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originally posted by: suz62
They're under attack. What did you expect them to say? Everything's fine?
People in this thread have lost their grip on reality. This IS war for them. They are already under attack every day they patrol. Now they're being ambushed by crazies who take the law into their own hands.
WTF does it end? Do you people really want a race war because that's what this is coming down to.
originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: lynxpilot
Well there is nothing new to this. Ask cops how much more federal oversight they have now from state authorities working with federal entities. The states with FEW exceptions do what the federal government says because they want that sweet money flow from DC. Its really unheard of to say no to federal oversight on a state level. The words "cut" and "budget" make everyone play ball.
They say to states "YOU do this and report to me that", but its still a federal baby. Law enforcement has been castrated already by federal oversight. Its just a matter of time for the average officer to be replaced directly by an officer who answers to a federal agency. Their supervisors already have been in one way or another.
I am actually not against a militarized police force. It sounds like all sorts of awful, BUT have you ever met more than a few ex military LEOs? They are the most professional and well trained officers in their PDs. I would take a veteran who has seen some isht and is not going to scare easily or lose his head over civilian crap over some guy who was bullied in school and joined the police force to hold power or to do what ever he wanted.
I can tell you that a soldier is better at peace time interaction with a civilian population than a civilian with all sorts of issues he cant disconnect from while on duty. They are also better public servants having already gotten used to sacrificing for others.
One group handles stress better than the other. One group is used to danger while the other just deals with it.
I say bring it on. I also trust the military over the actual populace of the country with protecting its security in a professional and non interfering way.
Its the solution elitists will offer but its also a solution many other countries have used for some time and has proved to be most beneficial for the people themselves.
I think it would also address the issue of what exactly to do with our way too big military during times of peace.
If you think its not possible for this to happen....I say what ever. Ask around. The federal government is all over law enforcement in our country already. Its the next logical step in the direction we have taken for over a decade now.
But one recent effort stood out for its apparent comprehensiveness: The Killed By Police Facebook page, which aggregates links to news articles on police-related killings and keeps a running tally on the number of victims. The creator of the page does not seek to determine whether police killings are justifiable; each post “merely documents the occurrence of a death.” He told FiveThirtyEight that he was an instructor on nonviolent physical-intervention techniques and that he prefers to remain anonymous.
Killed by Police had listed more than 1,450 deaths caused by law-enforcement officers since its launch, on May 1, 2013, through Sunday. That works out to about three per day, or 1,100 a year.
You think because one is downed, all the rest disappear?
originally posted by: jude11
They have come out and said it. War. This is what many were expecting but to see them actually use the term> Not a good sign.
With the militarization of the police over the last decade it was seen from a long way off. Even other Countries have seen it coming.
The New York Police Department has declared “war” after two officers were killed Saturday in their squad car while taking part in an anti-terrorism drill by a gunmen said to be taking revenge for the death of Eric Garner.
Look at this address link: www.newsmax.com...
This is what you will see in your address bar: "nypd-union-wartime-dept"
Saying “There’s blood on many hands,” the head of the NYPD’s police union, Patrick Lynch, placed much of the blame on the Mayor’s Office and formally asked Mayor Bill de Blasio not to attend the funerals of the slain officers for appearing overly sympathetic to Eric Garner protests.
NOW the Union is calling the shots. Here are their demands. Yes, demands. The police are making their own rules and deciding their own policy. Not our public servants anymore.
In the wake of the shootings, the NYPD’s union New York Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association issued this bulletin showing that the NYPD are most certainly not taking things lightly:
Starting IMMEDIATELY: At least two units are to respond to EVERY call, no matter the condition or severity, no matter what type of job is pending, or what the opinion of the patrol supervisor happens to be.
IN ADDITION: Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest.
These are precautions that were taken in the 1970′s when police officers were ambushed and executed on a regular basis.
The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly. (emphasis added)
"Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest."
What does this mean exactly? Are the cops admitting that they have gone overboard in their use of power or are they going to hold the city hostage and watch it burn down? We'll see.
"Michael Bloomberg did say the NYPD was his own “army” back when he was mayor."
We live in a total police state where a man can lose his life for the cost of a rapid transit train ticket, a movie ticket or selling loose cigarettes on a street corner. In fact, while only 31 officers were shot in the line of duty in 2013, no one even really knows how many people are shot by police in this country each year. Some estimates are as high as 5000 since 9/11.
I for one have no doubt that this is only the beginning. All the speculation and doom porn aside it's actually unfolding before our eyes. I think back when I was a kid and cops were heroes. People for the most part had no problems if they were going about their daily lives. But people are now living in fear and reacting because of that fear.
9/11 was said by many to be the start of the police state, militarization of the beat cops. That it was the plan all along. Yes it has happened so now what can be done to turn it back?
My opinion? Nothing short of a civil war that will end with total destruction of the infrastructure, resources and mass graves. It's what comes after that worries me.
And that will depend on who is the victor.
Don't misunderstand me, because in this case I truly hope I'm wrong.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: SlapMonkey
Both sides need to think about what they are doing. The rule of Mob mentality rarely is productive for anything. There is a major problem with the "Us vs Them" approach that law enforcement has been using for quite sometime now.
For a law enforcement officer to do their job, they have to have the respect and trust of the citizens they are supposed to serve and protect.
originally posted by: suz62
a reply to: YouSir
You insult and offend to make your point. You have zero credibility.
One reason why so many American police shoot first is that so many American civilians are armed.