Russia to Retaliate Against the US Over Sanctions, Troops and Warheads Ready

a reply to: Xcathdra

Of course he laughed about something which came from...

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a reply to: victor7

I'm not so sure that nukes are all what Russia's got in their bag of tricks. Though that's true the nuclear arsenal isn't sufficient for each bloc to enforce deterrence, as "MAD" no longer works how it did.

They got damn good hackers and spies too. I'm not sure if that massive computer trojan recently found through the US energy infrastructure was for real, but stuff like this can be a very good argument to mess up the US. Russia has got one major advantage that the US/NATO doesn't: the moral order.

Even outside of Russia there's lotsa people who at least agree with what Putin says on the current global situation, yet I can't think of anyone beyond paid agent and crazies who still can love people like Obama, McCain, Cameron and Merkel and see them as "enlightened leaders".
Most people even in their apathy know how gruesome, despotic and sick Western corporate governments have become, and they won't fight for their completely corrupt States... That's a postulate that even the shills here are completely unable to deny with a straight face. I've even read DoD documents admitting to this. Unless through reinstating the draft (which would have a massive potential to backfire), they can only go for an high-tech, devastating war to end all wars.

The US has lost the war already, I think. Because it has lost all of its legitimacy to its people. Its democracy is a all-out failure. Now it's all about power-grabbing everything while they still can, without a real vision of a world that people would wanna live and die for.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: lostbook

blah blah blah.

Just do it already
Russia is starting to look like a north korea on steroids.
bite me.

War is not something a spartan society shys away from. They would fare better just being more resonable than us.
So very not impressed or concerned.

You should be concerned, Russia is on the verge of complete collapse, internal turmoil, and has the west, particularly the USA to blame.

With a categorically insane leader feeling isolated, desperate and very angry... Anything is possible... Anything!

Just like the first cold war, the Ukraine-Russia disagreement may be manufactured, to distract us from focusing on our super-hyper-corrupt plutocratic government. Most of the world is fake, reality is too disturbing for the powers that be.

a reply to: Echtelion

No it really did not happen that way. Both houses agreed to the bill in a conference committee. A last minute change in the senate required the last vote. That vote was to allow anyone who had issues with the change to object to it. Since the original bill passed both chambers with the exception of the last minute change, a new vote was not required.

Nothing was fundamentally changed and the bill was passed unanimously in both houses.

If you guys are going to bitch and make claims maybe you should know what you are talking about.

a reply to: ausername

The only person to blame for Russias problems in Putin and no one else.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Apparently there was enough of a possibility for the question to be asked.

a reply to: ausername

What makes you so sure you own your brain, and that your views are *yours*, and not a copy/paste from CNN, the BBC or any other damn major Western outlet?

Which other dictator than Obama has the authority to order the murder any US citizen on this planet, or put them under unlimited detention in the US? Given the millions of people held in a still-functioning prison-for-profit system in the US, that means something.

You're just trolling for attention aren't ya?

a reply to: ausername

Yet it seemed so much worse when the Soviet Union fell for having antiquated leaders and an archaic structure to society. What ever the reason, until leadership is actually taken from the former heads of the soviet union who then later became the very oligarchs themselves....all will play out as it always has. Russia hasnt really changed in terms of power. The same resulting collapse will always happen until those people are not in charge. The fact that current stress is all over reclaiming an old satellite territory says it all.

Most conflicts with the east are OLD issues that spite made immortal. China with Japan is yet another current example of idiotic archaic retards running countries with a personal vested interest in face out of delusions of breeding.

Until that changes they cant compete. They are stuck in a loop. Progress will never lean in their favor for very long because their vision of progress never worked before and it will not magically work all of a sudden.

Russia was in a position to befriend and empower everyone in the vicinity. To make mutual prosperity and good times of abundance for all .....and more importantly Russia could have become a center for such a type world. They chose to force their way to their goals like always. Thats a limited skill set doing the talking.

China for example could have just sat down and negotiated with Japan over any issues with maritime boundaries or island territories that are currently disputed between the two.....They could get along and develop mutually beneficial relationships out of the timeless nature of good and fair business between two separate entities. But no. Because of reasons....

The US could even do with improvement of self and business partners when it comes to oil. There is enough of this sentiment to go around.

The old mind must die. These people need to lose power everywhere. This worlds leadership is everything that didnt work before. OR, at least nothing of what will work in the future.

I am not concerned. This is either the "bad" we have already seen, or it is a shot at our potential "good".

Either way I say just do it already. We are not impressed or scared.

a reply to: Echtelion

To clarify -

The courts have already ruled citizens cannot be held under the NDAA.

a reply to: tadaman

Russia was in a position to befriend and empower everyone in the vicinity. To make mutual prosperity and good times of abundance for all .....and more importantly Russia could have become a center for such a type world. They chose to force their way to their goals like always. Thats a limited skill set doing the talking.

$200B of aid and gas discounts given to Ukraine since 1991 was a gesture and generosity not seen in this world from any country to other in the recent times.

Even that was not enough??????????

There is a saying that "feed the serpent as much and much more, but after it all, the serpent will still find a reason to bite you".

Ukraine is lucky that someone like Stalin is not in Kremlin.............and I would leave it at that.

a reply to: victor7

Maybe people are not beyond human nature. Perhaps what you say is true. BUT the Ukraine never sold out and joined NATO for example. That was not enough either?

The Ukraine is unto itself rightful and just by seeking self manifest destiny and its own dealings with fate.

Nothing is owed. Nothing was ventured. 200 billion is the price of having a loyal trade partner. There is no price for true freedom and self determination.

IMO the Ukraine has been too loyal to the past. What is happening now is testament to that. Russia still takes some things for granted. Time will tell I guess. Russia will change or fall again, and again, and again.

originally posted by: Iwinder
No need for levitation when you have ICBM'S and boomer subs is there?
Regards, Iwinder

A nuclear strike is not an invasion. Do you need a dictionary?

originally posted by: ausername

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: lostbook

blah blah blah.

Just do it already
Russia is starting to look like a north korea on steroids.
bite me.

War is not something a spartan society shys away from. They would fare better just being more resonable than us.
So very not impressed or concerned.

You should be concerned, Russia is on the verge of complete collapse, internal turmoil, and has the west, particularly the USA to blame.

With a categorically insane leader feeling isolated, desperate and very angry... Anything is possible... Anything!

That's the worrisome part to me........

a reply to: Xcathdra

All sovereign nations have a right to determine their own affairs, contrary to the popular belief that Russia can still dictate to former SSR's.

Tell that to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran...........

originally posted by: Flatcoat


Tell that to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran...........

Outside of Russias defeat in Afghan [Why were they there in the first place?] and earlier support of Iraq [Where did all those Russian made tanks, cannons, Jets, SCUDS, BMPs etc etc etc come from again?] before Saddam flipped flopped towards the West.

Old Man Gaddafi and his buddy Assad's father were not known for their combined humanitarian activities towards those they didn't like. Finally, Iran is responsible [just like everyone else in the world] for their own activities. Covert or Overt makes no difference.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Granted, but does that give the US the right to bomb them back into the stone age?

a reply to: Flatcoat

Granted, but does that give the US the right to bomb them back into the stone age?

As much right as Russia has to tell Ukraine who they do business with.

a reply to: Flatcoat

When has the US or Allies [Allies which often act on their own but the US get's blamed ] Have bombed Iran or Syria back to the stone age?


Also and more importantly...

How does pointing out the fact that those countries you've mentioned are not as white as the driven snow mean I meant it's ok to bomb them back to the stone age anyways?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Flatcoat

Granted, but does that give the US the right to bomb them back into the stone age?

As much right as Russia has to tell Ukraine who they do business with.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where Russia dropped a heaping load of "Shock and Awe" on Kiev. Chalk and cheese mate.