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Curiosity Rover Drills Into Mars Rock, Finds Water

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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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NASA's Curiosity rover is continuing to help scientists piece together the mystery of how Mars lost its surface water over the course of billions of years.

The rover drilled into a piece of Martian rock called Cumberland and found some ancient water hidden within it. Researchers were then able to test a key ratio in the water with Curiosity's onboard instruments to gather more data about when Mars started to lose its water, NASA officials said. In the same sample, Curiosity also detected the first organic molecules it has found. Mission scientists announced the discovery in a news conference today (Dec. 15) at the American Geophysical Union's convention in San Francisco, where they also unveiled Curiosity's first detection of methane on Mars.


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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: ugmold

I wish they would add more information than just
" Curiosity also detected the first organic molecules it has found."

and not another mention.

dampsquiBox



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: funbox

Exactly, they might as well just say, we have found water, organic materials and methane on Mars...
In other words, we have found evidence for life.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: gort51

tooo little information , one sec .. ORGANIC MOLECULE ... begs another question ,,, was it alive or dead?
or did Odo pose for one of the cameras, rising out of the heavy water like swamp thing ?


we playing a guessing game now?

extremoBox


edit on 17-12-2014 by funbox because: Swampthing tilting head in interest



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 06:03 PM
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I notice that they withheld some of the images from the website so I couldn't get a look at them at the same time they did. I would have spotted that water first and been a hero!



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

im checking the chem cams now , there's been an influx

found a link from their home page with this vid



mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

funbox


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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: ugmold

Why won't they stop beating around the bush and admit that life has been found.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: lostbook

maybe its there in plain site, interesting how they chose this spot, covered in donut protrusions, sprinkled with sand

the pictures riddled with them



drill site

funbox



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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Organic molecules? and then, " This suggests that the planet lost much of its surface water after the Cumberland rock formed" and then,
"space agency officials added in the same statement then most of the Martian water likely disappeared before Cumberland formed about 3.9 billion to 4.6 billion years ago."
That must mean?? that the organic molecules they found in the rock were at the thin edge of the water table when those organic molecules were about. So I wonder what was the sophistication of the organic material, that the organic molecules emanated from. Also, WTF is the difference between 'Much' and 'Most' in context. Like, Hoover saw what was a Fossil Crinoid in his opinion in a Mars picture and and NASA destroyed that piece of rock and Hoover was cross about that, because in his words, "They are animals!" animals have instinct..notably fear.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: gort51
a reply to: funbox

Exactly, they might as well just say, we have found water, organic materials and methane on Mars...


They could find that in anyone's toilet, but you won't see anyone waving back at you from inside the porcelain god.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: funbox
a reply to: Blue Shift

im checking the chem cams now , there's been an influx

found a link from their home page with this vid



mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

funbox


Yes, and did you hear what the man says amongst other stuff, Methane comes out very clearly as being produced in the presence of water, and it is belching methane. It doesn't mean animal life alone, but it does mean water, so just to get over that hurdle.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: gort51
a reply to: funbox

Exactly, they might as well just say, we have found water, organic materials and methane on Mars...


They could find that in anyone's toilet, but you won't see anyone waving back at you from inside the porcelain god.



Mars is the solar system's toilet.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

does this mean the water content subsurface has gone up from 2%? are they also suggesting that the heavy liquid water in maintaining fluidity during the colder periods also ?...


was that an active Volcano I saw in the video?
since when ?

funbox



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 10:39 PM
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Erm, where did the news about finding water came from? Yahoo and Space.com aren't the best (or original) sources to rely on, sometimes the muddle things up for the sake of a big headline.

"Cumberland" rock was drilled in May 2013, so it's not exactly news. I think they did anounce about water then, as well as organics. But by "water" they mean water molecules locked inside minerals (such as clays), not the liquid water we'd all like to see on Mars.

So the only real news, from the horse's mouth (NASA and JPL), remains the detection of methane spikes.

We've known about the organics and the mineral-locked water for a while already :-p



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: lostbook
a reply to: ugmold

Why won't they stop beating around the bush and admit that life has been found.

Because water or organic molecules life. There is water and organic molecules is lots of places in the Solar system, including comets, asteroids, and various moons.
edit on 17-12-2014 by wildespace because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 12:17 AM
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Come and listen to a story about a Rover named Jed
A poor government employee, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the rock came a bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Martian tea.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 03:37 AM
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a reply to: wildespace

According to Yahoo:

. Mission scientists announced the discovery in a news conference today (Dec. 15) at the American Geophysical Union's convention in San Francisco


I saw something the other day that indicated NASA was making a big announcement of a new discovery by the Curiosity rover at the Geophysical Union's convention. So it's legitimate.

Here's are a couple NASA press releases:
NASA Rover Finds Active and Ancient Organic Chemistry on Mars
How NASA Curiosity Instrument Made First Detection of Organic Matter on Mars

There are also a couple of papers available discussing the water and Methane findings. And the actual press conference video is available on that page as well. Apparently the paper discussing the confirmation of the Martian organic compounds is to be published soon.


dex



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: DexterRiley

It is the sample from last year:
"The team spent over a year carefully analyzing the result, including conducting laboratory experiments with instruments and methods similar to SAM, to be sure that SAM could not be producing the amount of organic material detected."



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: funbox
a reply to: gort51

tooo little information , one sec .. ORGANIC MOLECULE ... begs another question ,,, was it alive or dead?

That would be a misleading question. Organic molecules do not necessarily mean life, neither current life nor past life. Organic molecules can exist without life (even "dead" life) being a factor at all.

So if you ask "was it dead or alive", you would be begging a question that is not necessarily an accurate question to ask. If someone answered "dead", then that connotes the idea that it was something that was once alive, but then died -- and that may be a false idea.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: DexterRiley
a reply to: wildespace

According to Yahoo:

. Mission scientists announced the discovery in a news conference today (Dec. 15) at the American Geophysical Union's convention in San Francisco

But it wasn't the discovery of water. Headlines can be misleading.

As I have mentioned earlier, mineral-locked water was found a while ago; this current news is about the organics and the mesurements of the hydrogen isotope ratios from the said water molecules, which helps explain how Mars lost its atmosphere and liquid water.

Bottom line, this is not a discovery of water on Mars.

More details at the UMSF forum: www.unmannedspaceflight.com...




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