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UFOs and NATO ... Human Mutilation

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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: Spiro

Yes I can see the valid point you are making ...
Cheers




posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: artistpoet

yea, the book does point more towards human actions. but it's human actions committed with alien technology. for example, the cattle mutilations: they use blacked out helos to fly over herds and then tranquilize a cow or two, then rope down and cut it open using some sort of laser cutting tool (I don't remember specifically what and it was several pages ago), then get picked back up. the helo stays high enough that it's rotor wash doesn't permanently disturb the grass, footprints are erased easily, so on. everything they do (so far anyway) is designed to stoke the fear factor in regards to UFOs and to provide the populace with "signs" of visitation. they've done cattle mutilations, "abductions," and crop circles so far. each instance has been written in such a way that it seems totally plausible in it's execution.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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if the video fits the shoe its allowed.
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: artistpoet

Where is it written or expected even that all ETs will make nice to us?

Take off the rosy glasses, folks. Think Star Wars, Star Trek, Men in Black, etc. #e happens. As the earth harbors creatures of one kind or another that will eat you alive--even some of your brethren--so too some fraction of the ET crowd will want--maybe not supper--but to see how a randomly collected specimen is put together, to study it, to pull it's wings off.

Yes, as an admitted UFO abductee of decades ago, I'm making light of a simple, very human, perspective on the situation of human mutilations. I don't know exactly how to tell you to view the situation, but the old religious school of angels and demons lends itself quite well to this discussion. There are creatures out there--more than likely not of our stock--that have their own philosophies of how to act upon those less endowed with tech and brain attributes. Exactly as it is among us. What we need to decide for ourselves, as TPTB are not very helpful in this whole question of local ETs, is whether or not there is a general kindness, benevolency, throughout the universe. The answer I find is "Yes, mostly." But at its highest level we must understand that self-determination is a factor in how various creatures, a random ship's crew, a government or an alliance of planets will handle their own affairs. In an overall view, the human perspective on the universe is hardly relevant save for campfire horror stories that just may be true.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:07 AM
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Thanks Spiro and Mirageman

I have taken your advice and edited / added to my original post for those who do not have the time or inclination to watch the whole vid



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Aliensun

Thanks for your post Aliensun ...

Of course you are correct in pointing out that not all Aliens would be loving and kind ...

Beings whether alien or Human share the capacity for free choice ... how we interact with our fellow beings ... If we did not have choice we would be drones ... However in any situation there is to me only one choice ... that being to do what I perceive as the right thing ... yet in saying that it does not mean that I choose wisely for in retrospect it may well have been a wrong choice ... Yet the wrong choice when recognised can help one grow in understanding ...



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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I personally would like to thank the OP. Without this post i would never have known about this film.
Good Job OP!
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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Oddly enough,.....I wondered about human mutes when The cattle thing started and it seems to me that such cataloguing of species may be common for higher intelligences or civilisations as we study chimps or spiders etc.....
They study whatever they come across.....there is no requisite for intelligence to be "moral" by our expectations.....

When I first heard of the Brazil case.....(one man by a reservoir....) I also heard rumour that twelve other humans had similar mutilations in the same area, but this was hushed up.....nothing has been forthcoming since....

The variety of mutilations world wide is astonishing......from herds of English sheep to groups of headless seals , and many species in between discovered in isolated places.
I have been given to understand that not just cattle but deer elk and other creatures have suffered the same fate...
I could see the black ops doing in cattle and such to prepare for bluebeam, but many instances occur far from people and are only discovered accidentally...

This observation leads me more to an alien hypothesis, which reluctantly ive come to accept as the most plausible explanation......
Coupled with the missing persons cases in national parks...it looks more ominous as the progression of mutilated and missing totals pile up year after year....
Sometimes I think that these acts are done by DNA poachers who come here for the variety of organic materials available and the ease by which they can be harvested.....

Possibly this follows the progression of species coming of age in the galactic community...
First they are prey....then they are accepted as equals when they can defend themselves successfully from such predations....
Much as we preyed upon the native nations centuries back......
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 02:40 PM
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If it's correct that aliens are mutilating humans and our world wide military can do nothing to prevent it but cover the results up, my question is why do the aliens have to be secretive about their actions? If they are omni-potent as many people believe why not just do as they want openly, not secretly or at night? Yet if it's to be believed that is what they are doing then that answer does not reconcile with their modus operandi.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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I personally would like to thank the OP. Without this post i would never have known about this film. Good Job OP!


You'r most welcome ...
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: stirling

Thanks for your post

You put into words much of what I would have wished to say in my opening post.

I still stray shy of concluding it is an Alien connection regarding Mutilations ... but I do not mind being proved wrong ... It would be good to have some real answers/proof of who is responsible

I have a very good friend who is interested in UFOs ... I have been in the wilds with him on dark clear nights and indeed he spotted two flying craft very high and moving at at a rapid rate which he pointed out to me .. my only explanation was it could be Military ones which the public are not aware of ... Also he says he has witnessed craft doing seemingly impossible maneovers ... It was he who got me interested in Mutulations having come across one on a farm ... this was a small rodent with the tell tale signs of other larger animal and Human mutilations ... Having known my friend all my life I have no reason to doubt him ...

However for me an Alien connection with UFOs and Mutilations just does not feel right somehow ... I just feel it is Military/Scientific But am perpared to be wrong ...

By the way many of the sightings my friend has seen of UFOs follow the same flight path... occuring near A top Military Secret Base (Menwith Hill) ... their direction goes towards other locations where UFO activity is historically rife ... This is in Northern England by the way



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

I am not sure it is correct that Aliens are carrying out these mutilations ... wish I knew

However the vid when covering the part where this secret group of soldiers go to Human mutilation sites ... claims the soldiers actually witnessed landed craft with very hostile Aliens inside ... They like us are bioligical and can be destroyed with conventional weapons ... though this did not occur according to the vid ... The soldiers mereley secured the site and also watched each others back in case they attacked ... strange stuff indeed and the stuff of fantasy or not.

But the whole thing does not somehow hang together regarding Aliens ... but I may well be wrong ...

My questions are really 3

1. Who is doing this
2. Why are they doing it
3. How are they doing it



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: artistpoet

Whilst I do appreciate you updating the thread with more information what it's still lacking is any substance. There are no specifics, no dates, times and places. No who, what and where?

For a start:




Securing areas worldwide where UFO activity had occurred involving Human Mutilation The areas were secured by a small team of soldiers till scientists came and shipped back the findings to a top secret base


Where are these areas where Human Mutilation occurred and when were they secured. Supposedly what bases were they shipped to?





Some of the historical police findings have been suppressed according to an officer who knows of many such cases ... he features in the film along with a guy who claims he first approached by the so called whistle-blower


Do we have any suggestion as to which files have been suppressed and what these crimes may involve and when they happened?

It's all too vague and so impossible to offer an opinion.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

I am sorry my mind is like a sieve ... I should have sat with pen and paper in hand and written down all the things you speak of ... My intention was not to prove anything but seek answers or thoughts on the subject ...

It would require me watching the film for a third time ...

I appreciate you may find my responses lacking in substance ... but all the questions you ask are answered within the film

I do apologise if you can not view the film ...



edit on 20-12-2014 by artistpoet because: typo



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: artistpoet

You mean you don't make notes whenever you watch a film?


Only joking mate.

I really don't know the first thing about this. But I do think there is some potential in this topic for it to be an absolutely fascinating thread if you (or someone else) is prepared to put in the research and present the case well. So I was trying to push you in that direction. Hoping I could get my head around what it was all about by reading some specific cases. I don't want to spend 2 hours watching a movie on my tablet or a computer.

But I guess that this is probably not your style and you just wanted feedback from others on the documentary in the OP. Fair enough and so I will simply wish you (and all other members) a Merry Christmas.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: mirageman


I am sort of kicking myself a bit here ... as I wish I had taken notes of events and dates and names etc ...
And Yes it is a big ask for folks to watch the whole vid ... But I think it is worthy of that as it is the best and most comprehensive film I have watched on this subject in my opinion

Hope you and all too have a Peacful and Loving Christmas with those you share your time with ...



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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Some interesting points made in that Video.

1. Ufo movement functions to mislead and confuse public on the nature Ufo/Alien Presence.
2. Ufo movement general message to public is Aliens are benevolent when in reality the exact opposite.
3. The Hollywood depiction of Aliens are wide eye smiling friendly looking is completely different to reality, the alleged Nato special force person says the Aliens looked like Devils
4. That Nato has several major tracking stations that can predict and detect early where Ufos will be, and they have beam weapon that can disrupt Ufps propulsion system and bring it down.
5. Nato Deployment team 58 ready to be deployed on call to be at the down site and guard it until retrieval team (which is always made up of US personnel) arrives. The team 58 received orders to deploy on average abut 4 time each 6 months.

6. The Aliens encountered by secure team very dangerous to approach can move much faster than human and, cant be approached alone, someone else needs to be providing cover fire. (The ex Nato ops guy comments transverse 60 metres in few seconds).

7. Crafts have stealth ability.
8. Various different types of body parts found inside downed craft, including human.
9. Aliens who do this mutilation pick remote out of the way places to target people, animals where they know the people wont be noticed missing for months.
10. Story is slowly leaking out and may one day come out fully, although there is strong resistance to this happening due to anticipation of the negative effect it will have on public.

The story seems credible as far as listening to the story goes although no direct form of evidence is provided to support claims, only indirect forms documented cases of animal mutilations, and some human mutilations.

Mabey it will be wise if you see a Ufo in sky at night leg it out of there.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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Thanks for taking time to watch film and summarising it ... better than I ... Good job



Some interesting points made in that Video. 1. Ufo movement functions to mislead and confuse public on the nature Ufo/Alien Presence. 2. Ufo movement general message to public is Aliens are benevolent when in reality the exact opposite. 3. The Hollywood depiction of Aliens are wide eye smiling friendly looking is completely different to reality, the alleged Nato special force person says the Aliens looked like Devils 4. That Nato has several major tracking stations that can predict and detect early where Ufos will be, and they have beam weapon that can disrupt Ufps propulsion system and bring it down. 5. Nato Deployment team 58 ready to be deployed on call to be at the down site and guard it until retrieval team (which is always made up of US personnel) arrives. The team 58 received orders to deploy on average abut 4 time each 6 months. 6. The Aliens encountered by secure team very dangerous to approach can move much faster than human and, cant be approached alone, someone else needs to be providing cover fire. (The ex Nato ops guy comments transverse 60 metres in few seconds). 7. Crafts have stealth ability. 8. Various different types of body parts found inside downed craft, including human. 9. Aliens who do this mutilation pick remote out of the way places to target people, animals where they know the people wont be noticed missing for months. 10. Story is slowly leaking out and may one day come out fully, although there is strong resistance to this happening due to anticipation of the negative effect it will have on public. The story seems credible as far as listening to the story goes although no direct form of evidence is provided to support claims, only indirect forms documented cases of animal mutilations, and some human mutilations. Mabey it will be wise if you see a Ufo in sky at night leg it out of there.
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: mirageman

I am sorry my mind is like a sieve ... I should have sat with pen and paper in hand and written down all the things you speak of ... My intention was not to prove anything but seek answers or thoughts on the subject ...

It would require me watching the film for a third time ...

I appreciate you may find my responses lacking in substance ... but all the questions you ask are answered within the film

I do apologise if you can not view the film ...




Please understand that we've gone through this before, many times. Someone makes extraordinary claims and urges people to watch a linked video, promising answers in the video. It turns out that the video contains nothing but unsubtantiated wild claims. We're probably all familiar with cattle mutilations and they've been heavily documented (perpetrators uncertain). Please substantiate your claim about human mutilations with some evidence (claims are not evidence) and explain what evidence leads you to believe what or whom the perpetrators are and why.
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: AthlonSavage
Some interesting points made in that Video.

1. Ufo movement functions to mislead and confuse public on the nature Ufo/Alien Presence.
2. Ufo movement general message to public is Aliens are benevolent when in reality the exact opposite.
3. The Hollywood depiction of Aliens are wide eye smiling friendly looking is completely different to reality, the alleged Nato special force person says the Aliens looked like Devils
4. That Nato has several major tracking stations that can predict and detect early where Ufos will be, and they have beam weapon that can disrupt Ufps propulsion system and bring it down.
5. Nato Deployment team 58 ready to be deployed on call to be at the down site and guard it until retrieval team (which is always made up of US personnel) arrives. The team 58 received orders to deploy on average abut 4 time each 6 months.

6. The Aliens encountered by secure team very dangerous to approach can move much faster than human and, cant be approached alone, someone else needs to be providing cover fire. (The ex Nato ops guy comments transverse 60 metres in few seconds).

7. Crafts have stealth ability.
8. Various different types of body parts found inside downed craft, including human.
9. Aliens who do this mutilation pick remote out of the way places to target people, animals where they know the people wont be noticed missing for months.
10. Story is slowly leaking out and may one day come out fully, although there is strong resistance to this happening due to anticipation of the negative effect it will have on public.

The story seems credible as far as listening to the story goes although no direct form of evidence is provided to support claims, only indirect forms documented cases of animal mutilations, and some human mutilations.

Mabey it will be wise if you see a Ufo in sky at night leg it out of there.







Thank you. As you point out there's no evidence to back up any of this except for the existence of animal mutilations and some human mutilations. Which human mutilations were documented and why are they similar to the animal mutilations?




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