originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Bluesma
It's not exactly on topic, but I'd be interested to see that article.
It was some sort of lecture on Youtube, which I can't find again. I had it on while I was mopping the floor, not even sure how youtube hopping landed
there, and I was making enough scoffing sarcastic comments during it that I wouldn't really want to steer anyone else towards it. There was just that
one part that I found I can relate to
Until I do, and find within it a plausible reason for assigning genders to different types of creative behaviour, I beg leave to regard the following
stereotypification as tendentious, insulting and ridiculous:
Okay, understood. I personally find that there are some areas that I like and perhaps need the input of others, and that I also like to " let go" of
my creations and watch them evolve without being controlled by anyone in particular.
Making humans, for example? I find I need someone else to help seed them, then my creative efforts really all go in the direction of eventually
letting them go so I can stand back and watch them flourish on their own.
I have my husband constantly bugging me to write a book, because he sees I have a passion for writing that makes me soar internally- but I find that I
mostly get inspired when interacting with others- alone, with no one else to provoke me to move out of my own fixed perspectives, I lose momentum
fast. I guess I get bored with knowing beforehand exactly how it will manifest ultimately- I love the discovery of watching it emerge in surprising
ways! When it is a creation of me alone, there can be no surprises about it's growth or behavior- for it will be a reproduction of my own psyche
I thought it interesting to hear that called a feminine sort of creativity, and considered how my husband (also very creative) is very adamant about
doing it his own way, preferably against any input of others, an also has trouble letting go of his creations. He cannot bring himself to sell them,
he wants to possess and keep them forever. I know another man that does that- his home is filled with sculptures, and he has tried to let others buy
them but always ends up squirming out of the deal.
But I hear your opposing thought on the feminine/ masculine catagoriation and take note of your disagreement.
I am a man. And yes, it has been and remains my lifelong conviction that no creative work of quality has ever emerged from any kind of
democratic or committee process. Great creative ideas are always the children of a single brain.
Okay, I hear that opinion. I can't help but raise the example of human beings again though.
Sometimes the ideas we produce can be refined by others, but those others are also very special people with different creative talents of their own:
editors, producers, arrangers, coaches, teachers.
I feel like you have taken a particular strong stance, and now contradicted it with this statement?
I certainly wouldn't choose any guy off the street to make a child with, nor involve myself in a creative writing process with a moron!
-Though, as I will explain further down, even the morons influence the process indirectly, because they may stimulate reflections, simply by examples
of what NOT to include, what to avoid, and pushing one to explain things to them, which provokes an internal process of analyzation inside.
All this is conventional. None of it, however, plays any part in the committee approach to creativity you describe as 'feminine'. That kind of
approach results in sloppy, inferior work because the agenda is never to create the best expression possible in a medium but instead to make all
The person in the video was talking about creativity with one other partner. I am suggesting many can have an influence. But I do not suggest they
always KNOW they had a part, nor that they are happy with the process or result. Being part of it often means having been an adversary.
In a thread, only people with an interest or focus on the topic will click on it and participate. Only some of them, sometimes very few, will have
insights or ideas that are developed enough to be of interest in the creative process. The others will most likely be ignored, or rejected as trolls,
depending upon the sort of input they bring to the table.
Since I am a feminist as well as a man, I denounce your characterisation of this wishy-washy, ego-stroking creative incompetence as 'feminine'.
Gotcha. It was the way someone else saw it, which I found interesting- though I haven't a firm stance on whether these different sorts of creativity
are feminine or masculine in nature yet, so I don't feel motivated to debate you on that. I am still in a receiving mode, collecting different
perspectives. Thank you for contributing yours!
I will put forth the view that, even when I am creating seemingly "alone", my creations are still products of many, because who I am, my mind, is
formed by the millions of experiences I have... and my experiences are influenced by others. So in any case, there is indirect participation by
others! You may see a thread be created by me on this or a related subject, and you can say, hey, I was part of that!
If you have grown up in a cave, without contact with other individuals, then I guess you can be sure that your mind has not been touched by those of
others, and everything that comes from it is solely yours. I can't say that.
Eh, in person that could be said with humor and we'd both laugh- here, it just seems facetious, doesn't it?
I don't mean it to be. I think you get what I mean though?
I am a product of many
, therefore, all that comes from me is a product of many.
But in any case, with the masculine/feminine type of creativity hypothesis, you do get it that it is refering to sides of ALL people? Yin and Yang?
Women can manifest their masculine qualities, men their feminine qualities, it is not catagorization based only on physical gender?
To bring this back to the topic, the relevance can be illustrated thus-
-A UFO video, that has been proven to be fake, repeatedly comes back up, with caps in the title. Those who have read it and know it has been blown out
of the water roll their eyes and grind their teeth in frustration.
-But there are other persons who see it for the first time, and they get to have their try at analyzing and researching and forming an opinion,
and that might be a very practical exercise for them, in learning to how to do that; in learning critical thought. We are not all at the same level of
experience in all things, and just because one has been there, done that, does not mean that is true for all others, and it doesn't mean all others
should be deprived of the experience and opportunity to develop and grow!
edit on 22-12-2014 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)