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I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. LINK
...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."
"What if there were people within the various Churches of God who covertly were guiding the members to slowly accept new ideas which are alien to the true faith and who were dedicated to destroying that faith at all costs?" JESUIT-JEDI MINDTRICKS
originally posted by: DISRAELI
Perhaps it is time to get back to the subject of the thread, following normal Abovetopsecret practice;
That is, free and open discussion confined to the thread topic, as defined by the title and the opening post.
One of the best-known portions of Handel’s Messiah is the aria based on “The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light” (Isaiah ch9 v2), immediately followed by “For unto us a child is born”.
And of course we associate those words with Christmas.
So the promise that “the light will shine” should really be taken with the words that follow.
In other words, the promise is not restricted to the land of Galilee, but belongs to God’s people as a whole.
In fact I would have thought that the progress of associations was the other way round; the church first identified "a child is born" with Christ, and the association of this verse with "the people that walked in darkness" followed necessarily from the organic connection between them in Isaiah ch9.
originally posted by: Necrose
a reply to: DISRAELI
I know, I am always hoping that one day I will stumble upon a believer that will answer those "questions" or elaborate/argue through those paradoxes and stuff.
That day hasn't come yet though and I do not mean to de-rail the thread so I won't post any further.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: windword
However, there is nothing in the Isaiah text, which is the original version of the prophecy, to associate the event with any particular time of year, let alone the solstice.
The Matthew birth story does not specify the time of solstice or any date, as non-Christians are quick to point out when arguing against the date of Christmas.
Nor does his application of "people in darkness" specify any time of year.
Both Isaiah and Matthew are understanding the "darkness" as metaphorical.
Any psychological associations with the time of year have to have come later.
In fact I would have thought that the progress of associations was the other way round; the church first identified "a child is born" with Christ, and the association of this verse with "the people that walked in darkness" followed necessarily from the organic connection between them in Isaiah ch9.
originally posted by: AnuTyr
Oh i believe in God, Just not Jesus. Not my cup of Tea.
This post was nice until the OP tried combining Old Testament with New Testament.
You know that Yahweh is not Jesus Right? And has Zero Connection. The Jews had to make a name just to try to convert Christian into Jews because it lol.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: backcase
Not to mention YHWH = "Behold the Hand, behold the Nail"
(You will have to forgive the maker of the video, he/she forgot Hebrew reads right to left)