a meteorological point of view this is not a mystery at all. It's in fact what's expected. Scientists have been looking at and and researched contrails for over 70 years now, and they are a very well understood phenomenon.

Now if you come here and want to convince us that all these findings have in fact been wrong, and that a contrail should never persist for longer than say a few minutes, you better bring some real good evidence. You'll also have to explain why cirrus clouds, which are found at the same altitude as contrails, have no problem persisting, while a contrail supposed shouldn't be able to do the same ting, despite their being the same thing technically (a cloud of frozen H2O).


and then I'm still waiting for the explanation of what geoengineering is from one of you clever clever people.


Why do you need us to tell you that? Don't you know how to work with google? I mean a quick search should bring up a whole slew of answers. Some of those will be from people who are actually involved with such programs, and some are from chemtrail people. Both of them tell a different story. One refers to the white lines you call chemtrails, and the other involves theoretical research and proposals. There is zero evidence that any of the proposed plans are active at this point in time.




and I can't wait to hear all the non meteorologist or weather man in here. Point out all the "it could be" or "maybe becauses". what excuse are you going to go with? air currents, humidity, or some other bull# that they have no idea nor been to school on. Just explain why the higher altitude trails are dissipating whereas the lower altitude ones are lingering. cause that's usually the excuses you guys cling to. high altitudes and humidity.


I've been over that previously, but you don't have to take my word for it. The science is out there for you to be discovered. How many studies did you look at?

Wikipedia actually has a pretty good description, and a bunch of links in the reference section to get you going:

en.wikipedia.org...

Once you understand the basics of contrails, you may want to go back to a chemtrail site and see if any of the chemtrail stuff still makes sense to you.

Good luck

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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: MikeHawke
a reply to: network dude

this should simplify it as easy as I can get it for you people. explain to me how the lower altitude trails are lingering whereas the one that high altitude is doing exactly what a normal airliner should do.. have a contrail a hundred yards to 300 yards behind it.. and then I'm still waiting for the explanation of what geoengineering is from one of you clever clever people.



and I can't wait to hear all the non meteorologist or weather man in here. Point out all the "it could be" or "maybe becauses". what excuse are you going to go with? air currents, humidity, or some other bull# that they have no idea nor been to school on. Just explain why the higher altitude trails are dissipating whereas the lower altitude ones are lingering. cause that's usually the excuses you guys cling to. high altitudes and humidity.


You appear to be assuming that the short trail is higher, but why? How do you know? Is it because the short trail looks higher because it's relatively smaller?

That would be a very silly assumption as there is no perspective to judge against. Persisting trails spread out sometimes, this makes them look bigger, but it doesn't make them lower. Consider also the difference in size of a contrail coming from an engine that produces 20,000lb thrust and one from an engine five times more powerful at 100,000lb. Would you expect their contrails to look the same?

I saw something similar today, as the Aer Lingus A320 approached the spreading contrail ahead of it the bigger contrail looked to be much lower to the naked eye than the one being left by the A320, so how come the Airbus contrail passes underneath the one that appeared to be lower? The answer is that you simply cannot judge altitude with the naked eye.



And then there's the question, WHY should airliner contrails vanish quickly? Explain the reason this would happen or why you think so, if you would be so kind. If anything it would be the other way round and something sprayed from a plane would quickly dissipate, but I can't wait to hear how you explain your version.


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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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how do I know it is? easy, how do you know its not?

how long do you want to go in that circle?

and I wonder upon googling geoengineering how you found the only website that had none of the regular evidence that you see in every single geoengineering website. I wonder how many times you guys come across counter points in the website and you just completely skipped past it. like when I read lines like this

Huffington Post


Secret Report Lays Out the Plan

A heavily redacted copy of a classified report titled "America Cools Down on Climate" (ACDC) and obtained by TheGreenGrok outlines the audacious plan to use commercial air traffic to mitigate the growing impacts of climate change across the United States.


I'm not so stupid that I'll just ignore it just for the sake of my point..

arguing with you guys like Galileo arguing with the Catholic Church. it did not matter.. it was going to go the way they wanted to no matter what. its called cognitive dissonance..

here's a better question instead of going in the circles. exactly what would you call evidence.. Is the only acceptable thing ull take is the President of the United States to come out and say "yes we're doing this" and that's the only thing you'll accept? asking for unprovable evidence makes u look like a 6 yr old. let me get a #ing tape measure and measure the planes height.. so you're telling me you can't tell the difference of say, when a plane comes out of an airport and just departed and when the plane is already in flight? because there's no way to tell with the naked eye right? that literally makes you lose any kind of credibility here if you can't even tell the difference between those things. explain what my article talking about. explain the aerosols used that reflects Sun particles to prevent global warming. how are the aerosols dispersed. I'm not about to go breaking into airport for you guys to prove a point. and it's funny because that's the only thing that you'll guys accept something like that... 6 yr old #..



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: MikeHawke

How come you don't post anything except rhetoric? All you have to offer "believe me because I say so, I don't believe you because I don't want to, this picture on the Internet says its a chemtrail, blah blah blah".

How about you say why contrails can't persist while clouds can? How about you explain how you measure altitude with your eyeballs without any reference points at all? These are claims you have made with no justification offered.

Or even just why all it takes is for someone on a website to tell you a picture is a chemtrail for you to accept it unquestioningly like a pre-programmed drone?



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Lmao. and I didn't even get to this one yet. is what you're trying to say that there's parts of the sky that refused to accept cloud forms? like a no clouds zone? Lolol. or maybe the wind has something to do with where clouds are at that time and place Chief..



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: waynos

Ur good at ignoring such obvious #. Ur overcomplicating a simple statement. Now blaming the internet for bad evedience. (Which on turn) denies all ur own evidence.. Internet sites. which is all you're throwing at me.. Explain what its talking about. I'm waiting..


America Cools Down on Climate" (ACDC) and obtained by TheGreenGrok outlines the audacious plan to use commercial air traffic to mitigate the growing impacts of climate change across the United States. 



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: MikeHawke

Ah yes grasshopper, the sky is only as you say it is. When others see clouds in one part and no clouds in the other, it's an illusion. Quite possibly project bluebeam. Everything is a conspiracy. And you are the most mature poster I have encountered as of yet.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: MikeHawke
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how do I know it is? easy, how do you know its not?

how long do you want to go in that circle?


What everyone else is saying is that you cannot tell, so explain how, it's not a circle you are just avoiding answering a question that is too hard for you (because there is no answer that isn't bullsht)


arguing with you guys like Galileo arguing with the Catholic Church. it did not matter.. it was going to go the way they wanted to no matter what. its called cognitive dissonance..


Only if Galileo stuck his fingers in in ears and argued by going "la...la....la....la. I'm not listening". This is not a debate as YOU signally fail to respond to questions or explain your position.


let me get a #ing tape measure and measure the planes height..
or you can use any number of tracker apps to get the altitude OR stop claiming to know a trail is lower when you can't. You might want to stop using moronic swear words as well, it's a sure sign of being inarticulate.


so you're telling me you can't tell the difference of say, when a plane comes out of an airport and just departed and when the plane is already in flight? because there's no way to tell with the naked eye right? that literally makes you lose any kind of credibility here if you can't even tell the difference between those things.


You really are trying very hard not to get it, aren't you. You haven't shown an aeroplane that has just left an airport at all, let alone one that is leaving a trail, you posted an old, stock, and very well known picture that claims to show a contrail and chemtrail in the same shot. Where the hell did you get that it had just taken off? What type of plane left the trail? What was the route, time, date? Anything? YOU DONT KNOW. But here you are acting like other people are the stupid ones.


explain what my article talking about. explain the aerosols used that reflects Sun particles to prevent global warming. how are the aerosols dispersed. I'm not about to go breaking into airport for you guys to prove a point. and it's funny because that's the only thing that you'll guys accept something like that... 6 yr old #..


How about you answer the questions you've been asked instead of trying to use deflection tactics. When grown ups talk, they answer questions asked of them, then when they pose their own they can expect replies in turn. You debate like a small child.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: MikeHawke

Can you show me a website that denies something I've said in this thread and show why it is correct and I am not.

Tick tock.

PS THE huff post article is pretty intersting. But nowhere in it does it claim that contrails are chemtrails. This is the stupid fallacy that you are saying is true. Why link to an article that doesn't even mention thrm to support you?

Geo engineering is many many different things. Ironically, one thing it isn't is contrails.


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