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Halo 2 - Military Propaganda?

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posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 06:18 AM
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(I didn't know where else to post this, so feel free to move it.)



I am not sure how many of you out there play this game, I personally, wouldn't say love, but it is one of my favourites. But the single player campaign struck me as odd.

In halo2 basically, an alien race that is made up of religious extremists are trying to find an ancient "key", this race called the "Covanent" make there way to earth, and the Human race has to fight them off, etc. etc.
Kind of like the fear of Usama Bin Laden, or something, Sorry I cant find the right words. Terrorism? No...Bascially the feeling, we have to kill them so they can't kill of Humanity? Sorry I am tired.

This struck me even though it continues from Halo1, because it seems to make you hate them (well tries, they often insult you when you die). Could this be warping of peoples minds to hate religious extremists, i.e. Usama B.L. ? Seems like it to me. Even though extremizm isn't always good.

What struck me even harder was the second level. Your fighting your way through a human city, Soon as I saw this level I thought "woah, welcome to Iraq".


Or maybe it just a game with alot of simularities?

[edit on 13-12-2004 by _BLiND_]




posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 07:25 AM
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Civilization is thought to have started in the Iraqi region, ...
Our archeologists are mainly active in that region too, when researching early civilizations.

Read the books if you want to know the story.
The 2nd game folows the 1st game because the game series are created after and in paralel with the book storyline.

Theres no more agenda to the story then Tom Clancy's books have. Its fiction.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 07:00 AM
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Doubtful.

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posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 02:52 PM
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Well that level is actually set in Africa. I hope I dont ruin the ending for you but the Humans and the elite are actually working together.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 02:57 PM
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Yeah...I wasn't going to ruin the ending! OK...as you now know....the Covanant and Humans end up working together. So who do the Zombies represent? We also have a power struggle within the Covanant, who would this be?.

Why am I even trying to relate this?



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by BillyTheCat
Yeah...I wasn't going to ruin the ending! OK...as you now know....the Covanant and Humans end up working together. So who do the Zombies represent? We also have a power struggle within the Covanant, who would this be?.

Why am I even trying to relate this?


Maybe the FLOOD represent the FRENCH
. Also who would the Brutes and the forerunners represent?



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56

Originally posted by BillyTheCat
Yeah...I wasn't going to ruin the ending! OK...as you now know....the Covanant and Humans end up working together. So who do the Zombies represent? We also have a power struggle within the Covanant, who would this be?.

Why am I even trying to relate this?


Maybe the FLOOD represent the FRENCH
. Also who would the Brutes and the forerunners represent?



LOL! that'd be funny, i've played the game once though and i thought it was terrible, just terrible.



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by thematrix
Civilization is thought to have started in the Iraqi region, ...
Our archeologists are mainly active in that region too, when researching early civilizations.

Read the books if you want to know the story.
The 2nd game folows the 1st game because the game series are created after and in paralel with the book storyline.

Theres no more agenda to the story then Tom Clancy's books have. Its fiction.


yeah one of the most ancient culture where the Sumerians, and they started it all, math, science, medicine, astronomy, etc...



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 11:48 AM
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Ruin the game for me? ... I beat the game Nov. 10th, beat it on legendary Nov. 12. Beat it on legendary with all the skulls about 3 weeks ago.

I find legendary easy as _____ now.

Anyways...yah but still...BLAHHHHHHHHHHh



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 02:37 AM
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Its a nice game, vary graphical, but I can't see it being anymore than a game. Like another said, its fiction... Perhaps one of us should approach a dev or two...



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 02:10 PM
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The powerstrugle within the Covenant is between the Brutes and the Elite.

The Brutes have been 2nd to the Elite although they are stronger for ages.
With the failure of the Elite in Halo 1, the Brutes become the Captains of the Covenant troops.



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 06:07 PM
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The game is great, but personaly i dont play the single player mich. The first 2 levels are in Africa, that island on the south-east. I beat the game on Heroic, but i spend most of my time online, feel free to play me , my gamertag is the same as me ID here. TKainZero. I think the ending was lame, but i hope the 3rd comes faster than this one did, and i et my pistol back, also is there a DIFFRENT ENDING FOR lEGANDARY?
Peace, good luck



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by faddinglight
Its a nice game, vary graphical, but I can't see it being anymore than a game. Like another said, its fiction... Perhaps one of us should approach a dev or two...



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 10:26 PM
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erm..... i dont wanna interupt anything but .... shouldnt we be debating conspiracys and the such?.. but yeah anyway.. halo 2 did suck



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Lukas
erm..... i dont wanna interupt anything but .... shouldnt we be debating conspiracys and the such?.. but yeah anyway.. halo 2 did suck


Halo 2 sucked, are you insane, why do you think it is bad, are you alergic to near perfection, is it to hard for you, can you not adapt to not having the pistol, if you dont like halo 2 then what do you like, Powderpuff girls, superman?



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 08:26 AM
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You should look at games like First to Fight, or Full Spectrum warrior if you want to try to find any type of conspiracy. These games teach tactics to the military, and it is very authentic when playing. AS a player,You have to think and actually fight, flank, move, use resources, as if in a real gunbattle. If you have played FSW you will know how intense it can become. If one wanted to look at these as training sims for kids and teens, i can see that angle. I mean, my 5 y/o son imitates Ghost Recon 2 when we go to the park, hand signals and all. but am i worried that the governemnt is trying to brainwash my kid, no.

I love to play co-op with him, he knows what suppression fire is, like when we took on the Hunters in the above pic when we first got Halo. Halo2 was a great game, especially when you took the role of the Elite. I beat it on Heroic, and I am 4 levels in on legendary and it is kicking my ass. The only thing that sucked was the ending, a real cliffhanger........



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 08:30 AM
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I would say if you are worried about the goverment getting to your kids, keep them out of the boyscouts, thats where the armed forces training starts. I would be intrested in knowing to ratio of boyscouts that go into the armed forces.



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 09:12 AM
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Power puff girls!?!!? lol, nah, im more of a full spectrum warrior kinda guy. if you want gaming perfection... check out halflife 2!



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 09:24 AM
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Don't worry about the Boy scouts, thats where the molesting starts...



posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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Im playing halo 2 right now for the first time, ive just got to the second level and I was thinking the exact same thing as you were blind, you get off a space ship and arrive in Iraq accompanied by military music and cut scenes of soldiers on rooftops with sniper rifles joking with each other, the first thing I said to myself was "what the hell is this". It just screams military commercial.

I came to this thread just now while I was searching for anyone else who has the same problem with halo 2 on google.

I havent gotten into the whole "extremist covenant" bits yet though, but now I cant wait


EDIT:


Haha, i just read a news story claiming Halo 2 is liberal propaghanda to which some dude claiming he was from Bungee (the game designers) replied with:



Cool8man
Hey guys,

Let me be really clear about this: there is no intentional political message in Halo2, anti-Bush or otherwise.

While I tried to be mindful of folks' sensitivities as I wrote its story, I knew that the game was going to scrutinized by a large, diverse audience, and would, therefore, be interpreted (or mis-interpreted, as the case may be) any number of different ways.

The EW journalist chose to include one of my examples of possible misinterpretation in the article, but not all of them. Most importantly, the journalist left out my closing statement: "Look, you can read anything into the story that you like - call a damning condemnation of the Bush Admnistration's adventure in the Middle-East, for example. But you'd be wrong."

In retrospect, It would have been best to give no example at all, but hindsight is 20-20.

Long story short: while we didn't water-down Halo2's story in an impossible effort to make it inoffensive to everyone, we were nonetheless careful not to do anything that would be patently offensive regardless of someone's perspective (e.g. reward people for injuring or killing the game's female characters, something most folks would agree is offensive, full-stop).

Halo2's story is non-partisan. Any meaning you ascribe to it is yours alone.

And remember, at the end of the day, whatever some journalist says I said really doesn't matter. The proof is in the pudding. Play the game, and I think you'll see it's just that: a fun game with a good story.

Thanks,
Joseph Staten

Director of Cinematics
Bungie Studios137 posted on 11/08/2004 5:37:17 PM PST by bungiefella

I'm glad to know they're coming out and fighting this rumor, otherwise Microsoft and Bungie were going to end up on many people's ****lists very quickly. :p


[edit on 7-1-2005 by electric squid carpet]



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