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Locating the Abyss of Quantum Mechanics - Unfathomable Depth of the Deceiver in the Waters Below

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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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This thread seeks to locate the abyss named in the book of Revelation. Before showing what I think the Abyss is, I will outline the many references we have to this dimensional abode of the deep.

From the OT, we have the word tehom, which means deep. Examples fo all uses...

We first find the Deep mentioned as the Ruach Elohim (Spirit) hovers over the face / surface of the deep. Considering that time/space are one thing, it might be possible to tag time to eternity as the high state of order with low entropy of the early universe. Connected to this, water and hydrogen go hand in hand.

We next find this word in Genesis 7 as the great deep burst open, noting that the waters of the deep burst forth. As 1 Peter 3 states, a parallel to baptism can be seen in the flood of waters. By this simple connection, we can easily establish that the involution of life / spirit into the waters of the deep occurred when the foundations of the deep were opened. Water carries a greater significance than the simple allegory used to outline Noah and the Ark. The Bible speaks of a greater mystery through the simplicity of the story of beasts in the water. By this flood / baptism of water, we are saved. The waters themselves do not save us. The cleansing of the waters comprising the image of Heaven distills impurity.

Proverbs 3

19 By wisdom the Lord laid the earth’s foundations,
by understanding he set the heavens in place;
20 by his knowledge the watery depths were divided,
and the clouds let drop the dew.

If you read all the uses of the word Tehom, you will find several allusions to this same idea of Dew coming from the depths of the ocean and sea. Dew is always associated with the involution of life. Dew hits the ground, which is an allusion to a person's life (baptism into the water). From this, the sun then rises and distills the dew as it evaporates. Here is a simple key verse from Isaiah showing this metaphor as it extends to the waters from the depths.

Isaiah 26

19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.

Proverbs 8 (Speaking of Wisdom)

“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.

Of course, this verse set from Proverbs 8 speaks of wisdom coming forth before the depths were established. The Gnostics would consider this the feminine Sophia.

Isaiah 51:10

10 Was it not you who dried up the sea,
the waters of the great deep,
who made a road in the depths of the sea
so that the redeemed might cross over?

I have learned that Biblical symbolism is most often mirroring the physics of creation within the stories that we know. Here, the writer is comparing the gateway leading life across the void to that of the story of the exodus from Egypt. Drying up the sea is moving the nation across the wilderness. As water is symbolism for life in the sea (nations), a dried up sea represents the exodus across the void. Between the image of creation here and the true reality, we exit one for the promise of the next.

Amos 7

4 This is what the Sovereign Lord showed me: The Sovereign Lord was calling for judgment by fire; it dried up the great deep and devoured the land. 5 Then I cried out, “Sovereign Lord, I beg you, stop! How can Jacob survive? He is so small!”

In each example we've looked at, water is the key to the depths.

Jonah 2

5 The engulfing waters threatened me,
the deep surrounded me;
seaweed was wrapped around my head.
6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down;
the earth beneath barred me in forever.
But you, Lord my God,
brought my life up from the pit.

Again, we have the dual reference to the deep water and the pit.

Habakkuk 3

8 Were you angry with the rivers, Lord?
Was your wrath against the streams?
Did you rage against the sea
when you rode your horses
and your chariots to victory?
9 You uncovered your bow,
you called for many arrows.
You split the earth with rivers;
10 the mountains saw you and writhed.
Torrents of water swept by;
the deep roared
and lifted its waves on high.

Again, water is the reference here in the very last book to carry the word Tehom. From here, we move to the New Testament.

The New Testament word for Abyss is Abussos. In relation to the water mentioned so often in the Old Testament, will we find water again referenced in connection with the NT word for Abyss?

Luke 8

30 Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. 31 And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

32 A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs, and he gave them permission. 33 When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.

Here, a demon named Legion is sent to the waters and drowned. The fear was being sent to the abyss. Is the water here the abyss? This is left unsaid, but from the other references in the OT, we see a similar pattern.

Romans 10

5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”[a] 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’”[c] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).

Here, water is again referenced indirectly. [c] above is a reference to Deuteronomy 30:13 - Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

Crossing the sea is crossing through a nation as a person, or involution of the water (like Dew). Descending to the depths of the Abyss is descending to the lower realm of water. As the picture begins to emerge in this, a very easy answer shines for us to see.

Revelation 9

9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

In this reference, we have the foundation laid for the locust emerging on the scene to torture humanity.

Continuing with Revelation 9

11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

Here, the ruler of the abyss is Abaddon, or Father of Adon. Apollyon is his name in Greek, or the destroying Angel.

Revelation 11

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

Continued in next post.


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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:20 PM
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them piggies were time travelling to the future. i mean to now. The abyss is now but really tomorrow.
The secret is in them numbers that have no square root. Some say they just go on and on but others serch for the end.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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Continued...

Revelation 17

8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

I believe the beast as a possibly reference to Yahweh. He was, is not now and will come. As the true Messiah comes, so must the beast come again to accuse the Son of God. Just as he did with Adam / Israel in the Old Testament, the destroyer and accuser will team up together in the end.

Compare this to Jesus, who was, is and is to come. Yahweh was never mentioned in the New Testament. Other than being referenced as Lord, he was not there to accuse and destroy Israel in NT times. He was, is not and is to come. Can we expect him to come back to deceive the nations once again with the Satan he made? As I believe Yahweh to be an aspect of the mind of man, I do not see him as an actual entity. Satan is the accuser of man, and may very well be another aspect of our conscience.

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

Again, the beast to come is likely the one that made Satan. Genesis 3 informs us that Yahweh made Satan as an accuser of mankind. This deception of the nations is tied to the Abaddon character and to Satan. Torment of the nations is from the Abyss, or waters. Man descended into the flood of baptism when the image was divided by Yahweh.

As we begin to connect the dots, we see the significance of Time/Space.

Spatial dimensions are 1D, 2D and 3D. Once you move beyond the material world below, time is then the movement of the lower dimensions (Abyss). Central to this is water / hydrogen cycle and the Strong / Weak Nuclear force. The Abyss is the lower realm of matter / time. Above, consciousness crosses over from the higher dimensions. The depths is the surface of the deep between. Compare this to the Dirac Relativistic Quantum Wave Equation, where matter and antimatter collide to create the event horizon between each dimensional space.

Where does Yahweh figure into this Abyss idea? To know, research the Demiurge and the shadow creation of the image. Connecting this forward, see that Adam was formed by Yahweh, then divided. Satan then entered in to deceive Eve. From this, the flood destroys the first work of Yahweh. The second order of creation then uses the water to bring Adam across the waters to the other side. Tied to this, the exodus across the wilderness desert is devoid of water, then crosses the divided waters. Beyond the wilderness, the promised land flowing with milk and honey.

All of this is symbolism for the process to use the waters of the lower dimensions to raise us back to the upper waters. Currently, you are between as a dweller on the threshold. In this, consider that the deeper you go into the waters, the less light penetrates. Below, bio-luminescence expands inside the creatures of light. Light dispels darkness, even in the deepest depths of the abyss. As above, so below. Let your light shine in the this dark hour of the night.




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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: AlephBet

Pretty sure the word, and concept, Abyss was stolen from the Sumerian word Abzu.

Start there.



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 03:44 AM
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a reply to: AlephBet

I thought that Tartarus - the abyss where the fallen watchers are imprisoned - was located in the desert?



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: LightAssassin
a reply to: AlephBet

Pretty sure the word, and concept, Abyss was stolen from the Sumerian word Abzu.

Start there.
I think that was actually a description of the pits (subterranean stadia) of the Zanzummin Rephaim.



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 03:55 AM
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a reply to: AlephBet

Firstly, the Abyss, in the biblical sense, is spiritual, so, in a spiritual realm, and therefore can not be found by mere humans such as us. You are searching for something that can not be found by us. It is like searching for the Throne of Judgement, or the Throne of Reword. When still living, those aspects of the spiritual realms is not open to us.


Here, a demon named Legion is sent to the waters and drowned. The fear was being sent to the abyss.


It was not "a demon", the verse you quoted actually says "many demons". Make sure you do not make this big of an error, ignoring what the verse is saying.

And the waters was not the abyss, the pigs was a way to escape. For if the pigs die, they are free to escape from Yeshua.
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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: AlephBet
There is a source of all that is. What is seen is like the ripples and waves on top of an ocean. On the face of the water there is movement - it might appear to be like a movie on a cinema screen. If one is watching the moving face (on the water/screen) one might forget that one is just watching and might feel oneself being moved about by the waves - one might be caught up in the waving.
If one drops down DEEP into the ocean of water, one will find one is the ocean (all the waves are made of the ocean) - one can see the waves waving but one has stopped being troubled by them because one has realized that one is source and sum of all waves.
It is only the surface that is being seen, that which is appearing comes from the source - it just bubbles up, appears and is changing shape constantly. What knows this?



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 04:28 AM
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a reply to: IndependentAgent
Demons will be drowned if they enter the DEEP. There is nothing 'individual' in the one ocean - waving is happening that is all.
Who wants to die in the one ocean?
The rain drop forgets it is made of the same stuff as the ocean just as the wave struggles to be separate from it so it can appear to have a separate life.
All the while the wave fights for it's life it suffers from the fear of not being - not realizing that it is the ocean waving.


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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 04:39 AM
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a reply to: AlephBet

I admire your points but the biggest problem you seem to have to me is that the original temple had Yahweh , part of the jewish pantheon and partnered with Ashteroth (and other versions of her name. In fact its the head on the poles that were dotted around the dessert that were a tribute to her. She was also worshipped in the temple. So where you suddenly make him into the only god has a abyss to cross because you can't get past what the archaelogists have dug up and found that the ancients used.

Water carries memory its not stored in box or glad within the body, it links to the emotions and smell activates it immediately so our bodily chemicals are involved. Perhaps there are a number of abysses we need to accommodate within our thinking and the body is one of them and how it quantumly works on our psyche's and the vulnerabilities this throws us open to.

We know there is now a sea below the actual sea and the sumerian texts talk of gods coming out of the sea and going back after teaching them each night into the sea.

I have always thought that noah's ark was more likely to be a ship capable of travel even though space and that it carried the essences of life. To contemplace getting some of those huge beasts two by two onto it and keeping them safe, fed, exercised and ready to put back once the waters went down - if they did - is too stupid a tale except for little children. There is an awful lot in your points you raise, but unless you link them past the writings of the bible, which are not original and have been interpretated and hold mistakes etc I suspect you are in a world created by the scribes which suited their purposes and may well not reflect the original thoughts being conveyed. You also need to take into account what the jews learned in babylon which they decided to incorporate into their own history - which we know they manipulated as indeed genesis shows this when you compare the role of the serpent in the bible to the one in Adapa and the Serpent, where the serpent helps man against the ordering god, which is the original but did not favour the scribes point of view.



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 06:58 AM
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All of this is symbolism for the process to use the waters of the lower dimensions to raise us back to the upper waters.


This is exactly what I have come to understand. One must learn to make them the same. As above so below.





bio-luminescence expands inside the creatures of light. Light dispels darkness, even in the deepest depths of the abyss. As above, so below. Let your light shine in the this dark hour of the night.



There is as much light in the darkness as ones imagination can muster... What that light appears to reveal, is actually a projection or reflection of ones true identity. Loose sight of this truth in the darkness and a dream can become a nightmare. If you don't define the moment, it will define you.

Where is the abyss located?

It's everywhere. The space within and between all things upon discovery within the self is nothing less than a bottomless pit. Realising this seemingly empty space is as much a part of you as the physical body today is known as the dark night of the soul.







www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: LightAssassin

Yes. I think anything Bible related will originate with Sumerian, Babylonian or Egyptian Priests and the fallen beings / angels from various sources. Likely, the entire Bible story is straight from the mosaic of those stories. It is clear that Moses made a mosaic. Mos means bit, as in a bit of information thrown into an overall picture. The stories of Enoch relate to the Sumerian stories, as does the account of Genesis 6 and Jude 1. The Bible provides us the best clues. As the WIKI below points out, the Abzu is again related to water.

WIKI: The Abzu (Cuneiform: 𒍪 𒀊, ZU.AB; Sumerian: abzu; Akkadian: apsû) also called engur, (Cuneiform:𒇉, LAGAB×HAL; Sumerian: engur; Akkadian: engurru) literally, ab='water' (or 'semen') zu='to know' or 'deep' was the name for fresh water from underground aquifers that was given a religious fertilizing quality in Sumerian and Akkadian mythology. Lakes, springs, rivers, wells, and other sources of fresh water were thought to draw their water from the abzu.

---My own description from the Bible was then related to baptism.

WIKI: In the city Eridu, Enki's temple was known as E2-abzu (house of the cosmic waters) and was located at the edge of a swamp, an abzu.[1] Certain tanks of holy water in Babylonian and Assyrian temple courtyards were also called abzu (apsû).[2] Typical in religious washing, these tanks were similar to the washing pools of Islamic mosques, or the baptismal font in Christian churches.

---Can we relate this to the Catholic headdress (MITRE) or the Fish of the Vesica Pisces? Can we relate this to Sibyl's and David and the chant of the Grigori (Watchers) in the Dies Irea?

1. Day of wrath and doom impending,
David's word with Sibyl's blending,
Heaven and earth in ashes ending!

WIKI: The Sumerian god Enki (Ea in the Akkadian language) was believed to have lived in the abzu since before human beings were created. His wife Damgalnuna, his mother Nammu, his advisor Isimud and a variety of subservient creatures, such as the gatekeeper Lahmu, also lived in the abzu.

Here is the connection to Cybil and David: Grigori and the Watchers Chant / Sybil



Sybil's headdress is the same as that of the Dagown of the Catholics (Dragon).

Check this Link

More and more, the Bible continues to show itself as both the deception and the truth that sets us free from it. It serves many purposes.


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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: AlephBet

I thought that Tartarus - the abyss where the fallen watchers are imprisoned - was located in the desert?



According to Enoch, the watchers were locked in darkness in the low places of the Earth. Temples were set on high places. What are the lowest places you know on Earth? Under water. I don't think this is entirely what it means. I believe it is referring to dimensions rather than actual valleys. According to legends, demons search for moist places and are always crying for water. Water is the key to life and also the process used to dry up the mummy when placed into the tomb. It's interesting how mummification removes the water completely. I imagine there is a parallel that can be drawn.



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LightAssassin
a reply to: AlephBet

Pretty sure the word, and concept, Abyss was stolen from the Sumerian word Abzu.

Start there.
I think that was actually a description of the pits (subterranean stadia) of the Zanzummin Rephaim.


The Rephaim and Zuzim lived in the area later called Bashan east of the Sea of Galilee. Also, note Acts 7 where Stephen reveals Saturn Worship of the false priests. I think a relation can be drawn here.

Here is a Thread I did on the Subject

Acts 7

“‘Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
43 You have taken up the tabernacle of Molek
and the star of your god Rephan,
the idols you made to worship.
Therefore I will send you into exile’ beyond Babylon.

Again, Moses made a mosaic. Mos means bit. Putting the bits together paints the whole picture for us. Central to all the smaller bits, the one larger bit is that of the Word written by the Father (Aleph Bet). The truth comes by transcribing the letters and words of Phoenician. Once you do this, the larger picture emerges and reveals the root truth. The root is locked in symbolism within the Bible, but explained in texts such as the Corpus Hermeticus, the Virgin of the World and many Eastern texts.

Our human knowledge comes from the tree of life (Language). The father language is the Aleph Bet (Phoenician / Hebrew / Semitic) and then the Greek (wisdom / Sophia). These two are the two divine languages of the Bible.



Parallel to the two languages, we have 46 chromosomes that make up the East/West mind. 22 letters of Hebrew and 24 of Greek.

The Bible has all the parts of the puzzle.



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: IndependentAgent

You have ignored all the scriptures I have listed. I did reference them all. Water is the key to the material spirit.

John 3

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Remember, the Seven Rules of Hillel must be employed. Your presuppositions fail the test of the rules. Instead of trying to argue against what I say, find scriptures to challenge my platform. So far, your primary aim has been to find fault with me rather than the subject.



It was not "a demon", the verse you quoted actually says "many demons". Make sure you do not make this big of an error, ignoring what the verse is saying.


Luke 8

27 When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town.

Try reading the passage first. The word legion is in reference to a Roman Legion, which is many. Again, you are trying to find fault with me and not the subject. Ad Hominem does not play well on ATS. People do not appreciate it here.




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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Thank you for that. I think Rumi has an amazing view of this. Check out this thread I did a few weeks ago:

RUMI Part 1

QUOTE:

"Who comes to a spring thirsty and sees the moon reflected in it?

The waters of life well up from a spring that Rumi often calls the ocean of our source. Coming to life here in reality is coming to take a drink. The attraction of the moon is what you seen when you see your own reflection in the water. You can only see that reflection by the light of the sun, which is not seen at night. Notice how he moves from morning to night. When does the light begin? When it hits the horizon of your perception. Again, circling around a center reflects the cycles of life. Every verse ties into the whole. "



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7



Water carries memory its not stored in box or glad within the body, it links to the emotions and smell activates it immediately so our bodily chemicals are involved. Perhaps there are a number of abysses we need to accommodate within our thinking and the body is one of them and how it quantumly works on our psyche's and the vulnerabilities this throws us open to.


Yes. I believe this is related directly to entanglement and the nature of Hydrogen, possessing one proton and one electron. Hydrogen does not have a neutron until it is embodied into water. The all seeing nature of the cosmos is tied directly to the solar cycles, which I believe to be "the waters" of the deep. I didn't mention it directly in the second post, but did indirectly show it.

Here is a thread I did on the subject of the solar cycle and the Emerald Tablet: Emerald Tablet - Orthogonal Linear Matrix



We know there is now a sea below the actual sea and the sumerian texts talk of gods coming out of the sea and going back after teaching them each night into the sea.


I believe that the beings of Genesis 6 are the same 'sky gods' of Enoch and Sumerian stories. Depending on the world they originate from, it could very well be that they traveled here to occupy our oceans. If their own environment is water, then perhaps they came from our own local solar system.

The Titans (moon of Saturn) bring on a whole new meaning to the Abyss in this case. Go back a few posts where I outline a bit of Acts 7 and Saturn worship of the Priests.


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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 08:34 AM
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I have always thought that noah's ark was more likely to be a ship capable of travel even though space and that it carried the essences of life. To contemplace getting some of those huge beasts two by two onto it and keeping them safe, fed, exercised and ready to put back once the waters went down - if they did - is too stupid a tale except for little children.


The Ark is Earth itself. It is also the book of life (DNA). All symbols in the Bible are like words with levels of meaning.

1 Peter 3

19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

The topic of this chapter is "Wives submitting to husbands." The Angel above is the groom that is entangled to the bride (child of God) below.

Are you a Child or Son of God

Reality Spoilers - Noah and the Flood
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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: IndependentAgent

An example of how to answer a person on ATS: LINK



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: AlephBet

Just to be sure, you have a issue to which aspect of my answer? The fact that it is short, or the fact that I disagree with your views?




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