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posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 07:04 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
And yet the Russians respect their leader and the US has no respect for their puppe.... I mean leader.


The problem is that in Russia if you are an activist that attempts to expose corruption in office, you may find yourself intimidated and imprisoned. Several journalists have been murdered when they have got too close. With so few people able to contradict the State media's outpourings, the opinion poll just becomes another way to reinforce the message.

The fact you can call Obama a puppet, and get away with it, perhaps shows the difference.

Regards



I would rather be in prison and know where I stand with my country than scratching my head wondering why I can't get a good job, the bank never returns my calls, the police never come when I want to report a crime and the tax collectors want receipts for everything. It may SOUND worse to be in Russia but the truth is the results are the same. I would rather be in prison than asked to leave a coffee shop because my construction work clothes were to close akin to a homeless man. That happened.


LOL. You don't want to be in a Russian prison. They make ours look like Disneyland. I understand you are just trying to use hyperbole to make a point, but you really, really don't mean that or at least you wouldn't if you really knew what they were like.


I grew up in Canada's north. You wouldn't last a day with your precious thin American skin. I relate more with the Russians. Sorry.


First of all, no need to be a rude jackass.

Secondly:
I'm 1/2 Russian and speak it and have been there. You?


I stand corrected, maybe you do have some grit.

You have been to prison in Russia?

As far as being a Jackass, it is a knee jerk reaction that I give to trendy Russia bashing.

Life might seem "easier" in the west but easy doesn't mean squat. There is living good and then there is living easy. Ill take good.

Russians don't seem to mind it there. They are proud of their country where Americans are ignorant of theirs and call it pride. Its like the twilight zone.



No, but I have relatives who have.

Some people in Russia like Putin, some don't. Dissent is much less free than here or Canada, so vocal opposition is very difficult.

Are people there better than under the old Soviet Union (which Putin, an ex-KGB agent admires) ? Certainly. Is the standard of living or freedom better than in the West? Nope, not yet. There is still a separation in classes. If you are part of Putin's circle of approved individuals, you can be quite well off, like the family of my exchange student I recently hosted from the Novosibersk region. If you disagree with Putin, you wake up with your business boarded up and facing criminal charges for "tax evasion."

I think your opinion is based more on extreme dislike for the United States and the west than any real knowledge about Russia.


Forget the US, Even here in Canada I am willing to wager that I put in way more hours at employment than the average Russian does with my same standard of living. 600 sq ft. Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this? Because I disagreed with the status quo that states I must do 12 years of university and pick from a limited number of careers. If I'm not in THAT circle, I am subject to harassment, malnutrition, and confined living space.

You are just personifying inequalities that run rampant in the west and calling it Putin.


So your life is crap in Canada because you didn't get an education or marketable skill and you blame the US? Respectfully, that doesn't make any sense.



There are people that are well off in Russia so you said yourself. They are part of a small circle of fortunate ones. Same goes in the West. It is a small circle but you think it is most people because the rest don't get heard.

I figured you would play that card though, so trick question. Can EVERYONE in the west live in prosperity if they work hard and follow their dreams? Yes or no?







In Russia there are people well off, certainly, but they are the well educated and skilled trades, just like in the west. Just like in the west, in Russia, if you, as you put it, disagree "with the status quo that states I must do 12 years of university and pick from a limited number of careers." You are going to be poor and hungry too.

An IT guy in Russia does very well. An engineer? Very well. A guy without an education or skill who wants to seek his dream of finger painting, not so much.

Yes, in the west a guy can do well if they work hard and follow their dreams. However, it is up to you to make it worthwhile and make a go of it. I know several skilled artists who quit corporate life and followed their dreams and now make a decent living sculpting and painting. The difference between you and they, is they got off their asses, quit blaming everyone else, and worked at it. The same dynamics work in Russia as they do in the West. Nobody is going to pay you squat unless you provide them with something they think has value-- this goes for Putin's favorites as well as to the people he does not like. Putin isn't going to pay you a good living so that you can contemplate your navel--you have to provide him some worth.


So then what do you have against Russia? It is the same as the States. Except without the smoke and mirrors.

Get off my lazy ass? What do you think I do for a living? I should have stopped you back when you were talking about "marketable skills" but I honestly didn't think you would keep on that trip.

And you never answered my question. I made it Yes or No. Or if you like simply say you can't answer. Here it is again:

Can EVERYONE in the west live in prosperity if they work hard and follow their dreams? Yes or no?

Not ANYONE. I said EVERYONE.






I like Russia. After all, I'm 1/2 Russian. She has a long culture and a rich history but has had some really lousy luck at leaders and political systems. The problem is that her leadership is now another megalomaniac with a very corrupt government and hopefully, they'll be able to recover from that.

Okay. Then what are you driveling on about? You said you were poor because you didn't want to play the education game. What else can one infer from that. Okay, what do you do and what is this "dream" you keep on and on abou

Of course everyone in the west can live well...most do. However, it will not be handed to you, like you seem to demand. You have to do something for yourself.




posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
And you never answered my question. I made it Yes or No. Or if you like simply say you can't answer. Here it is again:
Can EVERYONE in the west live in prosperity if they work hard and follow their dreams? Yes or no?
Not ANYONE. I said EVERYONE.

Democracy doesn't promise EVERYONE living in prosperity (like Communism does).
Democracy offers a way for anyone to gain prosperity. Everyone else gets only their basic needs covered.
If you don't want to follow the system, get the education and do the work in demand that gets you the prosperity it isn't Democracy that has failed you, it is simply you deciding that you don't like that deal.
I think you're getting the social contracts between Communism and Democracy mixed up.


Actually it does everyone prosperity. But it is impossible for everyone. If we were all told that we can gain whatever we want but it has to come from someone else's pocket, it might not seem so enchanting. It's like everyone thinks there is a huge pot of free gold and all you have to do is work hard and you will get it. The truth is: look to your left, look to your right, if you want a pot of gold, you have TAKE it from someone else and there isn't enough for everyone. WOW! So advanced, so civilized. Like a bunch monkeys cheering about getting the most bananas out of the tree. Give them some suits, their important now.

People that have taken it never want to admit that it feels so good because others don't have it.


Logical fallacy. Wealth is not a zero sum game. If it was, we'd never left the stone age. Wealth can and is built.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA
If we were all told that we can gain whatever we want but it has to come from someone else's pocket, it might not seem so enchanting. It's like everyone thinks there is a huge pot of free gold and all you have to do is work hard and you will get it. The truth is: look to your left, look to your right, if you want a pot of gold, you have TAKE it from someone else and there isn't enough for everyone. WOW! So advanced, so civilized. Like a bunch monkeys cheering about getting the most bananas out of the tree. Give them some suits, their important now.

People that have taken it never want to admit that it feels so good because others don't have it.


You missed the class about productivity. It's ok, I understand you chose not to invest that time in yourself. Let me quickly explain it for you.

If you design a faster way to do something, like a steam powered cotton weaving machine, then you make more shirts than other people do by hand. You sell more shirts than before and you are more prosperous than before. You didn't have to take your prosperity from anyone. If people don't want your shirts they don't buy them. Through increased productivity you are living the Capitalist dream of prosperity!

It's odd that you would believe we are all fighting for the same bananas over the past 100 years. Have you heard of all the changes in the world over this time? Not really the same bananas right?



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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You understand how our banking system works don't you? I'm not trying to be snarky, the system works based on the fact that your not supposed to know. Here in Canada they say the average Canadian is $35,000 in debt. That sounds like pressure to reduce debt but it's a wolf ticket. If everyone paid back their debt including governments, there would not be a single dollar in circulation. Actually the debt can never be paid back because there is not enough money in circulation to cover the interest owed on. Every dollar in existence is borrowed at interest.

Take a village of 10 people. They need money. Bank gives them each 100 dollars at 5% interest. The bank wants 1050 back and there is only 1000 in the economy. Someone has to give up their farm or something of value for the bank to get its money back.

Inflation is the only thing that stays ahead of interest and our inflation is limited to what the banks see fit before interest rates go up.

Just know that for YOU to do ok for yourself someone else HAS to lose. There is no getting around that. And if your OK with that, fine. Just know that there are people of a seemingly higher quality that will not submit to that. I would rather eat sh't than take from someone else.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
If we were all told that we can gain whatever we want but it has to come from someone else's pocket, it might not seem so enchanting. It's like everyone thinks there is a huge pot of free gold and all you have to do is work hard and you will get it. The truth is: look to your left, look to your right, if you want a pot of gold, you have TAKE it from someone else and there isn't enough for everyone. WOW! So advanced, so civilized. Like a bunch monkeys cheering about getting the most bananas out of the tree. Give them some suits, their important now.

People that have taken it never want to admit that it feels so good because others don't have it.


You missed the class about productivity. It's ok, I understand you chose not to invest that time in yourself. Let me quickly explain it for you.

If you design a faster way to do something, like a steam powered cotton weaving machine, then you make more shirts than other people do by hand. You sell more shirts than before and you are more prosperous than before. You didn't have to take your prosperity from anyone. If people don't want your shirts they don't buy them. Through increased productivity you are living the Capitalist dream of prosperity!

It's odd that you would believe we are all fighting for the same bananas over the past 100 years. Have you heard of all the changes in the world over this time? Not really the same bananas right?


You still want money for the shirts don't you? Since when does cheaper production equal cheaper prices. There are now less jobs due to better production so less money to afford the shirt.

You guys preach that you don't get something for nothing, well there you go.

And of Bananas are a metaphor then yes they are the same bananas.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA
You understand how our banking system works don't you? I'm not trying to be snarky, the system works based on the fact that your not supposed to know. Here in Canada they say the average Canadian is $35,000 in debt. That sounds like pressure to reduce debt but it's a wolf ticket. If everyone paid back their debt including governments, there would not be a single dollar in circulation. Actually the debt can never be paid back because there is not enough money in circulation to cover the interest owed on. Every dollar in existence is borrowed at interest.

Take a village of 10 people. They need money. Bank gives them each 100 dollars at 5% interest. The bank wants 1050 back and there is only 1000 in the economy. Someone has to give up their farm or something of value for the bank to get its money back.

Inflation is the only thing that stays ahead of interest and our inflation is limited to what the banks see fit before interest rates go up.

Just know that for YOU to do ok for yourself someone else HAS to lose. There is no getting around that. And if your OK with that, fine. Just know that there are people of a seemingly higher quality that will not submit to that. I would rather eat sh't than take from someone else.


And, no. You don't understand "wealth" do you.

Listen, if you want to check out and not participate for whatever reason, that's cool and that's your business, but you're really not fooling anyone with the first story about "being rejected" due to not having what you consider the prerequisite education and now you're saying it's more of noble sacrifice (which is it?), but please don't go on an on about how impossible it is to better your position. I've heard these blame everyone else except the real culprit excuses for not doing well and they are all the same and they all boil down to the same character flaw--not taking ownership of one's own responsibility and destiny.

In this thread you've really shown that you know nothing about Russia but just THINK they are better over there because your lot here sucks in some sort of "grass is greener" sort of thing. You've determined that you are going to fail because the "system" is out to get you and honestly, you can move to Russia or wherever and you will still fail because the failure is within yourself, not whatever nation you reside.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Seems like you've given up on the debate and have decided to make the poster the target.

Don't be too proud, you haven't really said all that much worth being proud about.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: DrJunk
a reply to: NavyDoc

Seems like you've given up on the debate and have decided to make the poster the target.

Don't be too proud, you haven't really said all that much worth being proud about.


Thanks. Coming from you that means so much.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
You understand how our banking system works don't you? I'm not trying to be snarky, the system works based on the fact that your not supposed to know. Here in Canada they say the average Canadian is $35,000 in debt. That sounds like pressure to reduce debt but it's a wolf ticket. If everyone paid back their debt including governments, there would not be a single dollar in circulation. Actually the debt can never be paid back because there is not enough money in circulation to cover the interest owed on. Every dollar in existence is borrowed at interest.

Take a village of 10 people. They need money. Bank gives them each 100 dollars at 5% interest. The bank wants 1050 back and there is only 1000 in the economy. Someone has to give up their farm or something of value for the bank to get its money back.

Inflation is the only thing that stays ahead of interest and our inflation is limited to what the banks see fit before interest rates go up.

Just know that for YOU to do ok for yourself someone else HAS to lose. There is no getting around that. And if your OK with that, fine. Just know that there are people of a seemingly higher quality that will not submit to that. I would rather eat sh't than take from someone else.


And, no. You don't understand "wealth" do you.

Listen, if you want to check out and not participate for whatever reason, that's cool and that's your business, but you're really not fooling anyone with the first story about "being rejected" due to not having what you consider the prerequisite education and now you're saying it's more of noble sacrifice (which is it?), but please don't go on an on about how impossible it is to better your position. I've heard these blame everyone else except the real culprit excuses for not doing well and they are all the same and they all boil down to the same character flaw--not taking ownership of one's own responsibility and destiny.

In this thread you've really shown that you know nothing about Russia but just THINK they are better over there because your lot here sucks in some sort of "grass is greener" sort of thing. You've determined that you are going to fail because the "system" is out to get you and honestly, you can move to Russia or wherever and you will still fail because the failure is within yourself, not whatever nation you reside.


Why do you keep obfuscating rather than address my point?

Failing myself? What is with you? Just curious, what do you think I pull in annually? 10-20k? 20-50k? 50-80k? 80-100k? or 100-130k annually?

This might come as a shock to you. I'm doing quite well, with a heavy heart. I see people around me that are no different than me and instead of mocking them, I understand what this game really is and speak for them. I am everyone. Go ahead and make fun of me more for it. Your the one that wont admit the truth.

Why would I move to Russia? I told you I grew up in the north and when I'm ready I will go back. Unfortunately till my child is old enough I can't because I was tricked into a legal contract with my government by signing a birth certificate with a treasury number that states my child is property of the government of Canada and I am only legal guardian. If I do not provide the conditions that the government requires for my child then I must forfeit him to the government. So a trappers cabin above the 50th is out. Funny though, In Russia I have seen documentaries that show families living in those parts living on trapped food in the Taiga. I think that is Serbia, but the government seems to leave them be up there. Here you have to be First Nations to be left alone.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
You understand how our banking system works don't you? I'm not trying to be snarky, the system works based on the fact that your not supposed to know. Here in Canada they say the average Canadian is $35,000 in debt. That sounds like pressure to reduce debt but it's a wolf ticket. If everyone paid back their debt including governments, there would not be a single dollar in circulation. Actually the debt can never be paid back because there is not enough money in circulation to cover the interest owed on. Every dollar in existence is borrowed at interest.

Take a village of 10 people. They need money. Bank gives them each 100 dollars at 5% interest. The bank wants 1050 back and there is only 1000 in the economy. Someone has to give up their farm or something of value for the bank to get its money back.

Inflation is the only thing that stays ahead of interest and our inflation is limited to what the banks see fit before interest rates go up.

Just know that for YOU to do ok for yourself someone else HAS to lose. There is no getting around that. And if your OK with that, fine. Just know that there are people of a seemingly higher quality that will not submit to that. I would rather eat sh't than take from someone else.


And, no. You don't understand "wealth" do you.

Listen, if you want to check out and not participate for whatever reason, that's cool and that's your business, but you're really not fooling anyone with the first story about "being rejected" due to not having what you consider the prerequisite education and now you're saying it's more of noble sacrifice (which is it?), but please don't go on an on about how impossible it is to better your position. I've heard these blame everyone else except the real culprit excuses for not doing well and they are all the same and they all boil down to the same character flaw--not taking ownership of one's own responsibility and destiny.

In this thread you've really shown that you know nothing about Russia but just THINK they are better over there because your lot here sucks in some sort of "grass is greener" sort of thing. You've determined that you are going to fail because the "system" is out to get you and honestly, you can move to Russia or wherever and you will still fail because the failure is within yourself, not whatever nation you reside.


Why do you keep obfuscating rather than address my point?

Failing myself? What is with you? Just curious, what do you think I pull in annually? 10-20k? 20-50k? 50-80k? 80-100k? or 100-130k annually?

This might come as a shock to you. I'm doing quite well, with a heavy heart. I see people around me that are no different than me and instead of mocking them, I understand what this game really is and speak for them. I am everyone. Go ahead and make fun of me more for it. Your the one that wont admit the truth.

Why would I move to Russia? I told you I grew up in the north and when I'm ready I will go back. Unfortunately till my child is old enough I can't because I was tricked into a legal contract with my government by signing a birth certificate with a treasury number that states my child is property of the government of Canada and I am only legal guardian. If I do not provide the conditions that the government requires for my child then I must forfeit him to the government. So a trappers cabin above the 50th is out. Funny though, In Russia I have seen documentaries that show families living in those parts living on trapped food in the Taiga. I think that is Serbia, but the government seems to leave them be up there. Here you have to be First Nations to be left alone.


Okay. First of all, let's set the record straight that YOU brought your OWN personal life situation into the conversation by using how crappy things are where you are to state that things must be better in Russia. I didn't bring it up, but have simply been addressing point you were making.

With that said, I'm a bit confused. You said this:


I would rather be in prison and know where I stand with my country than scratching my head wondering why I can't get a good job, the bank never returns my calls, the police never come when I want to report a crime and the tax collectors want receipts for everything


and this:


Even here in Canada I am willing to wager that I put in way more hours at employment than the average Russian does with my same standard of living. 600 sq ft. Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?


You said that, of course one is going to assume that you have a lousy life and is unhappy with it. You said you put in 220 hours a month for shat food, discount clothing, and a 600 sq foot living space. Now you state "I am doing quite well." Which is it? Can you understand why someone looks at you as a person with a bit of an irrational position?

As for addressing your point, I have repeatedly. You seem to think your "shat food" is evidence that the West is bad, I I rebutted with the fact that it is very likely the aforementioned irrationality and hostility that is the cause of your problems (although now you contradict yourself who knows what your life is really like) rather than some sort of corrupt system. You said, " Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?" and now you claim that you are doing quite well and just are "speaking for the downtrodden? I'm certain you can see how disingenuous that looks. Who can believe what coming form someone who changes his story so often?

Certainly people live out in the tundra in Russia and nobody bothers them because it is so remote. People do the exact same thing in remote areas of the U.S. It's called "going off the grid," and is certainly a lifestyle choice that appeals to the "rugged individualist" traditions and philosophy of many Americans.

Oh, you've seen "documentaries." Well, that makes you an expert on Russia, having seen documentaries about it.

By the way, It's Siberia. Serbia is a small nation in the Balkans. You might have seen it in the news about 15 or so years ago.
edit on 23-12-2014 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
You understand how our banking system works don't you? I'm not trying to be snarky, the system works based on the fact that your not supposed to know. Here in Canada they say the average Canadian is $35,000 in debt. That sounds like pressure to reduce debt but it's a wolf ticket. If everyone paid back their debt including governments, there would not be a single dollar in circulation. Actually the debt can never be paid back because there is not enough money in circulation to cover the interest owed on. Every dollar in existence is borrowed at interest.

Take a village of 10 people. They need money. Bank gives them each 100 dollars at 5% interest. The bank wants 1050 back and there is only 1000 in the economy. Someone has to give up their farm or something of value for the bank to get its money back.

Inflation is the only thing that stays ahead of interest and our inflation is limited to what the banks see fit before interest rates go up.

Just know that for YOU to do ok for yourself someone else HAS to lose. There is no getting around that. And if your OK with that, fine. Just know that there are people of a seemingly higher quality that will not submit to that. I would rather eat sh't than take from someone else.


And, no. You don't understand "wealth" do you.

Listen, if you want to check out and not participate for whatever reason, that's cool and that's your business, but you're really not fooling anyone with the first story about "being rejected" due to not having what you consider the prerequisite education and now you're saying it's more of noble sacrifice (which is it?), but please don't go on an on about how impossible it is to better your position. I've heard these blame everyone else except the real culprit excuses for not doing well and they are all the same and they all boil down to the same character flaw--not taking ownership of one's own responsibility and destiny.

In this thread you've really shown that you know nothing about Russia but just THINK they are better over there because your lot here sucks in some sort of "grass is greener" sort of thing. You've determined that you are going to fail because the "system" is out to get you and honestly, you can move to Russia or wherever and you will still fail because the failure is within yourself, not whatever nation you reside.


Why do you keep obfuscating rather than address my point?

Failing myself? What is with you? Just curious, what do you think I pull in annually? 10-20k? 20-50k? 50-80k? 80-100k? or 100-130k annually?

This might come as a shock to you. I'm doing quite well, with a heavy heart. I see people around me that are no different than me and instead of mocking them, I understand what this game really is and speak for them. I am everyone. Go ahead and make fun of me more for it. Your the one that wont admit the truth.

Why would I move to Russia? I told you I grew up in the north and when I'm ready I will go back. Unfortunately till my child is old enough I can't because I was tricked into a legal contract with my government by signing a birth certificate with a treasury number that states my child is property of the government of Canada and I am only legal guardian. If I do not provide the conditions that the government requires for my child then I must forfeit him to the government. So a trappers cabin above the 50th is out. Funny though, In Russia I have seen documentaries that show families living in those parts living on trapped food in the Taiga. I think that is Serbia, but the government seems to leave them be up there. Here you have to be First Nations to be left alone.


Okay. First of all, let's set the record straight that YOU brought your OWN personal life situation into the conversation by using how crappy things are where you are to state that things must be better in Russia. I didn't bring it up, but have simply been addressing point you were making.

With that said, I'm a bit confused. You said this:


I would rather be in prison and know where I stand with my country than scratching my head wondering why I can't get a good job, the bank never returns my calls, the police never come when I want to report a crime and the tax collectors want receipts for everything


and this:


Even here in Canada I am willing to wager that I put in way more hours at employment than the average Russian does with my same standard of living. 600 sq ft. Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?


You said that, of course one is going to assume that you have a lousy life and is unhappy with it. You said you put in 220 hours a month for shat food, discount clothing, and a 600 sq foot living space. Now you state "I am doing quite well." Which is it? Can you understand why someone looks at you as a person with a bit of an irrational position?

As for addressing your point, I have repeatedly. You seem to think your "shat food" is evidence that the West is bad, I I rebutted with the fact that it is very likely the aforementioned irrationality and hostility that is the cause of your problems (although now you contradict yourself who knows what your life is really like) rather than some sort of corrupt system. You said, " Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?" and now you claim that you are doing quite well and just are "speaking for the downtrodden? I'm certain you can see how disingenuous that looks. Who can believe what coming form someone who changes his story so often?

Certainly people live out in the tundra in Russia and nobody bothers them because it is so remote. People do the exact same thing in remote areas of the U.S. It's called "going off the grid," and is certainly a lifestyle choice that appeals to the "rugged individualist" traditions and philosophy of many Americans.

Oh, you've seen "documentaries." Well, that makes you an expert on Russia, having seen documentaries about it.

By the way, It's Siberia. Serbia is a small nation in the Balkans. You might have seen it in the news about 15 or so years ago.


I have a bleeding heart Doc! I speak for others and you keep dragging me into it. Those criteria's I mentioned are real, but not mine. They are what people I know and care about have to go through. You call it disingenuous, I call it speaking from a wider perspective. What does it benefit you to tie me to a certain demographic? You almost proved my point. I tell you I make more money now suddenly your asking questions rather than doling out life lessons.

You can not take your child off the grid in Canada. Maybe in the US...

My bad on the Siberia slip up. Thanks for the correction.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA


I have a bleeding heart Doc! I speak for others and you keep dragging me into it. Those criteria's I mentioned are real, but not mine. They are what people I know and care about have to go through. You call it disingenuous, I call it speaking from a wider perspective. What does it benefit you to tie me to a certain demographic? You almost proved my point. I tell you I make more money now suddenly your asking questions rather than doling out life lessons.

You can not take your child off the grid in Canada. Maybe in the US...

My bad on the Siberia slip up. Thanks for the correction.


One can only go by what you said and, " Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?" "I", "Me" "I". Not so "many people I feel bad for," but "I." Now the story changes, so of course that leads to more questions and doubt of one's veracity. I'd think that obvious to the casual observer. Saying falsehood is not about "having perspective" it is saying a falsehood. I didn't "drag you into it." You thrust yourself into it.


Yes, it is legal to home school in the US so you can take your kids off he grid absent some sort of custody agreement with a divorced spouse. If it is part of a custody agreement, it really isn't part of an evil system but laws that ensure that both parents have their rights to see their child kept.

As for your childcare woes, let's set aside that there are indeed families with small children living in austere conditions in Canada's north country. You do realize that Russia has very similar rules too, yes? In Russia children go to school and are away frrm home 12 hours per day with everything from before class to after class activities at the school or sponsored by the school and all part of the state. If you think Canada is too much involved with your child's life, you really, really, really, would hate Russia.

Sadly enough, many problems are universal.
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posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 02:18 PM
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Or possibly you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt unless proven innocent, which is nearly impossible to do unless you have gobs of money to pay for a lawyer who knows how to grease the system and whom values your money more than the other guys.
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posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: noeltrotsky

I have said this to many people time and time again. Russia is not a democracy. It never will be either. After the the Soviet Union was dissolved the first sign of democracy led to people rioting and burning parts of Moscow down. It led to an attempted coup even by it's own special forces being used against it's government's leader. This was a clear sign to the elite that took over that democracy was not suitable for Russia in Western terms.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: Flint2011
a reply to: noeltrotsky

I have said this to many people time and time again. Russia is not a democracy. It never will be either. After the the Soviet Union was dissolved the first sign of democracy led to people rioting and burning parts of Moscow down. It led to an attempted coup even by it's own special forces being used against it's government's leader. This was a clear sign to the elite that took over that democracy was not suitable for Russia in Western terms.


Sadly, you may have a point. Thousands of years of rule by Tsars, then almost a century of rule by communist dictators, and now oligarchical rule by former communists who use the same old techniques. It is as if the Russian people have never experienced democracy so they may find the idea a poor fit or not understand how to properly establish and maintain it. In the Soviet Union, you could bribe a cop to get out of a traffic ticket, in Russia, you can bribe a cop to get out of traffic ticket--corruption is almost expected at many levels of government and it may be a case of cultural change being difficult. Although I disagree with "never," it would be difficult in a culture that have never really had it.
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posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA


I have a bleeding heart Doc! I speak for others and you keep dragging me into it. Those criteria's I mentioned are real, but not mine. They are what people I know and care about have to go through. You call it disingenuous, I call it speaking from a wider perspective. What does it benefit you to tie me to a certain demographic? You almost proved my point. I tell you I make more money now suddenly your asking questions rather than doling out life lessons.

You can not take your child off the grid in Canada. Maybe in the US...

My bad on the Siberia slip up. Thanks for the correction.


One can only go by what you said and, " Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?" "I", "Me" "I". Not so "many people I feel bad for," but "I." Now the story changes, so of course that leads to more questions and doubt of one's veracity. I'd think that obvious to the casual observer. Saying falsehood is not about "having perspective" it is saying a falsehood.


Yes, it is legal to home school in the US so you can take your kids off he grid absent some sort of custody agreement with a divorced spouse. If it is part of a custody agreement, it really isn't part of an evil system but laws that ensure that both parents have their rights to see their child kept.

As for your childcare woes, let's set aside that there are indeed families with small children living in austere conditions in Canada's north country. You do realize that Russia has very similar rules too, yes? In Russia children go to school and are away frrm home 12 hours per day with everything from before class to after class activities at the school or sponsored by the school and all part of the state. If you think Canada is too much involved with your child's life, you really, really, really, would hate Russia.

Sadly enough, many problems are universal.


I would have happily stayed on the position of the working poor but you kept digging at the choices I made and how it is MY fault we live under such rampant inequality. Now your talking about divorce and my child woes...

Forget it.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA


I have a bleeding heart Doc! I speak for others and you keep dragging me into it. Those criteria's I mentioned are real, but not mine. They are what people I know and care about have to go through. You call it disingenuous, I call it speaking from a wider perspective. What does it benefit you to tie me to a certain demographic? You almost proved my point. I tell you I make more money now suddenly your asking questions rather than doling out life lessons.

You can not take your child off the grid in Canada. Maybe in the US...

My bad on the Siberia slip up. Thanks for the correction.


One can only go by what you said and, " Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?" "I", "Me" "I". Not so "many people I feel bad for," but "I." Now the story changes, so of course that leads to more questions and doubt of one's veracity. I'd think that obvious to the casual observer. Saying falsehood is not about "having perspective" it is saying a falsehood.


Yes, it is legal to home school in the US so you can take your kids off he grid absent some sort of custody agreement with a divorced spouse. If it is part of a custody agreement, it really isn't part of an evil system but laws that ensure that both parents have their rights to see their child kept.

As for your childcare woes, let's set aside that there are indeed families with small children living in austere conditions in Canada's north country. You do realize that Russia has very similar rules too, yes? In Russia children go to school and are away frrm home 12 hours per day with everything from before class to after class activities at the school or sponsored by the school and all part of the state. If you think Canada is too much involved with your child's life, you really, really, really, would hate Russia.

Sadly enough, many problems are universal.


I would have happily stayed on the position of the working poor but you kept digging at the choices I made and how it is MY fault we live under such rampant inequality. Now your talking about divorce and my child woes...

Forget it.


LOL. Are you insane? YOU. BROUGHT. THEM. UP. Now you just said it was a divorce problem (which you haven't said before) which, yet again, is not the fault of the government or the west and would be no better in Russia. I'm sorry that you've got custody issues that keep you from moving to the arctic circle, but again, that is a personal problem and is not a fault of Canada and it would be the same in Russia

I never said that it is your fault we live under rampant inequality, I said it is your fault that you are unhappy and it is your fault that you are divorced--not mine, not Canada's, not capitalism, not the bankers, not Russia's--yours and your ex-wife's. You can't move off the grid because Canada wants to control your life and child, you can't move off the grid because you've got a divorce and a custody agreement. That's how it works.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA


I have a bleeding heart Doc! I speak for others and you keep dragging me into it. Those criteria's I mentioned are real, but not mine. They are what people I know and care about have to go through. You call it disingenuous, I call it speaking from a wider perspective. What does it benefit you to tie me to a certain demographic? You almost proved my point. I tell you I make more money now suddenly your asking questions rather than doling out life lessons.

You can not take your child off the grid in Canada. Maybe in the US...

My bad on the Siberia slip up. Thanks for the correction.


One can only go by what you said and, " Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?" "I", "Me" "I". Not so "many people I feel bad for," but "I." Now the story changes, so of course that leads to more questions and doubt of one's veracity. I'd think that obvious to the casual observer. Saying falsehood is not about "having perspective" it is saying a falsehood.


Yes, it is legal to home school in the US so you can take your kids off he grid absent some sort of custody agreement with a divorced spouse. If it is part of a custody agreement, it really isn't part of an evil system but laws that ensure that both parents have their rights to see their child kept.

As for your childcare woes, let's set aside that there are indeed families with small children living in austere conditions in Canada's north country. You do realize that Russia has very similar rules too, yes? In Russia children go to school and are away frrm home 12 hours per day with everything from before class to after class activities at the school or sponsored by the school and all part of the state. If you think Canada is too much involved with your child's life, you really, really, really, would hate Russia.

Sadly enough, many problems are universal.


I would have happily stayed on the position of the working poor but you kept digging at the choices I made and how it is MY fault we live under such rampant inequality. Now your talking about divorce and my child woes...

Forget it.


LOL. Are you insane? YOU. BROUGHT. THEM. UP. Now you just said it was a divorce problem (which you haven't said before) which, yet again, is not the fault of the government or the west and would be no better in Russia. I'm sorry that you've got custody issues that keep you from moving to the arctic circle, but again, that is a personal problem and is not a fault of Canada and it would be the same in Russia

I never said that it is your fault we live under rampant inequality, I said it is your fault that you are unhappy and it is your fault that you are divorced--not mine, not Canada's, not capitalism, not the bankers, not Russia's--yours and your ex-wife's. You can't move off the grid because Canada wants to control your life and child, you can't move off the grid because you've got a divorce and a custody agreement. That's how it works.


What custody issues!! I'M INSANE??? Your just making things up now. I said signing a birth certificate gives the government rights to the child. Every single Canadian signed the same damn thing and your singling ME out.

And yes you did say it was my fault. If I "got off my lazy ass" I believe is how you put it.

What you don't admit:

There is no difference between Russia and the States. I don't care how you colour it, the results are the same.

The current banking system DEMANDS that most must be in debt for others to live wealthy.

You Can not take a child off the grid when you have signed a birth certificate and you are not a First Nations. Home schooling is not "off the grid" and now I wonder if even know what it means.

Putin is no different than American "society" only difference he actually answers questions and can make decisions. He is a leader, where US politicians are salesmen that sell for banks and corporations who really run the country.

EVERYONE CANNOT achieve success. If that were true there would be no one to whip up your low fat latte and clean your floors. You depend on slavery.

I am NOT divorced.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MALBOSIA


I have a bleeding heart Doc! I speak for others and you keep dragging me into it. Those criteria's I mentioned are real, but not mine. They are what people I know and care about have to go through. You call it disingenuous, I call it speaking from a wider perspective. What does it benefit you to tie me to a certain demographic? You almost proved my point. I tell you I make more money now suddenly your asking questions rather than doling out life lessons.

You can not take your child off the grid in Canada. Maybe in the US...

My bad on the Siberia slip up. Thanks for the correction.


One can only go by what you said and, " Shat food, and discount clothing. I put in over 220 hours a month for THAT. You know why I live like this?" "I", "Me" "I". Not so "many people I feel bad for," but "I." Now the story changes, so of course that leads to more questions and doubt of one's veracity. I'd think that obvious to the casual observer. Saying falsehood is not about "having perspective" it is saying a falsehood.


Yes, it is legal to home school in the US so you can take your kids off he grid absent some sort of custody agreement with a divorced spouse. If it is part of a custody agreement, it really isn't part of an evil system but laws that ensure that both parents have their rights to see their child kept.

As for your childcare woes, let's set aside that there are indeed families with small children living in austere conditions in Canada's north country. You do realize that Russia has very similar rules too, yes? In Russia children go to school and are away frrm home 12 hours per day with everything from before class to after class activities at the school or sponsored by the school and all part of the state. If you think Canada is too much involved with your child's life, you really, really, really, would hate Russia.

Sadly enough, many problems are universal.


I would have happily stayed on the position of the working poor but you kept digging at the choices I made and how it is MY fault we live under such rampant inequality. Now your talking about divorce and my child woes...

Forget it.


LOL. Are you insane? YOU. BROUGHT. THEM. UP. Now you just said it was a divorce problem (which you haven't said before) which, yet again, is not the fault of the government or the west and would be no better in Russia. I'm sorry that you've got custody issues that keep you from moving to the arctic circle, but again, that is a personal problem and is not a fault of Canada and it would be the same in Russia

I never said that it is your fault we live under rampant inequality, I said it is your fault that you are unhappy and it is your fault that you are divorced--not mine, not Canada's, not capitalism, not the bankers, not Russia's--yours and your ex-wife's. You can't move off the grid because Canada wants to control your life and child, you can't move off the grid because you've got a divorce and a custody agreement. That's how it works.


What custody issues!! I'M INSANE??? Your just making things up now. I said signing a birth certificate gives the government rights to the child. Every single Canadian signed the same damn thing and your singling ME out.

And yes you did say it was my fault. If I "got off my lazy ass" I believe is how you put it.

What you don't admit:

There is no difference between Russia and the States. I don't care how you colour it, the results are the same.

The current banking system DEMANDS that most must be in debt for others to live wealthy.

You Can not take a child off the grid when you have signed a birth certificate and you are not a First Nations. Home schooling is not "off the grid" and now I wonder if even know what it means.

Putin is no different than American "society" only difference he actually answers questions and can make decisions. He is a leader, where US politicians are salesmen that sell for banks and corporations who really run the country.

EVERYONE CANNOT achieve success. If that were true there would be no one to whip up your low fat latte and clean your floors. You depend on slavery.

I am NOT divorced.



But you said this:


Now your talking about divorce and my child woes..


Are you bonkers or are you just trying to troll?

Here's a hint. If you don't want people addressing your abysmal personal life and situation, stop bringing them up in the discussion as examples that you think support your point. Otherwise, they are as fair game as discussing any other example that people use to prove their point.

Of course there are differences between the US and Russia. The US has more economic and social freedom. The US does not have anti-gay laws like Russia has. Dissent is not squashed in the US as it is in Russia. The US does not have the multi-layered levels of corruption that Russia has, largely a hold over form the former Soviet Union.

Does the US have problems? Most certainly. Is it the great Satan? Hardly.

And yes, the only one keeping you back is you.
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posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 04:01 PM
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this was the first mention of divorce and it was by YOU!




Yes, it is legal to home school in the US so you can take your kids off he grid absent some sort of custody agreement with a divorced spouse. If it is part of a custody agreement, it really isn't part of an evil system but laws that ensure that both parents have their rights to see their child kept. 


And fine, if what we post is fair game for attack then I have to point to your avatar that suggests your in the Navy.... Noe I guess I don't have to wonder why your not getting it and are completely brainwashed. It's part of the job right?




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