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David Icke and political peadophiles. Is it time to re adress his claims?

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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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Although I do not understand the science involved I have seen a few articles lately disscussing scientist conducting experiments to show the universe is holographic.

I do not know if the two are in any way similar but thats a pretty whacked out claim to make only to see science come to the same conclusion.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

for what it's worth OP...I think David Icke is right about many things...I personally listened to him speak live on 3 occasions. He is a sane man with a couple of weird theories...which I haven't completely discarded.

Time will tell...you usually get credit if any...after you die.

ps. I do think the Royal family is full of shape shifting lizards



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 07:55 AM
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I have not read anything by him for a few years so I have no idea what he is up too these days but I am thinking about having a look.

I think that believing the reptile theory and admittiting it hear automatically discredits every other comment you make.

You might as well log out now


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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

Agreed but the point I was attempting to make is that he did not make a broad claim but highlighted certain individuals in particular.

If these eminent elites came into investigation and were found guilty it would go a long way towards re evalulating his work.
a reply to: Taupin Desciple



No it wouldn't. Peadophilia is a condition, and it's not one that is linked to someone based on what some refer to as their 'class' in life. A person could be a street sweeper or a minister of Parliament and be a peadophile - it's nothing to do with whether you are a 'member of the elite'. The more extraordinary claim would be that no one in government - ever - had been a peadophile, whether a practicing one or otherwise. Statistically that is massively unlikely.

I guess you are basing this thread on recent allegations from an individual that the police have said seem credible? I haven't heard anything about satanic rituals being associated with that particular allegation so again, it doesn't do anything to vindicate Icke.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 08:06 AM
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I think it is too early to tell right now but as I said Icke has been saying for years not just that there are peadohiles in the goverment which would be a pretty odds on bet but there were peadophile ring, highly organised and ritualistic.

The investigations are not just about peodophilia but the killing of children by there groups.

Organised groups of politicians involving peadohilia and killing children? Given the high numbers of secret occult societies these individuals have access to is it completley unreasonable to speculate that there ma be a ritualistic element to this.

As I said earlier my other point was that aside from Jimmy Saville who he was right about he Named two persons in particular both now dead.

If it turns out that these individuals were involved then you would be hard put not to agree that we was right.

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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
That is to some degree my point, when Icke said this was happening he was mocked and ridiculed for making such wild and crazy claims.

If they turn out to be true then you must admit that although even more outlandish one would have to reasess his other claims.

I am looking at this from a critical point and question as opposed to a beleiver point of view by the way.

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As others have pointed out, child abuse at all levels of society globally is not something people disbelieved, the ritualistic satanic orgies were what probably pushed it a bit.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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I agree and believe me I hope he is wrong but peodophilia is not always a sexual thing.

Secret occult societies and many forms of magic use ritualistic sex and sacrifice.

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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
I agree and believe me I hope he is wrong but peodophilia is not always a sexual thing.

Secret occult societies and many forms of magic use ritualistic sex and sacrifice.

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Peadophilia by its definition is a sexual attraction to children, so you can't say 'it's not always a sexual thing' - that's an oxymoron. Your second line may contain elements that Icke has claimed, but to the best of my knowledge none of the allegations you are referring to make any reference of such things at all.
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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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I stand corrected, I will then say that it may not be a case of peadophilia at all.


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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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It has been reported in the Sun today that a politician has given statements to the police concerning 23 politicians, including three peers. The police are also investigating as many as 5 paedophile rings at Westminster. I have no doubt that the police know by now what has gone on but they are struggling to cope with the scale and ramifications of it. There is also the fact that powerful individuals are involved and some lines of enquiry may be difficult to follow. Indeed at some level individuals from the police and security services are involved too.

I think ritual abuse is very real...the why of it I can't say but I believe the children's claims. That is not to say that the paedophiles in Westminster fall into that category but I suspect some do.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 09:31 AM
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There is one thing confuses me about Icke. Since his ideas can be construed as a bit off to many people, why does he keep churning out new books about new material and not focus on validating his previous claims. If he truly believes in reptilians then why not focus all your energy and effort into validating it? I understand new books and materiel means more conferences and more money, but many research scientists find funding to prove theories that many believe to be incorrect. While I am open minded to a lot of ideas, I question to some degree his approach.

Although, I suppose people will believe what they want and there would be little proof that most people would choose to believe anyway. They will just throw the old conspiracy theorist label on it and move on.
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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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I think that believing the reptile theory and admittiting it hear automatically discredits every other comment you make.


If I cared about my "online credibility" even the slightest...I guess I wouldn't be posting what I did.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 09:38 AM
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I imagine it is partly due to going every down the rabbit hole and partly to keep selling books.

My own conspiracy belief and understanding changes over the years.

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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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I'm pretty sure Icke was talking about Jimmy Saville years ago. That turned out true.

I hope the lizard bit isn't true.

Elite peados? That is unfortunatley very true.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
If the politician he claimed was involved would you be prepared to re evaluate his other beliefs based on his assumption being correct.


[imo] Anyone who refuses to reevaluate his other theories in such a scenario is being plain stubborn - not at all useful in the search for truth.

[to clarify something i think some here are confusing: to reevaluate is not the same as 'to believe', but, obviously, to re-examine the evidence, or in this case the hypothesis].

Perhaps he's a stopped clock - just happens to be right twice a day. Or perhaps his intel on this is correct whereas the rest is BS. Or sadly, perhaps his intel on this stems from personal experience one way or another. Who knows? But ignore such 'coincidences' as Ike being right at your peril.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Even a monkey throwing poo hits the target once in a while.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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If he manges to hit a specific person from 10 years ago then he sure is a lucky shot.

Especially if he does it multiple times?

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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
If he manges to hit a specific person from 10 years ago then he sure is a lucky shot.

Especially if he does it multiple times?

a reply to: DrJunk



That's the exact nature of my statement, yes. A monkey throwing poo can even hit a moving target once in a while, doesn't mean he should play for the Yankees.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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So you don't like David Icke then?

Do you apply this to all journalists and authors or just him?

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posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
So you don't like David Icke then?

Do you apply this to all journalists and authors or just him?

a reply to: DrJunk



Oh, let's not call David Icke a journalist please, author okay, but journalist... no.

I reserve this opinion for a few others, Alex Jones is another.




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