a reply to: Akragon
Actually you are the one who lacks understanding in the this chapter... because you read until you find what you want then stop and disregard the
Explain to me using grammar and syntax how I've ignored anything...you say I lack understanding but don't explain what your talking about because its
obvious by the Scriptures I've given you that I am teaching a Biblical doctrine not a Pauline doctrine. You are getting frustrated because the more
Scripture I show the more obvious it is that you are not following the rules of grammar when interpreting these verses.
Believing is not an action... IF you think it is you're as clueless as you appear...
Ok maybe you need some grammar lessons:
noun: verb; plural noun: verbs
a word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen
verb: believe; 3rd person present: believes; past tense: believed; past participle: believed; gerund or present participle: believing
accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of.
verb: accept; 3rd person present: accepts; past tense: accepted; past participle: accepted; gerund or present participle: accepting
consent to receive (a thing offered).
Believing is a choice to consent to receive something. In the case of salvation, its choosing to accepts God's grace rather than depend on oneself. A
choice is most definitely an action and so is a verb. So grammatically you are incorrect believing is an action. Now to say it isn't is what shows a
person is clueless. You choose to eat because before hand you believed you were hungry or needed sustenance. You choose to avoid fire because before
hand you believed fire would burn you. Belief comes before every physical action. You don't walk with something that clings to the ground in fear
gravity might suddenly quit working because you believe gravity to stay the same past present and future. Hopefully you get the point.
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to
eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
As I've said repeatedly... IF you believe in HIM you do as he asked.... and he didn't ask them to just believe, He said FOLLOW ME... Learn from me...
I AM that bread that came down from heaven... the words I speak are spirit, and are life... meaning How God wants them to live
First we have been discussing John 6. Jesus did tell us to follow him, but what did Jesus do? He went and told people who He was, and what He was here
to do. He did miracles so people would know He wasn't lying and many of those miracles have to do with symbolizing what He was here to do. He came to
tell us that He died so that we may live. Thee fact is friend none is Good but God. I will never get through to you only God can open your eyes. The
most I can do is try to show you what your missing grammatically in Scripture and that his words get through to you.
Sure... Theres four books in the bible titled, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John... they give details of a man named Jesus... Who taught his followers
to love God, and love their neighbour... which involves action not just words
Ok lets recap our conversation cause you obviously forgot where we were:
"60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his
disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is
the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
IF It was Faith alone, he would not have needed to tell us how God wants us to live.... but all of the gospels cover the same thing... How God wants
his children to live "
"Second, This interpretation verse 60-63 makes no sense...please point out where Jesus is telling them how to live...."
The you gave the quoted response above...You've done nothing to explain how those verses agree with what you have said....you just mentioned the name
of the four gospels ..and yes I agree we are called to love our God and love our neighbors, but love is not just a physical action like all actions a
person must choose to extend that love towards a person. Our choices are what matters the most in this life friend. So, if you died and went to heaven
and God asked "Why should I let you in?" What would you say?
Sure if you disregard everything he teaches and focus on those three verses... Then you're dead on... unfortunately that's not the way it works....
Um....ive disregarded nothing lol you are the one throwing out bible verses.
You mentioned repentance above as being one of Christ teachings you realize the word translated repent means to change ones mind. The way the words
are defined in Scripture tells us repentance is again a choice to trust in Christ and not in oneself. Basically you ideology diminishes the work on
the cross. You are saying Christ died on the cross for sins but his sacrifice wasn't sufficient to pay for them all the way. You are the one ignoring
his teachings friend not me.
the bread symbolises something... so does the blood... that's covered in that chapter as well Do you think he actually meant you have to eat his
flesh and drink his bloo
Is english your first language? I mentioned the bread being symbolic already. Where did I say anything about believing the flesh and blood thing to
being literal? No its not literal. It means anyone who depends on his work on the cross for salvation will have eternal life. Its that simple and the
whole message of the Bible Genesis 5 the genealogy there is a coded message that says man is appointed mortal sorrow but the blessed god shall come
down teaching that his death shall bring the despairing rest. You need to research more openly and more honestly.
Or you could just read the chapter and use a touch of logic... that probably wouldn't get you far though.... Look if you believe Jesus taught Faith
alone... you're just confused and you've never actually read the gospels...
Says the guy ignoring the theme of the 4 books lol. You keep saying use logic but logic requires you use the rules of grammar and syntax and context
to interpret the Bible. You aren't doing that at all. You are tired of my attitude because I am not giving your weak argument any credit because it
doesn't hold any philosophically or historically.
edit on 20-12-2014 by ServantOfTheLamb because: typo