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North Korea officially denies any involvement in Sony Hack, wants joint investigation with US

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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: ausername

The main point of you argument in letting the court of the world opinion to decide if the evidence is proof does not matter. Do you think any government or agency care what u think and even more do you think they would allow you to see their hand in order to scrutinise their decision making. So in reality what will happen is either they will come out and claim they have proof without showing it, which will be enough in their eyes, or they will just ignore what they have said and rely on the citizens of the world to forget quickly and move on to the next situation to worry about.

The people need to demand answers not ask for them because we are the boss and they are OUR employees. We pay their wages so they answer to us. Do your job as citizens and hold these scum to account.




posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: fatpastyhead
They hate the USA yet they want a joint inquiry?


Yeah, he wants to know who the mole is.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: jvm222
What if it is all fabricated to fool you into a distraction of fear


If people want to be afraid of going to the movies, then they should fear the crazy lone wolf Americans like that one in Colorado, you know the one who had his gun jam before he could kill them all... Fear the psychos among you, more than any lame threats from NK.




posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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North Korea did it.

Don't know why people are making excuse's for a two bit dictator.

Really were people expecting them to admit to it ?

Forget the ME ?

No Ko was supplying the Assad Regime. They denied that do.


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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: liteonit6969

North Korea wants to do this in public, if we have the evidence then it should be an easy case to win... They are using the media to manipulate opinion, then we should answer that with real proof of the allegations.

Unless we have nothing to back up the blame laid on NK?




posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: liteonit6969

North Korea wants to do this in public, if we have the evidence then it should be an easy case to win... They are using the media to manipulate opinion, then we should answer that with real proof of the allegations.

Unless we have nothing to back up the blame laid on NK?



Why? So lil Kim can feed the sloppy operatives to ravenous dogs like he did his relatives?



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: liteonit6969

North Korea wants to do this in public, if we have the evidence then it should be an easy case to win... They are using the media to manipulate opinion, then we should answer that with real proof of the allegations.

Unless we have nothing to back up the blame laid on NK?



Why? So lil Kim can feed the sloppy operatives to ravenous dogs like he did his relatives?


In north Korea, where insects and corpses are fought over for food by many of his people living and dying in extreme poverty... Perhaps Kim would be better served by feeding them to his starving people?

Could be great PR for him.

Every dog has its day.


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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:37 AM
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How many times is the u.s. gunna use.."its all about a movie"?....ue bengazi...

Been other movies offensive to nk...they just decided that this wss the last straw?!?

Its the butler with a baseball bat...



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Sony Hack An Inside Job? North Korea Involved?





Last week the TYT did a report on this being an inside job because it appears the hackers knew exactly where to go and who to hack amongst the plethora of data inside Sony.

Perhaps TPTB are once again creating more fear/warmongering for their own gains?
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington

Considering the Purge of those who try to bring DPRK's current leadership down from within...

Maybe Kim has a stake in finding out who really did this.




It could be considered treasonous if a North Korean insider did this to set up Kim.




He has just as much to gain from a cooperative investigation than anyone else...



Then he could set the Dogs on the perpe-traitors.




posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: Aliensun

Maybe Microsoft?....


www.businessinsider.com...




The hackers reportedly stole a key password from someone in IT. US investigators told CNN the hackers stole the computer credentials of a system administrator, which gave them broad access to Sony's computer systems. Once on the network, they planted malware. Some security experts, and documents obtained by Ars Technica, say that this was a form of "wiper" malware. Generally, that refers to malware designed to destroy the data, although in this case they used malware to collect data, too. The malware used Microsoft Windows management and network file-sharing features to spread, shut down the network, and reboot computers, reports Ars Technica. This so-called wiper was apparently a variant of the type that a group called DarkSeoul used on South Korean banks last year. The FBI confirmed that the Sony malware found resembled that used in the bank hack.


Could be a coincidence or?

Don't hackers usually like using Linex?


Is this a case of blinding you with the light?

At least now I understand the need for the sunglasses in "They Live".




posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Sony Hack An Inside Job? North Korea Involved?





Last week the TYT did a report on this being an inside job because it appears the hackers knew exactly where to go and who to hack amongst the plethora of data inside Sony.

Perhaps TPTB are once again creating more fear/warmongering for their own gains?


So the main goal was exposing racism by Sony Pictures execs, at the expense of starting a war with N Korea?
Nice angle. The race baiters in the White House now have Al Sharpton set up to work with Sony to vet their material. A pre censorship by an all Black agenda has been set up to screen all Sony films.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:42 PM
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Question for programmers -

How do you trace specific code to a specific source? Couldn't anybody write code to accomplish this hack as long as they know what they're doing?



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP


Why? So lil Kim can feed the sloppy operatives to ravenous dogs like he did his relatives?

Yes, exactly Tinfoil.


That is the Punishment for treason in DPRK, allegedly...
To set up leadership for a fall, is treason.


Whether we agree with that Punishment is irrelevant.
Saudi Arabia do much worse.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
For the US agencies to be directly implicating North Korea, they must have solid evidence.

Their "solid evidence" is something along the lines of 'this code looks like that other code' where 'that other code' is code used by the Dark Seoul group, which is suspected by South Korea as linked to North Korea.

It is extremely difficult to attribute competent attacks to a particular source.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: ausername

The main point of you argument in letting the court of the world opinion to decide if the evidence is proof does not matter. Do you think any government or agency care what u think and even more do you think they would allow you to see their hand in order to scrutinise their decision making. So in reality what will happen is either they will come out and claim they have proof without showing it, which will be enough in their eyes, or they will just ignore what they have said and rely on the citizens of the world to forget quickly and move on to the next situation to worry about.

The people need to demand answers not ask for them because we are the boss and they are OUR employees. We pay their wages so they answer to us. Do your job as citizens and hold these scum to account.


They are not stupid, they know they can bank on us, and we provide them a great return for their trust. We have never failed them and we continue to pay, with our blood, sweat and tears ,for their continued control of our lives and minds. We even pridefully lay our children before them on their sacrificial alter.

Demands? The people are way too busy and distracted to remember what happened yesterday. They aren't concerned with anything that is not sitting in their lap, right now and will have no memory of it once it is no longer in their face.

Somewhere on ATS there is a thread that speaks to the news items that have disappeared; this will just be another to go along with a list that could probably wrap the planet twice.

What "did" ever happen about the lady shot down on Capitol Hill with her baby in the car, the man next door to everyone, infected with Ebola, the trillions of dollars the government "misplaced? The list goes on and on because there are no more "We The People". It is only Me, Myself and I.

Sorry. Just my humble and sad opinion.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 01:03 PM
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I know nothing about the Internet other then signing on so maybe someone can answer my question, does this incident with Sony affect net neutrality in anyway? If so how?

Thank you in advanced.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

What do you mean "Why?" ?

Your comments are more and more sounding like everything thats wrong with America. From the cops attitude to punish without evidence to Obama wanting to attack Russia without any tangible proof.

You cannot declare North Koreas guilt just because its leader has a prior tendancy to be a fruit cake.

Everyone DESERVES a fair trial and North korea have gone further than the US and offered an open investigation.

I am becoming more suspicious of your motives on many of ATS threads because you are frequently making comments that have pushed me to label you as not credible.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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Probably been covered, but the one thing that comes to mind over all of this is, surely this type of attack is a nice way to panic the people enough to allow more restrictions/ censorship of the internet...isn't this situation like the golden ticket to lawmakers ?

"OMG, big corporations are being hacked, quick, we must accept further erosion of our online privacy, so that our information doesn't fall into the wrong hands!"

I can just about hear them cry.

At present, the one thing you have to ask yourself right now, if you were the hacker, the only thing better than people talking about your handywork, is you have managed to frame others for your handywork...got to be an ego trip surely?



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: suz62
Question for programmers -

How do you trace specific code to a specific source? Couldn't anybody write code to accomplish this hack as long as they know what they're doing?

It's not really possible to definitively track code to an unknown source. Assembly doesn't exactly leave fingerprints. Anyone can social engineer or guess a password if they're lucky and/or competent enough. Once you have a system administrator password (as seems to be the case with the Sony hack), you're pretty much free to do whatever - including obliterating your tracks.

What the FBI seems to have done to link the hack to North Korea in this case is say hey - there's code used in this attack that looks like code used in another attack, and that attack we think is done by a particular group (DarkSeoul). They also think they've tracked the incursion to a particular entry point, which has been used in said previous attack. South Korea thinks that particular group is operating from North Korea.

It's a speculative chain at best.



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