A reminder of an old technology acquisition story.

Well, a couple of things.

The guy has no publication at all. No patents. No patent applications. And LM is a big one for filing anything.

Also, how old is he? If he worked on the U2 with Kelly Johnson, he'd have to be in his late 80's.

There also aren't any people in the LA area named Don Phillips that fit the age range he'd have to be that I can't track to other jobs that DON'T involve UFOs or green energy. There is one that works in the movie industry, about the right age, too.

Also the DOD service database doesn't show a Don Phillips in the USAF in that era that was from the LA area.

Unless it's a pseudonym, I'd have to rate the believability pretty low.

a reply to: Jonjonj

I've met a number of people that have similar qualities: they can talk for hours and hours and sound quite convincing - they suffer from a syndrome called "pathological lying". From Wikipedia:

Although little has been written about pathological lying, one study found a prevalence of almost 1 in 1,000 repeat juvenile offenders. The average age of onset is 16 years when the level of intelligence is average or above average. Also, they have shown above level verbal skills as opposed to performance abilities.

Most of the reasons to label this man as such already have been pointed out by others here. I found it particularly amusing to hear this guy say that silicon CPU's were an "invention of aliens". The CPU is a direct consequence of the invention of the transistor, and that invention is quite well documented. The first transistor did not even use silicon: it was a point-contact transistor, made from strips of gold foil on a plastic triangle, pushed down into contact with a slab of germanium. Why on Earth (sic) would someone go to the trouble of creating a point-contact transistor like that if they already knew (from the "alien" tech) they had to use silicon?

Bollocks.

a reply to: MysterX

I can dig where you're coming from there. It's always worth considering the angles and not taking everything we read and hear at face value. At the same time, you can tie your brain into knots trying to shift reality enough that the stories of folk like Phillips become plausible.

Let's take the timeline of semi-conductors and run with it? You can see in the link a simple progression from electrical conduction in sulfide crystals (1833) to the silicon chips that spurred the computer age. The pioneers have been lauded publicly and within academic circles. Contemporary sources include letters and documents of their public appearances and seminars; they represent a cross-section of nationalities.

Back-filling the supporting histories wouldn't be as easy as publishing text-books with fake accounts. It'd require adding convincing documents to international universities, rewriting historical correspondences to newspapers/journals and academic colleagues and removing any references from the pioneers that didn't support the invented paradigm.

Such an undertaking would demand the complicity of not just current academics and historians, but all of them since 1947 just to cover the tracks of a handful of claimants today. We'd be talking about tens of thousands of co-conspirators to make such an endeavour possible.

...or Phillips et al are making it up.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

I was at a wedding a few years back and got talking to the photographer. He told me that he was part of the team who created ARPANET. He went on to describe working at Bletchley and how deciphering the Enigma Machine informed his later work of inventing the internet.

He was articulate and seemed to believe what he said. Even though it was a brief interaction, he's left an impression on me that informs how I view characters with extraordinary claims.

He wasn't even old enough to have been part of ARPANET let alone serving at Bletchley.

Double post

Merry Christmas

a reply to: Kandinsky

It does seem a mammoth task doesn't it Kandinsky, almost impossible perhaps.

I wouldn't have thought switching, planting and removing and generally playing around with the historical record would be an easy thing to do, for many of the reasons you mention...but IF we're talking about the greatest secret ever maintained by Human beings, i'm sure it would have been done if they had desired to do it.

There is very little that is impossible with limitless resources in both talented personnel, money and probably most importantly authority, influence and unimpeded access.

I think you're right about the difficulties in managing a switch on this scale, but think you've overestimated the numbers of people who would need to be involved in the operation...very few people in actuality would be required to be 'in on it', small(ish) specialist teams would do the legwork, and most civilians at the sites of interest would be told to leave the lab, library, records dept. and so on, and be told 'Government business - leave your workstations and follow the sergeant / MP outside'...or 'National security Madam / Sir, sign this official secrets act, if you break this oath, you will be spending the rest of your life in Federal prison and your families will be farmed out to various - very carefully selected - foster homes..sign here please' Or words to that effect i'd imagine.

There are thousands of scenarios where people could be hoodwinked like this and never know what had been done to their University archives, patents library docs, or other scientific or historical document caches.

They can use variations of the above examples...'Government authority' would probably be used most, although the threats of loss of position / grants / liberty / family / quality of life / death could be rolled out to those that question or buck that authority, or plain old fashioned bribery with promotions to department heads, increased budgets, eminent corporate contracts and so on would also be used to effect cooperation and silence.

And let's not forget, this would have been soon after WW2, or in the early cold war and so, most people when told to keep their mouths shut and do what they are told, would do so without question, especially when faced with Official secrecy acts and National security ID's, official blokes in Uniform etc.

Most of the records from those early days, will be digitised or placed on microfiche - easy to duplicate and insert alterations and replace the entire sheet...this wouldn't need to be done everywhere, in every University or other place likely to hold these records, only the more prominent institutions need to be switched...the other places holding these records can simply suffer a 'break in by vandals', a fire, the records simply damaged in an 'accident' or outright stolen...then the prominent institute is contacted by the place that had their record destroyed, asking for a copy to be made so they can replace their now missing or damaged version...of course, they will all get copies of the doctored version and nobody is any the wiser, all the information on each copy will tally as they are all copies of the dodgy version and when enough institutions have the same copy and comparisons are made, they will all match and the information becomes concrete authentic.

Not easy for the likes of you and I, but for a powerful, resourceful and determined Government with the greatest secret in the history of Humankind to keep?

Probably bread and butter operations for certain specialist agencies.

I know you know i'm not saying this happened Kandinsky, but in case others feel i'm saying this absolutely went down like this, i'm not, this is only one possible scenario, and might be accurate or very, very wide of the mark. Either way, i am saying it is entirely possible given the reasons outlined.

Or, as you say, the guy could be lying.

He can't be that hard to find can he? I saw your post about tracing him and coming up short, but has anyone contacted Greer and his outfit to fill in the blanks of identity, work history and so on?

a reply to: MysterX

He can't be that hard to find can he? I saw your post about tracing him and coming up short, but has anyone contacted Greer and his outfit to fill in the blanks of identity, work history and so on?

Mr Greer is amongst the last people on Earth who should be asked for a character reference. It'd be like asking a loan seller if their deal was the best available. Or believing a shark when it smiles and says, 'Come on in, the water's just lovely!' : )

There was a guy called 'Colonel Bob O Dean' who crashed into the UFO conference circuit with bold claims and attracted a wide following. Even now, there are a few ATSers who believe him because he has a charisma - he's still working I think. It turned out his military background was made up, his signature documents were photoshopped and his collection of 'smoking guns' were plagiarised.

Sometimes the most probable explanation is the correct one.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Kandinsky

It does seem a mammoth task doesn't it Kandinsky, almost impossible perhaps.

I wouldn't have thought switching, planting and removing and generally playing around with the historical record would be an easy thing to do, for many of the reasons you mention...but IF we're talking about the greatest secret ever maintained by Human beings, i'm sure it would have been done if they had desired to do it.

So, hundreds of thousands of books, periodicals, newspapers across the world were tracked down and...altered to conceal aliens? Sorry. Not buying it.

An informative video with a believable talker about the US and UFO's stretching back to the 1940s. Thanks for sharing, got it on my headphones with my mobile phone.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
I don't know how many people remember, or even know about this interview. As far as I can ascertain this man has never been debunked, contradicted nor even disrespected.
I believe that this man's story deserves to be heard again.
I understand that Dr. Steven Greer is anathema for most UFOlogists but still. A man with a story is worth listening to.
This is NOT the story of Dr. Steven Greer. It's the testimony of Don Phillips.

I hope you enjoy this video those who have not seen it before.

I would have added to these threads but they seem to have been ignored for many years.

starwatcher1 www.abovetopsecret.com...
Groomforce thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is an old link to some info www.galactic-server.com...