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originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: Sahabi
2) Yahweh did not create. In Genesis 2, different words are used in relation to Adam. Adam is formed. The garden is planted, then restricted. Adam's blood was shed (lamb shed / only son) to divide the image. Eve was the weaker vessel and easier to tempt. Satan / Snake was made by Yahweh as a cunning deceiver. Follow the intent of Yahweh and your presuppositions must again change.
According to Genesis 16:3, Hagar was indeed Abraham's wife: "So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife (אֵֽשֶׁת־) took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife (לְאִשָּֽׁה׃)." In the above verse, Strong's Concordance gives word #802 נָשִׁים (ishshah) as the meaning for both words (wife) referring to Sarai and Hagar. According to this verse, isn't Hagar a legitimate wife of Abraham?
Were you and some others get off track is in your total rejection to the point in time where The Almighty comes out by His personal name Yahweh. Missing that you miss all His other communications over the years to the prophets.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: yuppa
ALso Ishmail if you go by definition was a bastard,but to be fair so were some on the hebrew side too.
To be fair, Horus and Jesus were both bastards as well. How does that fit into the Ishmael mythology?
Sarah did not have faith that God was going to bless their marriage with a child. If she would have just chilled out and not DECEIVED Abram into sin, than maybe ISIS wouldn't exist. (Ishmael's descendants)
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Sahabi
These were given as types. Ishmael represents the child of the flesh, the natural man. This is also Esau (who was 'hated' God does to literally hate people, but this is an allegory), who's other name is Edom, which is the exact word Adam. It means red, ruddy, earth, blood... these are all speaking of the flesh. The older son was always the heir in those days. Esau vs. Jacob, Ishmael vs. Isaac, Cain vs. Able.
[Gal 4:22-31 KJV] 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, [thou] barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Leah is the same story, the veiled bride hiding the truth. She represents the veil of flesh. Or the Carnal Mind
Carnal=Flesh it the same word which is Sarx in Greek
[Rom 8:7 KJV] 7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. The law of God is not the Law of Moses the Servant but the Law of the Spirit
2 Cor 2: But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their mind
A selection of Flesh vs. Spirit
[Jhn 3:6 KJV] 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[Jhn 6:63 KJV] 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
[Rom 8:5 KJV] 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[Gal 3:3 KJV] 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Here is the contrast between:
the natural=Adam/Edom/Esau/Ishmael/Hagar/Literal Jerusalem/Law of Moses
the Spiritual=Christ/Israel/Jacob/Isaac/Sarah/Heavenly Jerusalem/Law of Spirit-Christ
[1Co 15:21-22, 42-53 KJV] 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. ... 42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven. 48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
The kingdom of this world vs the kingdom of heaven
[Rom 8:7 KJV] 7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
originally posted by: yuppa
the ten commandments do not apply to NT covenant . .
originally posted by: ToneDeaf
We are ALL chosen
lest none of us would be here.
BTW, Sabbath day of rest was meant for ALL PEOPLE too,
( Gods words)
Then why is it that jews continue to manipulate others into breaking
this commandment ! ? example :
God did NOT say to manipulate others.
. . . . but then, the devil never listens.
Just really curious on where Horus was when the Red Sea took out his entire fleet.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: ToneDeaf
The topic has been researched quite well and im pretty sure what im talking about.
The nations ARE deceived as stated in Revelation. Christ is the Son of God.
1) Yahweh is not God. He is running from God and trying to subvert the will of God.
When you read God and the Spirit of God, it is properly translated Elohim and Ruach Elohim. From this, your presuppositions must then change about Yahweh.
2) Yahweh did not create. Follow the intent of Yahweh and your presuppositions must again change.
3) In Genesis 9, Elohim (Father) told Yahweh this:
6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.
Who shed the first blood? Yahweh.
Again, we return to our own presuppositions. I just told you a very different story than the one you think you know.
Based on this, we can see every fallen character arising from the shedding of Adam's blood. Why? Yahweh divided the image, thereby causing the fall of man.
By this, mankind is free from Yahweh. The image can be restored
All of what you know about Yahweh as Lord can be summed up in the knowledge of the Demiurge.
Who goes to hell in the end?