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US/CUBA Strengthened Relationship. Why now?

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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:35 PM
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I really find the timing of this announcement very odd. Right when tensions between the US and Russia are nearly at a breaking point, and a possible war on the horizon. It seems to me the US has done this so we do not have a repeat of the Cuban missile crisis. The Russians cannot harbor offensive weapons there, like they did in 1962. It appears that we took another one of their areas in this real life game of RISK. At any rate, ANY time you see the US STRENGTHEN a relationship with another country, its like a double edged sword. While it may be a good thing, there has to be an ulterior motive. What are your thoughts ATS? Hey, at least now I dont have to smuggle in my Cuban cigars anymore




posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:42 PM
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Obama legacy. that is all.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: thesmokingman
I really find the timing of this announcement very odd. Right when tensions between the US and Russia are nearly at a breaking point, and a possible war on the horizon. It seems to me the US has done this so we do not have a repeat of the Cuban missile crisis. The Russians cannot harbor offensive weapons there, like they did in 1962. It appears that we took another one of their areas in this real life game of RISK. At any rate, ANY time you see the US STRENGTHEN a relationship with another country, its like a double edged sword. While it may be a good thing, there has to be an ulterior motive. What are your thoughts ATS? Hey, at least now I dont have to smuggle in my Cuban cigars anymore


Exactly. To avoid another Cuban missile crisis. It seems like every time anything like this happens, it's not an accident. There is always evil behind any good these days.
edit on 17-12-2014 by fieldyznutz because: itchy post finger



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:44 PM
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For brownie points



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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Gain a foothold before Russia.

Nothing more, Nothing less.

Cuba is a pawn. Make the Cuban population love the US and they will turn their back on Russia. It's what the US Does best...use the people.

Peace



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: Xeven
Obama legacy. that is all.


Goes back way further than that.

Why now OP? Why not? Its some place in the world the US hasn't subjugated yet. And a stain on our imaginary reputation as a caring nation. After all we have been pissing in their cheerios for over half a century.

The world is well aware of this. Time to remove the blemish.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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Yes, my thoughts almost exactly, except my thinking is 'make friends with Cuba' before Russia becomes their best friends, like the other SA countries.
The timing is rather obvious.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: thesmokingman

Why now ?

Because it's the perfect way for the US to flip the bird to Russia.

Aka: Steal one of your enemy's buddies, and the fight gets personal.


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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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I said last year when Obama's bffs and unofficial ambassadors, Jay Z and Beyonce went to Cuba, that something was about to happen with Cuba. And lookie here.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:03 PM
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A curious time for sure .Well not really but has the fat lady sung yet ? The State Dept. hasn't been very diplomatic as of late so maybe they will just tell them either agree or when the bombs start flying we will have one of the first ones with your address on it . Didn't the US get caught recently trying to use rap or some other social media thing to create protests there ? eta

Young Cuban hip-hop musicians have been sucked into a USAID secret operation aiming at regime change in Havana. Rappers from underground circles were unwittingly supposed to promote anti-government sentiments, but the operation was haplessly executed.

A new AP investigation has exposed a secret program by America’s Agency for International Development (USAID) to infiltrate Cuba’s underground hip-hop scene to form a movement of “socially-conscious youth” opposing the Communist authorities. The operation lasted for over two years, in 2009-2011.

USAID has denied the allegations, claiming “Any assertions that our work is secret or covert are simply false,” in a statement on Wednesday. It stressed that its programs are aimed at strengthening civil society, “often in places where civic engagement is suppressed and where people are harassed, arrested, subjected to physical harm or worse.”

The agency’s principal contractor, Washington-based Creative Associates International, associated with a Serbian team to promote Cuban rappers and get the underground hip-hop subculture to stir political dissent in Cuba.
rt.com...
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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: Xeven

I am tempted to agree but with ongoing, worldwide events...not so sure.

It seems like a paradigm shift in power and alliances with a helluva lot of corporate interest tossed in for good measure.



a reply to: queenofswords

Totally.



edit on 12/17/2014 by kosmicjack because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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TPTB knows there's a workforce there.

And, they also want a bigger piece of Castro's big money incomes down there.

I bet they have threatened to overthrow unless they play ball.

Watch for them to get an aligned central bank (B.I.S.)




posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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Obama is trying to leave behind some legacy for history.

His signature Bill the ACA, just doesn't fly once you add all the taxes and fee increases. It was the worse thing ever to pass any congress since its establishment.

But the truth is he is the worse president we have ever had in the entire history of the United States of America.


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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
TPTB knows there's a workforce there.

And, they also want a bigger piece of Castro's big money incomes down there.

I bet they have threatened to overthrow unless they play ball.

Watch for them to get an aligned central bank (B.I.S.)



If they align with any bank it will be further proof the world is run by the banks and not by our governments. they use our governments to protect their local investments but could care less about our local economies.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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Why now is simple. It had to happen while a US President was at the end of term past any elections so that it would not screw things up with the exhile community during elections since FL is a swing state. Of course anybody with a lick of sense has seen this coming since Fidel left power. The new South American born Pope also played a big part in getting things going. Russia does play a role in this, not that the US is worried about Russia in Cuba but, Cuba knows Russia has nothing to offer it. This is not the 1960s a Russian base in Cuba would nothing but, a target and serve zero strategic advantage for Russia. And with the Cuban military being completely worthless Cuba would do nothing but drain Russians resouces with no gain for Russia.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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Maybe because Russia is losing its hold and control?

.. of course, typical ATS bs will all point to some nefarious plot by OBAMA!



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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It seems fairly obvious to me that the US is doing this as another way to hit Russia. I'm sure the plan is to befriend Cuba, and then push for "free" elections. That is going to be the end result. If you've seen what the Cubans in the US are saying, at least the ones the MSM is talking to, they are claiming that the US should be focusing on making a regime change. The more I think about the world in which we live, the more I start to entertain the idea that a single leader is not so bad. We supposedly live in a free society, have rights, etc., and all of these are things that could be had with an all-powerful leader. And despite the fact that we have supposedly reached the pinnacle of freedom, it is fairly obvious that the "free world" is controlled by money, by business interests and their lobbyists, etc...Decisions are not made for the benefit of the people, and on that note our republic, or democratic society, is only that in name. The people truly control nothing. Like Tacitus wrote, "corruptissima re publica plurimae leges," which essentially means that a nation is at its most corrupt when the laws are most numerous.

But in my opinion this is something that should have been done long ago. The embargo placed on Cuba alone should have been ended decades ago. People are making comments about Obama that are simply unfounded where this event is concerned. I like how when Bush was in office, and even now when the torture allegations have been definitively proven, he never knew about anything that was going on. Foreign policy was based on lies and misinformation fed to him by other parts of the government, and that was fine...But Obama gets the blame for everything. Even now, when he does something that is good, what I'm sure are republicans find some fault with it. I actually find the typicality humorous at this point. And mark my words: the regime change that will follow in Cuba will not come while Obama is in office. It will be the next president, who undoubtedly will be republican. All of the people complaining about Obama's decision over Cuba will be defending the next president's decision to make a regime change in Cuba, to usher in "freedom." But somehow that will be different. The same lies that were fed to us, especially by Cheney all over the MSM, about how Iraq was directly tied to terrorist networks involved in attacking or wanting to attack the US, the attempts to procure materials for making nuclear weapons, the WMD's themselves, etc., will be spoon-fed to the people once again prior to this regime change. History will repeat itself, and those in the wrong will think themselves in the right once again.

Where Russia is concerned I believe them to be in the wrong. People wish to justify their actions, their invasion of sovereign foreign territory, but this cannot be done. Any reason short of direct provocation is not justifiable where warfare between nations is concerned. Too many wars over the past couple of decades have been waged with no justification in my opinion. And this would not be the first time Russia has done something like this in recent memory. Russia can whine about being hemmed in by the western placement of nuclear missiles, and all of the other reasons involving the Russian population all they want to, but none of these reasons justify the invasion of a sovereign nation's territory. So while I generally frown upon provoking a nation through international bullying, which the US has done mutliple times in the past, what was done where Russia is concerned is much more justifiable where international law, and just plain common sense, are concerned.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 10:16 PM
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Follow the money....

At one time Cuba was the playground of the American elite. It will be again.

Expect Club Med styled resorts to pop up over night, with casinos, spas, fancy restaurants, and "other" diversions.

Obama was just doing what the corporate oligarchy told him to do.....create an atmosphere for more profitable opportunities and a new friendly relationship with Cuba just opens up new markets for American products.

Why the conservatives are against this doesn't make any sense.

When on holiday...Stop by Olaru12's taco emporium on the beautiful Playa Pilar....all currencies accepted and a free shot of Cruzan when you purchase the family pack.

Brindamos por ti.....


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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 10:31 PM
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to see what putin has there



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 11:03 PM
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Even Cuba knows why!!!




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